Scarlet Cleaner Shrimp/Reproduction
3/5/09
Hello all of the WWM crew,
<Hello Eli>
first off allow
me to say what an absolutely amazing site you have going here and that it has
been an invaluable asset to me and I'm sure many others in the past! And i
<Please cap "i's" in future queries.>
have two pretty short questions for you
that I would appreciate your input on. I currently have a 30 gallon reef setup
water parameters are perfect, there are about 35-40 lbs of LR and the
inhabitants include 2 Scarlet Cleaner Shrimp and 1 Coral Beauty. Now <i>
recently added the two cleaners at the same time and <i> know that when they are
in a group of two that one will usually change sex to become the mate of the
other so I just wanted to know if u <you> could give me a time frame of how long
that would take and when I could start seeing some shrimp babies around my tank
to help feed my Coral Beauty? Also I wanted to know if there were any
Butterflyfishes that would be suitable for the environment I have running. It
would be the last addition to that aquarium aside from more shrimp or hermits.
Thanks in advance for any help u <you> give me.
<Lysmata amboinensis (Scarlet
Cleaner Shrimp) are hermaphroditic spawners and all members of a mature group
produce eggs which are fertilized by another egg producing member within the
group. They do not change sex. As far as when to expect eggs, will all depend on
water quality and nutrition.
Upon spawning, you will observe light green
colored eggs in the finlets situated below the carapace of Cleaner Shrimp. In
regards to keeping a butterfly fish, your tank is too small for successfully
keeping one.
Do read here.
http://www.breedersregistry.org/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm>
Best
regards to an outstanding site!
<Thank you. James (Salty Dog)>
Eli
Gender differentiation data on Lysmata
shrimp 7/14/08
Dear Bob,
<Peter>
While reading some
articles on your excellent web site (which I do quite often) I came upon a
section discussing Cleaner Shrimp. Specifically:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/shrimp/cleaner.htm
I
happened to notice your statement regarding the keeping of more than one
specimen in a tank as follows: "...the only ones I’d personally try in more than
a "pair" (best as a male and female) are L. amboinensis and L. grabhami in a 75
gallon system.
Are you aware that L. amboinensis and L. grabhami are
simultaneously hermaphroditic?
<Mmm, yes. Stated more clearly in the FAQs re
Cleaner Shrimps: http://wetwebmedia.com/clrshrpreprofaqs.htm>
There is no
male or female in this species and any of these shrimp can be fertilized by any
other. Perhaps I have just misunderstood what you are saying and this is well
known to you. If so, I apologize. However, if this is contrary to your belief
you can find much on this topic in many marine biology publications. If you
would like to see some web links (of varying credibility), here they are
http://www.breedersregistry.org/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
http://www.theaquariumwiki.com/Lysmata_amboinensis
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~rtb6933/shrimp/hermaph.html
http://striweb.si.edu/publications/PDFs/2007_Baeza_Reitz_Collin.pdf
http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/dao/v73/n1/p73-76/
Again, I compliment you
on your excellent web site and hope that my information may be of use
Sincerely,
Peter Honig
<Thank you for this well-thought out/researched
input. Will post. Bob Fenner>
Peppermint Shrimp and Friend ID Question - 6/21/08 Hi Wet Web
Media crew! <Hi there, Allison!> I've searched the site and
not come up with an ID for my shrimp larvae. <Sorry about that!>
I have Peppermint shrimp and have been attempting to follow April
Kirkendall book "How to raise and train your Peppermint shrimp."
<Neat! Are you going to get a teeny little whip, like on the cover?
Hehee!> So far I get about two weeks and they die, I think I need
to be more vigorous with my water quality. <Here are a few links
that may help:
http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1275&sid=8c4815b2daa467d53cbb2d1dc1f476b0
http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=85
http://w3.dsi.uanl.mx/publicaciones/maricultura/vi/pdf/A18.pdf >
Well, my question about shrimp ID.... Last night I watched my shrimp
scoot across the tank and shoot out her babies, <Wheeeee!>
..there were multiple birthing mothers at the same time, got to see
one molt and breed, very cool. There were three molts and literally
thousands of shrimp, but there were two kinds! <Surprise!>
The following photos (I hope you can see them) <I’m sorry to say
that I can only see the difference in size.> ..are 1st of the
Peppermint shrimp by themselves, the middle picture shows both kinds
so you can see the size difference, and the last picture shows my
mystery shrimp by themselves. I have 7 Peppermint shrimp in my tank,
I had 5 I ordered online and then my husband went to our LFS for the
others and they looked a little different, but I can't really see
remarkable differences to tell them apart. <Indeed, the Lysmata
species commonly called Peppermint shrimp are very similar in
appearance. The differences can be small/not obvious at all.>
Could some be Lysmata wurdemanni and some L. rathbunae? <Could
be, but apparently Lysmata rathbunae tends to live in deeper waters,
so what you have is more likely one of several other very similar
shallow water species from the western Atlantic. For more
information see the following paper. There’s an in depth discussion
of new species and detailed information/drawings of each:
http://decapoda.nhm.org/pdfs/27306/27306.pdf > How do we tell
these apart? <See above link.> Wouldn't the larvae look more
similar? <I would have thought so.> Could they be Mysis?
<They could be, but adult Mysids are much larger than hours old
Peppermint/Lysmata larvae and look like this:
http://limnology.wisc.edu/personnel/ojensen/mysis.jpeg> I saw one
website that had two pictures (of Lysmata rathbunae and L.
wurdemanni) and they looked identical, but one (L.R) had a yellow
mass toward its cephalothorax <I’ve seen that as well on the
French site. The apparent "mass" is located on top, in the middle. I
believe that it's the shrimp’s stomach but I’m not sure. It’s
important to note that the appearance is completely different from
the yellowish masses you occasionally see on the *sides* of Lysmata
shrimps. These are instead parasitic isopods called Bophyrids and
clearly stick out away from the side of the body as a lump. See this
link for more photos/info:
http://www.qualitymarineusa.com/article.asp?page=feature&id=968EF63B-2D1D-469A-847A-8E8541B12BE4
> (it was hard to read, it was in French and I'm really rusty on
that!). <I feel your pain. I’ve seen a couple of those links and
have had to seriously tax my brain to recall enough French to get
by!> I looked at your
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimpidfaqs.htm page and can't seem to
figure this out... Anyhow, any idea on the babies would be helpful.
<Here are a couple of links with different species of Lysmata larvae
shown:
http://www.meerwasserlarven.de/garnelen/lysmata_rathbunae_engl.htm
http://www.meerwasserlarven.de/garnelen/lysmata_bogessi_engl.htm >
Can I raise the two types together or should I remove the USOs?
<As long as they’re not Mysids, and the shrimp are closely related
species, I’d think that it would be okay to keep them together. It
would make an interesting study. However, if you find out that you
do in fact have two different species, you might want to keep them
separate to prevent any interbreeding. Here are some helpful links:
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=494
http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1275&sid=8c4815b2daa467d53cbb2d1dc1f476b0
> http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=85 >
Thanks so much for all you do to make this hobby easier! Allison
<It’s a real pleasure. Take care and good luck with your little
shrimp babies! –Lynn> |
2002-2008, A Neo-con Odyssey... RMF
|
MY PEPPERMINT SHRIMP HAD BABIES 04/05/2008
Hello Crew
<<Hello,
Andrew today>>
So COOL!.... I like to turn on my blue light late at
night to see what is moving around after all the regulars are asleep. I
saw what I took at first to
be snow but then when I looked closer
they moved you can see the tail and tiny legs moving around. they are
about 1mil and hang tail up in the water when they are not actively
swimming. Looks like some are tiny to small to see detail just moving
purposefully and others big enough to see they resemble my shrimp 2 of
which had full bellies prior. I have a 65 gal salt reef tank set up in
Aug of 07 with 60lbs live rock and 2inch of live sand. I have had very
little problems with my tank when I set up. I currently have 3
peppermint shrimp (had since almost day 1) lots of hermit crabs (lost
track) snails, med brittle star, 2 emerald crabs, a few mushroom polyps,
small frogspawn a few zoos.
1 goldstripe maroon clown, coral beauty,
6 line wrasse, 2 blue chromis, 2 small yellow damsels, and a mandarin
goby.
I partially just wanted to say WOW so COOL. BUT I also wanted
to know if there was anyway I could keep some of these babies alive
before they become food. I was thinking of setting up a hasty baby tank
if they can last until I can pick up a tiny mesh net. But then what do I
feed them is it possible to keep some of them.. Whatya think??
<<There is the possibility it could be baby shrimp, could also be pods
too. Either way, left in the tank with your stock, they will become
food. To rear shrimp, all moved to another tank would be needed and fed
once per day on very finely ground food, low flow>>
Lisa
<<Hope
this helps, thanks for the questions. A Nixon>>
Blood Shrimp Babies! Raising Lysmata debelius – 2/14/08
Hi crew,
<Happy Valentine’s, Lex!>
I was just feeding my starfish before I
turned the lights off and "bam" my Blood Shrimp has just given birth to
a 1000 babies (give or take).
<Neat thing to see, isn’t it!>
I
managed to capture a dismal few before they were all consumed and have
them floating in a cup at the top of the tank. Question is, how can I
raise them? <See below.> I read on your site to give them some crushed
flake food, but is that it?
<Nope, there’s much more to it.>
Do I
have any chance of rearing them to maturity?
<It can be quite a
challenge, but with proper food and care, yes!>
If so, how long for
them to reach about an inch so they wont be eaten?
<I’m not sure, but
I would imagine many months. It generally takes 6-8 weeks just to
metamorphose out of the larval stage, at which point, they're still very
small and vulnerable. I have some links for you to read that will
explain the entire process much better than I can! Please note that some
articles relate to other shrimp species within the same genus (Lysmata).
Although they might be different species, the basic care/rearing should
be very similar.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2004/breeder.htm
http://www.breedersregistry.org/database/LYSDEB01.htm
http://www.breedersregistry.org/lamboinensis.htm
http://www.reefs.org/library/article/r_toonen10.html
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-10/nftt/index.php
I would also
highly recommend WWM’s Cleaner Shrimp Reproduction FAQ’s (as well as the
highlighted links at the top of the page):
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hipshrprepro.htm >
Cheers
Lex
<Best
of luck to you and your little shrimp offspring! Take care, -Lynn>
Raising Lysmata debelius larvae - 12/18/07
Hello,
<Hi there!>
I have scanned the net as well as WWM archives for info on Lysmata
debelius larvae. I have roughly fifty from what I can see to count. Eye
stalks and pink coloration are present as are rapid flicking movements.
<Neat.>
Currently the larvae are hovering just above the sand bed. It
would be difficult to remove them. I realize the survival rate is almost
nil, but is there the possibility of assisted survival?
<Yes, there
is, and I’ve got some links that will explain it much more thoroughly
than I can! The first covers both L. amboinensis and L. debelius. The
second relates solely to L. amboinensis, but will likely have some
helpful information since the two species are so similar.
http://www.ifmn.net/nachzuchten/garnelen_l_amboinensis_debelius.html
http://www.breedersregistry.org/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm >
Thank you so much for your time!
<You’re very welcome and good luck
with the kiddos! –Lynn>
Lone L. amboinensis With Eggs????? Yep. – 06/07/07
Hello
Crew,
<Hi Debbie, Mich here.>
I have had this one shrimp since
around February... all by itself in my ten gallon. How can it be
carrying eggs?
<Will produce eggs if conditions are favorable, but
the eggs won't be fertile.>
That's my first question. Second
question: Being a small tank my main concern is water quality once those
eggs are released. There are no fish. Would sun corals sense the larval
shrimp, open and feed?
<Likely so.>
It's a 10 gallon tank with
Xenia and Briareum, attached is a 6 gallon refugium with Chaeto. (My sun
corals are in another tank but could easily be moved in here if the
larval shrimp would benefit them.)
<Yes, they would likely enjoy the
treat.>
Thanks,
<Welcome! Mich>
(A confused...) Debbie
L. amboinensis with eggs... afterthought – 06/07/07
Hello,
<Hi
Debbie, Mich here again.>
Sorry for the extra email.
<No
worries.>
Are they difficult to raise?
<Mmm, not necessarily.>
I will do research on the internet on raising shrimp but can you
recommend any books for reading on that subject?
<There is a book by
April Kirkendoll titled "How To Raise & Train Your Peppermint Shrimp"
which you may find helpful. Also see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clrshrpreprofaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/shrimp/cleaner.htm
>
Thank you again,
<Welcome!>
Regards,
Debbie
Re: Sinularia hlth., repro., Lysmata repro. 4/14/07
Hello
Bob,
Thank you for your timely response. I have been doing weekly
water exchanges of 35 - 40 gallons until the new filter gets in (the
tank is 90 gallons). The water parameters are great, and there is
nothing irritating the coral that I know of. I have seen no predators in
the aquarium, nor any signs of predators. The fish that are in the tank
leave it alone, that's why I was leaning towards asexual reproduction.
It seems that the tissue turns white around the area that will break
off, then polyps disappear (in the white area) and the tip that is
breaking away from the colony stays colored up and full of polyps. I
have been measuring the area every day and will continue to keep an eye
on it, I will also try to get a good photo, but its hard to where the
coral is placed. I suppose just watching it to see what happens is about
all there is to do in this situation?
<Mmm, that or moving it>
Also, do you know the time period that "Cleaner shrimp" Lysmata sp?
carry their young for, or how long the young take to become free
swimming / roaming?
<Temperature dependent to a degree, but overall
reproduction can be about weekly under "good" conditions...>
I
believe that is the correct spelling, if not I apologize.
Thank you
for your time and consideration as always, and take care my friend.
Brian Crenshaw
<Will do. BobF>
Breeding Lysmata [Cleaner
Shrimp]
Dear Bob,
<<not Bob, but JasonC - Bob is away diving>>
I have several pairs of Lysmata debelius shrimps. I have been trying to
get them to mate for a couple of months. they constantly molt and are
old enough to mate (3.5-4cm length). conditions are constant.. temp at
27 degrees Celsius, salinity at 34-35ppt. they feed an grow and have
shown no major signs of being stressed. however they have not been
producing any eggs, which they would carry under their tail. I have
added a filter of 1000 micron to the water flowing through my system to
catch any larvae if they are produced and have not found anything.
should I just be patient or is something not right? how influential is
light to reproduction of these shrimps? at present they are under
natural light, near a window.
<<I'm afraid I don't have any
experience with these. My quick guess would be that many of the shrimps
need a more salt-marsh/lagoon/tidal pond-type environment to
successfully breed. I would likewise guess that the light does have
influence... is that the only light on the tank? If I were you, I would
pose this same question on the WWM forum which is patrolled by many
knowledgeable, friendly folk - and someone just might have done this.
http://talk.wetwebfotos.com/ >>
thanks, Avinash Singh
<<Best of
luck in this endeavor. Cheers, J -- >>
Website address change
(Note: chg on Shrimp, Lysmata pgs)
Hello,
Your link to my
webpage, "How To Raise & Train Your Peppermint Shrimp" (listed under
Business--Publications) has an old URL. The new address is
www.lysmatapublishing.com. The old address redirects you to the new URL
for now, but it will soon be a "broken link".
Thanks for your time,
A. Kirkendoll
<Thank you for the update. Will change. Bob Fenner>
Breeding Shrimp
We have a pair of Lysmata amboinensis in our
tank, the large of the 2 has been in there for about a year now - the
2nd one we added about 4 months ago, and is a little smaller than the
other. A few days ago - the larger one appeared to have lots of little
green "eggs"
(for lack of another term) in the swimmerets under the
backside.
<No better term needed, in this case, that is what they
are, fertilized eggs.>
It was interesting - we saw her (assuming)
perched on a piece of live rock, "playing" with them, she had the
swimmerets tilted out, and it was almost like she was moving the "eggs"
around. Well, this morning - the other shrimp has em now. They both do!
<Yes, they are hermaphroditic, both able to function as both sexes
simultaneously.>
The interesting thing is that this morning, we
caught the larger one almost chasing the smaller one - going at the
smaller one with her pinchers. In fact, she got the smaller one in the
tail, and the smaller one jumped and some of the little things came out
of the swimmeret's.
<Now that sounds kind of strange.>
Are they
eggs, and if so - can we do anything with them? Bill Yazji
<I can
give you a couple of leads if you wish to pursue raising the babies. The
Summer 2002 issue of SeaScope, a free newsletter from Aquarium Systems
that comes out quarterly, has a related article on breeding Lysmata
rathbunae. Also, check out the Breeder's Registry, an online source for
captive rearing information. -Steven Pro>
Breeding Shrimp II
I would be interested in attempting to raise them. Is it something very
difficult?
<I would not describe the process as easy, but it could be
worth the effort.>
I had attempted to view the Breeders Registry, but
the link wasn't working for me.
<It did not work for me, either.
Perhaps a problem with the server this evening. I did find a few online
articles with a quick search.
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/SeaScope/v11_sumr/shrimp.htm
Thanks - as usual! ~Bill
<Good luck! -Steven Pro>
Raising
Cleaner Shrimp Babies
Dear crew:
I have just collected the
larvae of my cleaner shrimp on a net. I don't know what to do with them.
It is a pity to watch them get "filtered out from my overflow. Right
now, I have them in my net in the main aquarium, with no fish, since the
tank is fallowing. Is there anyway to successfully culture little
cleaner shrimp? What do I need to feed them? And do they need a separate
tank to raise them? Were there any successful breeding trials? Please
tell me what to do!
<It must be that time of year or something. We
have received a question about spawning cleaner shrimp everyday for the
past several days. Please take a look here
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm?
Sincerely, Eric
<Have a nice day! -Steven Pro>
Shrimp Follow
Up and Pods
Hello again! Thank you! My fish and crabs will
probably eat whatever eggs these shrimp deposit, eh? Caviar to the
salties!
<Them and your corals, too. Excellent food for all!>
Another quick question, do 'pods come in all colors, or just gray?
<I
have seen mostly tan to gray.>
I have some REALLY big black ones,
twice the size of the gray.
<Interesting, could you send us a
picture?>
They love the filter pads and my refugium. I'm not sure
what eats them (in my tank), but I have tons. Here's the fish list, one
of each: bi-color blenny, Foxface, engineer goby, blue/yellow tail
damsel, maroon gold bar clown, Firefish, and the junior angel
(Pomacanthus). None are mentioned to eat these "bugs" in my books.
<Actually, they will all eat some.>
Should I get a mandarin to eat
them, or just leave the 'pods?
<I would leave them. They and their
spawn are excellent food for fish and corals as well as having the added
benefit of consuming a fair amount of algae, detritus, uneaten food,
etc.>
Thanks once again, your patience is outstanding! -Cathy in
Texas <><
<Have a lovely day! -Steven Pro>
Cleaner Shrimp
Howdy!
<Hi Cathy! How's it going down there?>
Just yesterday (I
think) there was a question regarding Cleaner Shrimp on the Daily FAQ
page - now I can't find it. The reason I am looking for articles - I
have two Lysmata amboinensis (cleaner shrimp with white markings on the
tail) - and both are carrying green matter in the lower part of the tail
and that look like the tiniest of green dots.
<These are eggs.>
Does this mean I have two females?
<It means you have two males and
two females, but only two shrimp total. Confusing? You should try being
the shrimp. They are hermaphroditic.>
They have been carrying these
"dots" for about two weeks - maybe it is something else?
<No, it is a
textbook description of eggs. They should change color to an orange/red
in a few days.>
I've tried using the google search for WWM, but
nothing about this shows up. At first, I thought this was because I had
a green algae bloom in my tank, and they ate the algae. But the bloom is
gone, and the green remains. Any ideas, help would be appreciated! If a
picture is needed, I can get one :-)
Cathy in Texas <><
<The
article I referenced on the Daily page is here
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
Chat with you later! -Steven Pro>
Breeding Peppermint Shrimp
Greetings and salutations everyone:
Around 11:00 last night I was
giving my reef tank one last check and noticed one of the Peppermint
Shrimp was acting rather erratic. So I turned on my blue actinic light
to make a closer observation, just in time to see one of them giving
birth to hundreds of tiny Peppermints. What a beautiful sight.
<wow... how wonderful!>
Is there any way to ensure any survivals?
<absolutely. It is somewhat tedious to rear the larva but very possible
and done by many aquarists. Some articles have been written on the
subject like here:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-10/nftt/
Thee is also a
new book written on the subject for interested aquarists just like you:
http://www.lysmatapublishing.com/shrimp.html >
I think my LPS
corals had a feast last night because I do not see any left this
morning.
>indeed...very good food. Many aquarists keep breeding
peppermint shrimp in fishless refugiums for this purpose>
I also have
noticed quite a few of white semi-transparent larva's around 1/8" long
with a large mouth and a dual tail on the other end sliding around on
the glass. Does this sound like some kind of Nudibranch? They seem to
be multiplying rather rapidly, should this be a concern?
<hard to
say without an ID or image>
I've also noticed several small brittle
stars (around 1/2 inch in length) hanging around in the live rock. Do
they pose any threat?
<nope... very beneficial filter feeders and
detritivores>
Besides the obvious physical beauty of our underwater
ecosystems, don't you find it truly inspiring that life always just
seems to "find a way"? What a tribute to our creator!
<remarkable by
any definition :) >
My Tube Anemone is growing a little too fast and
its tentacles were getting too close to my candy coral.
<wow...
I'm not thrilled about such an aggressive anemone in a tank with coral
or other anemones... I'd remove it to a species tank for proper feeding
any way (without polluting coral tank or starving anemone in the long
run>
The Candy Coral has not been a happy camper lately (nitrates got
a little high the other day, .40 PPM, so I quickly made several water
changes and things are already looking a lot better). I relocated the
Candy Coral on the sand. Is this an acceptable location?
<perhaps
not... they cannot purge sand easily and may suffer if sprinkled or
buried. Its an unnatural place for this coral>
I wasn't sure it would
be happy there as I am rapidly running out of space since all of this is
going on in a 5 gallon nano reef.
<oh, my heavens! Brother, please
remove that tube anemone from this tank ASAP or pull all else to a reef.
There are serious issues here with chemical warfare on your coral beyond
issues of actual contact>
I've read your information regarding the
feeding of corals and it was very informative. I purchased some DT's
Phytoplankton to supplement the Corals (one Euphyllia, one Candy, one
Hammer, one leather tree coral and assorted button polyps).
<hmmm.... only the leather tree coral eats (perhaps) a little
phytoplankton. None of the other corals here feed much if at all on
phyto. They are zooplankton feeders. I suspect that the only thing your
phyto is feeding is nitrate levels>
If I feed according to
directions, that would be 1/3 tsp in 5 gallons every other day. Will
this amount increase my nitrates or should I just be concerned with the
freshness of the phytoplankton?
<a fine food but inappropriate for
these corals>
More along the line of twice a week sounds more
reasonable given the size of my tank. Can you recommend a product for
zooplankton that is equally fresh, besides using a refugium?
<indeed the refugium is best, frozen Cyclop-eeze would be a fine runner
up (hard to find though... an Argent product), fresh hatched baby brine
is good after that (less than 9 hours old). After that, minced meaty
foods (Gammarus PE Mysis shrimp, Pacifica plankton)>
I have been also
feeding a frozen food rich in Kill and Sponge but, again, am concerned
with nitrates (is twice a week on this one also acceptable?).
<way
too little food for the LPS corals and definitely not enough for the
tube anemone>
Please don't suggest an upgrade in equipment, we are in
the process of adopting two otherwise homeless children and at this time
any upgrades just is not in the budget.
<no worries bud... but I must
say that you need to remove the anemone or the corals for both to have a
chance at surviving long term>
Nitrates are my big concern,
<in
such a small tank, a weekly water change of 2-3 gallons should make it
all go away nicely>
but I still want to give the corals everything
they need and still keep nitrates as low as possible, considering the
size of my system. I try to keep Nitrates around .10 PPM, which is
quite a challenge and still feed everything.
You guys perform a great
service and I can't thank you enough for your assistance. I called the
LPS where I bought the coral frags and all I got was "I am too
busy". How sad for them. I think they're missing out in the real
meaning in all of this.
<agreed. You'll do fine here my friend if you
are simply realistic about the limitations of the tank and what is
humanely possible. With kind regards, Anthony>
Pregnant cleaner
shrimp 3/14/03
Good morning, well I realized that I have a
pregnant Cleaner Shrimp, I would like to some how isolate her to keep
some of the babies.
<Interesting tidbit about cleaner shrimp... your
"she" is actually is an "it". While most shrimp have separate sexes...
cleaners are hermaphrodites... thus any two can breed successfully
together>
Is it possible??
<challenging but possible... the move
to an isolation tank was helpful>
what should I buy? I saw a breeding
unit online- Let me know Thanks, Athena
<successful rearing really
cannot be summed up in an e-mail. Let me suggest you buy and read a book
on a similar species: "How To Raise & Train Your Peppermint Shrimp --
April Kirkendoll. Its available from Amazon.com and many other places.
The rearing tips will be quite similar. Also, do a keyword search on
this topic on a search engine for find specific articles perhaps on this
species... alas, we do not have one on WWM. General info on the group
can be found here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/shrimp/cleaner.htm
Best regards, Anthony>
Hello again (shrimp culture)
I
just posted this on your chat forum but thought that you may have
further insight :)
<Perhaps. Let's see>
Hi All fist post here I
have been Harassing Bob and JasonC for a while now so I thought that
maybe my fellow hobbyists could take a stab at this one.
Here are the
usual specs. My Reef tank is 30 gallons, with a new 130gallon tank being
delivered tomorrow. The inhabitants are, A Ocellaris, A Frenatus,
Banggai Cardinal, Pajama Cardinal and a Scooter Blenny. All are well.
There are the usual assortment of hermit crabs, snails and I seem to
have colonies of feather dusters cropping up on the rocks all over the
place. I also have a Pulsing Xenia and 2 Peppermint Shrimp and 1 CBS.
I do daily calcium additions and weeks Iodine drops. The shrimp molt
every month and are growing quite large. Hence the new tank as you say
larger is better.
Tonight at feeding time the larger of the two
Peppermint Shrimp came out and her swimmerets are encrusted with eggs.
So now the quandary I am setting up the new tank tomorrow and within the
next few days planning on moving all of the live rock, sand and
inhabitants to their new environs. Do you think I should leave the
Mother Peppermint in there and allow her eggs to hatch. What do you
think would be the success rate if there were a moved to the larger tank
or left where they are?
<The "success" rate in terms of hatching,
grow out? Not much in either. Please read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimp.htm
the shrimp articles, FAQs files
beyond. Much more to the effective culture of these animals. Bob Fenner>
The Emperor bio wheel is staying, but the protein skimmer and powerheads
are going. Need advice :) Cheers, Julian Hunt
Lysmata debelius
-fire shrimp larvae
Hi Everyone.
Well thanks to your advice I
have finally got pairs of fire shrimp to breed and produce few larvae.
however so far I have got so few larvae- less than 10 .. not good.
<Actually, not bad... took the folks at TMC a good many tries,
dollars/Pounds to get this far>
I have had a look at a latest molt
and have seen that there are hundreds of unhatched eggs present on them.
the eggs are at their last development stage.. the eyes being clearly
visible. I don't really know what went wrong... the larvae that are
there are healthy but too few to work with....
<Could be infertile
eggs, not enough viable sperm/atophore, some aspect of water
chemistry...>
(Fire shrimp adults naturally release the larvae into
the water and then go on to molt)-- something went wrong here. I'm not
certain if physical factor or may be nutrition maybe the key.. but how
did the other larvae survive?
Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks, Avinash Singh
USP
Fiji islands.
<Bob
Fenner>
Pregnant Cleaner Shrimp
Mr. Fenner
We just
noticed hundreds of eggs on the legs of one of our cleaner shrimps last
night. Can we purchase something from our LPS to try to save these eggs
from being eaten by our other stock and if so what are the chances of
actually getting some that live through the whole process.
Much to
relate... I would read over the Breeder's Registry here, and Tropic
Marine Centre's accounts of their successful culture of Lysmata
amboinensis (and even L. debelius)... their URL's on the WetWebMedia
Links pages>
Does this mean that the pregnant one is female and the
other male, or can both sexes have babies? Do you have info on your
website about this? We really want to try to breed them if we can, but
we have no idea how far she is and when they will hatch as we just
observed her "fanning" these eggs all night last night. It was the
oddest thing to see and we were both very excited. Also, my ammonia is 0
but my fish still keep waking up with ich and then it disappears within
the first 10 minutes of feeding and does not show back up until either
8:30pm or when they wake up in the morning, any ideas (our ammonia was
at .50 a few days ago, but have done many water changes to get it down
to zero, we were over feeding.
<Study my friend. Bob Fenner>
Re: Pregnant Cleaner Shrimp
Mr. Fenner
My LPS has a little net
type thing to put the shrimp in, is this cruel to lock her in a net (I
haven't seen it yet, so I don't know what it looks like.
<Not just
cruel, but won't work...>
Also (I haven't looked at your link yet but
I intend to), do I put both male and female shrimp in net as the male
has been heavily guarding her and chasing away anyone that comes near.
And do I remove them once the eggs hatch? Are there books we can buy on
this? Or will our attempts be futile due to the other tank inhabitants(6
fish, crabs, peppermint shrimps and snails)
<All this answered where
you were sent... Bob Fenner>
Cleaner shrimp
I have a 40
gal. tank and 2 weeks ago I noticed a lot of white stuff in my tank. I
finally figured out that they were baby cleaner shrimp... of course they
got eaten. I have purchased a small tank within a tank that has a small
net around it so the shrimp can't get through. How often do shrimp have
babies (fry) and how could I try to keep them alive if I'm around when
they hatch?
<Mmm, please read over all the shrimp materials posted on
WetWebMedia.com's marine index... and follow the links to the Breeder's
Registry on the Net... and possibly read over the success of Tropic
Marine Centre in rearing a few species of Lysmata spp.>
someone told
me to have" marine snow plankton diet" to feed them.
<No. This
product is worse than worthless>
Can they stay in the same tank as my
other fish in that small net tank?
<No>
I have a 5 gal. tank I
could set-up with a sponge filter, which I would just use water from my
main tank, since it would be cycled...I could add some sand and or live
rock. Is it possible to keep them alive?
<Yes... have been
cultured... do need separate tank... As I say, read through what there
is known... on the net. Will give you a firm understanding of what's
involved. Bob Fenner>
Thanks for the info... and " Merry Christmas !"
Cheryl
Questions (impulsive cleaner shrimp culturist?)
Will other fish eat Cleaner Shrimp eggs?
<Of a certainty yes; many if
not most fishes will>
If so, how should I go about keeping that from
happening?
<Mmm, if you're involved in culturing shrimp, keep them in
a separate system>
How many cleaner shrimp should I put in a 55
gallon tank? Assuming that I have some hermits and a coral banded shrimp
in there?
<... could or should? Coral Banded Shrimp, Stenopus
hispidus are cleaners... Please read the Marine Shrimp sections here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimp.htm
and the linked articles and
FAQs files. Bob Fenner>
Re: questions (impulsive cleaner shrimp
culturist?)
Do you have any suggestions on what types of coral I
should combine in a tank? Like so many hard to so many soft?
For the
aquarium floor, what type of types of live sand should I use? As well
as for live rock....how much live rock and live sand would you recommend
for a 55 gallon tank? What types of fish should I NOT have in my tank if
I have Cleaner Shrimp?
<You would do well to invest your money and
time into one or more general marine aquarium books. Much cheaper, less
destructive to your spare time, budget and the environment, then this
approach. Please peruse, read over the site: WetWebMedia.com
Bob
Fenner>
Inter-breeding of cleaner shrimp
Bob,
I was
wondering if species of Lysmata shrimp can/have breed among their
different species.
<Not as far as I'm aware. But do check with the
Breeder's Registry site... link on WetWebMedia.com if you can't find it>
I have two cleaner shrimp that were both sold as common skunk cleaners.
One appears to be ever so slightly darker in color and has a solid white
line on the edges of it's tail and the other has two white dots on each
edge of it's tail. I therefore assume I have a Lysmata Grabhami (the
solid white lines on the edge) and a L. Amboinensis (the dots). Other
than the tail markings and the slight shade of color difference they are
the same.
<These do get sold as one, the other quite commonly>
Both have been in my tank now for many months. They eat well, regularly
clean the yellow tang and even my hands when I reach in the tank.
Within the last month I noticed that both have many eggs stored
underneath their tails. The L. Grabhami's eggs are a lime green color,
and the other shrimps eggs are a clear color and look like salt and
pepper under the shrimp. As far as I can tell they have been there for
4-5 weeks. (or they have bred multiple times)
<Ah...>
Is it
possible they are both the same species with different markings, or is
it not uncommon for these two different shrimp to breed with each other?
<Mmm, these are likely two females... do spawn w/o males present...
can/do store sperm packets... or the eggs may be infertile>
Also, do
you know if the different colors of the eggs means anything? I don't
know how long it takes for them to hatch, but I'm assuming they will
just be consumed by the fish as a treat or caught up in the
filters/powerheads.
Thank you for your help and your great site!
Kris, PA
<Mmm, do read through the Net here re Lysmata... and BR.
Much there re these species. Bob Fenner>
Sexing peppermint
shrimp
Dear Bob;
recently one of two peppermint shrimp in my
reef tank died in a tragic powerhead accident. This pair of shrimp have
reproduced in my tank and I would like to replace the dead shrimp but I
don't know what sex it was. I saved the carcass. Is it possible to
easily identify the sex of a peppermint shrimp? I was unaware of any
pairing when I bought the two. Thanks, Doug
<Can be sexed like the
ever tasty local Panulirus... modified uropods and fifth pair of legs on
the males as you know...>
P.S. Great book. Your text along with Ron
and the boys at Octopus Gardens got me hooked on reef aquariums. I've
learned a ton over the last two years. I graduated from SDSU in 1972
with a BS in Zoology so we probably had some classes together. Glad to
see that someone retained all of that info. I've read about MASLAC and
it sounds like a very informed, active group. Is there anything similar
around San Diego? Thanks again for your help.
<Yes, and have sent
this msg. to our fearless leader (he works for the local futility,
SDG&E...) Maurice, so, am sure he'll be contacting you as well. See you
here and there, your fellow alma mater, Bob Fenner>
Lysmata
wurdemanni
Hi there
We here in SA are trying to get e few of
these specimens into our Country,
All other types of Shrimp gets
imported but for some reason not this one .. if it does it
disappears so fast it's mind boggling.
<Eaten by other livestock?>
Now 3 of us are keen on trying to breed this shrimp but we need the
shrimp to begin with, so I was hopping that you may be of help to
us.
If you can could you please contact me ASAP. Thanks in
advance, Jaco
<Believe I can be of service here. Please contact,
have your suppliers contact Tropic-Marine Centre in the UK re this
species (they breed it and L. debelius, and have had great success with
other shrimp, invertebrates... fishes...), and read over the husbandry,
production notes posted on the "Breeders Registry" (the link posted on
the www.WetWebMedia.com links pages) for a few people's telling of how
they've kept, bred this species. Bob Fenner>
Lysmata debelius
Hi. I am writing from the University of the South Pacific (USP), located
in the Fiji Islands. I am about to begin my Masters Program on Shrimp
aquaculture and was hoping to work on Lysmata debelius. Part of my
funding is being provided by Walt Smith International, an Aquarium Goods
exporter and they are also very keen at aiding work on this species.
<I know Walt... we are old friends, well, middle-aged friends>
At USP
we do not have very sophisticated equipment to carryout many large
projects. however we are developing our lab systems and we have great
access to the natural coral reefs and relatively untouched ecosystems to
study. we have access to seawater of good quality, are developing new
equipment and hence can carry out some good experiments.
<Hmm, you
may want to contact friends at TMC who have bred, reared Helmut's shrimp
through all cycles... their address, a review of their business can be
found on our site: www.WetWebMedia.com>
I have obtained some
information on this species. However more information is required by
myself before I can begin. I was hoping that you could provide me with
more information regarding the reproductive biology and feeding
behaviour of these shrimps - or of any contacts of people who could
provide me with this information. Thanking you in advance, Avinash
Singh.
<Have Walt contact me, or you can contact Derek Thompson et
crew through me... at TMC. Bob Fenner>
Cleaner Shrimp with Eggs
I have a question about my cleaner shrimp. I have had this cleaner
shrimp from the first moment I set up my 125 reef about a year ago. I
have noticed
that it has some white/green dots on the under side of
its tail that has never been there before. To tell the truth they
looks like eggs but here is the situation. I have no other cleaner
shrimps in my tank. The only other shrimp is a fire shrimp which I
have had for about 6 months. My questions are: 1) Could the
cleaner shrimp and fire shrimp mated?
2) If not, could the dots be
eggs? 3) If not, what are they? Thanks, Kris
<<Well, I'd bet the dots
you're seeing under the Cleaner Shrimp are eggs, but even if the Cleaner
is a Lysmata genus member and ditto for the Fire (Lysmata debelius),
there probably is not a cross-species mating going on... Lone Shrimp
females can/do lay eggs on their own, and they're sterile. If you're
interested, you might want to try introducing a male of the species;
otherwise the solo one will be fine. Bob Fenner>>
Strange
cleaner shrimp phenomenon
Hi Bob,
I purchased 2 cleaner shrimp
from ffexpress about 5 months ago. Now about 3 weeks ago, I
noticed that one of them had a bunch of egg-like shapes forming in
it's belly. I was surprised but heard that these shrimp did in
fact breed in captivity. The 2 shrimp had never hung out together and
always stayed on opposite ends of my 75 gallon reef setup. Now
they were together and seemed more like a couple. Now here's the
clincher. About 5 days ago, I
noticed that now BOTH shrimp had this
"belly full of eggs". I haven't heard that these shrimp were
hermaphroditic. Is this possible? Have you ever heard anything
remotely like this? What should I do to try to save the babies, or
is this impossible? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a lot, -Jay
PS - I'm a big fan of your daily Q&A...keep up the great work!
<<Hmm,
do take a look at this URL:
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
An article by friend/author Joyce Wilkerson on Lysmata...
Yes they
are hermaphroditic cross spawners... much can/needs to be done...
particularly provision of a grow out facility and food production...
read the article and if you have further questions... ring me. Bob
Fenner>>
Eggs
I have a cleaner shrimp (Lysmata
amboinensis) that is holding eggs. This is the only shrimp in the tank.
I read that they are hermaphrodites. Is it possible that the eggs
are fertile. Could you please give me any information that would be
helpful in rearing the young. Thank you, Connie Wehler
<<Hmm,
interesting topic... Well... Lysmata spp. shrimps are hermaphroditic
(both functional sexes in one individual), but they are "synchronous"
versus simultaneous hermaphrodites... that is sequentially males turning
into females. And don't think they can/do self-fertilize... but, this is
where the whole situation may make sense yet, these animals can store a
"sperm packet" from mating some months back... Otherwise, these eggs may
prove to be infertile...
You might want to consider adding a
small(er) individual or even more... if your system size will
accommodate them... Bob Fenner>>
Cleaner shrimp question
I have three cleaner shrimp. Two of them spend all of their time
together.
Recently, I noticed on the underside of the tail, there
appears to be many egg looking "things". These "things" are a light
yellow in color, and cover the entire underside of the tail. Lately,
this particular shrimp seems to always hide in the rocks except when
it's feeding time. I am not at all worried about this but, I was
wondering if you could explain what's going on or if there is anything
that I should be doing. Thank you for your time.
<<Does sound like
your Cleaner Shrimp is "berried", that is, carrying eggs... You might
want to start at the www.breedersregistry.com reading about the genus
Lysmata... if you'd like to know more. Bob Fenner>>
Pacific
Cleaner Shrimp eggs
Bob,
I think my two Pacific Cleaner Shrimp
are carrying eggs in their swimmers (swimmerets?). Clusters of tiny
round eggs. Is this really what's going on? Can I expect any new
shrimp out of this?
<<Very likely are eggs, maybe some young you can
save... food culture, system preparation is necessary... take a look at
the articles stored on the genus Lysmata through
www.breedersregistry.com Bob Fenner>>
Cleaner Shrimp Mating
(4/29/04)
I have 2 cleaner shrimp in my tank and have just
noticed that one has a large sac on it's side, it actually looks like it
is filled with something...could it be eggs??? <Eggzactly. Lysmata
amboinensis are hermaphrodites and two of them will usually mate. The
other one will eventually have eggs too. These eggs & the resultant
larvae make great live food, so don't expect any baby shrimp. Steve
Allen.> Kelly Aiello
Baby shrimp and their little umbrellas
(04/06/03)
hello,
<Hello! Ananda here tonight...>
My first
question is- I am wondering if the cleaner shrimp carry eggs at a
certain time of the season or if this happens all year round?
<All
year round...>
I am going on my 4th pregnancy between 3 shrimp. It
seems so bizarre, but maybe this is normal- I'm not sure.
<It's
completely normal in a healthy tank. Cleaner shrimp are hermaphroditic,
so anytime you get two or more, you get baby shrimp -- which make
excellent food for the other stuff in your tank.>
second question-
there are tiny white little particles along the bottom of the glass
inside the tank and also on the furniture-it looks like lil' umbrellas??
<Those would be a type of feather duster. Very common in newish tanks,
and completely harmless. --Ananda>