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FAQs about Wet-Dry, Trickle Filter Pump Issues
Related Articles:
Trickle Filters, pt. 1 By Bob Goemans,
Physical Filtration,
Denitrification/Denitrifiers, Nitrates
and Marine Systems, Related FAQs:
Wet Dries 1, Wet Dries 2,
Wet-Dries 3, Wet Dries 4,
Selection, Set-Up,
Pumps, Plumbing Issues,
Bio-Balls FAQs, Bio-Ball, Wet-Dry
Media 2,Other Filter/Media/Elements
(other than bio-balls),
Modification/Conversion,
Operation/Maintenance/Repair...
Biological Filtration, Biofiltration
2, Fluidized Beds,
Ammonia, Nitrites,
Nitrates, Phosphates, Denitrification/Denitrifiers, |
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Wet-dry,
overflow, pump... how do it work altogether? 7/13/06
I currently own an Amiracle Wet Dry filter that sits by the side of my
75 gallon aquarium and takes up space. I unplugged it about a year ago
because every time I turned it on, I either had water that overflowed
the sump or that overflowed the aquarium. When I called the
manufacturer, they advised that if I installed the right return pump, I
should never have this problem, and they recommended that I purchase a
particular pump. However, the pump that they recommended had been
discontinued. What do you recommend? Murray Meeker <Mmm,
reading here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/overfloboxfaqs.htm and the linked
files above to gain a "good-enough" understanding of what you're up to
here. There needs to be a balance twixt the total volume of water
present and what is "in play" in terms of flow rate through the device/s
used to get water from the main tank and back... Not a guessing or blind
game of "who said what". Understand what you're doing, then act. Bob
Fenner> - Which Pump - Hi, I am running a Del Ray
125 wet dry filter. My tank is a 100 gal, Fish only. My question is what
size return Pump do I use. Will a Rio 3100 work or a 2500. <I'd go for
the larger pump, perhaps larger even than a Rio 3100.> The flow will
also go through a 12X Turbo Twist UV filter. <Would suggest that you
loop this through it's own pump... a flow rate of even the 2500 at full
bore won't kill much of anything in this unit.> I don't know what
will work the best. Please Help. <Cheers, J -- >
WET/DRY
Hello everyone! <Ughh...noon is too early to be awake> I want to
make this simple but enough info that you can help my particular
inquiry. I have a 90 gallon...with 100lbs. Of live rock. Crushed coral
substrate. 10 fish- royal Gramma, 2 ocellaris clowns, 1 flame hawk,
sailfin blenny, ruby-headed fairy wrasse, coral beauty, Red Sea purple
tang, hippo tang, mandarin. All doing very well. Beginning to stock with
very easy, hardy corals. That's all I have a desire to keep. Starburst
polyps doing great. <I'm assuming Tubastrea spp.? They need daily
feeding if so> Also have 10 gallon refugium. Indo-Pacific Sea Farms
has been a great help in stocking this with algae and critters. It has a
deep sand bed. First very fine then fine. About 4 inches. Algae are
Halimeda, Ulva, Gracilaria, Red kelp. My equipment consists of a
Turboflotor skimmer, UV, and a Tidepool wet dry. Which leads me to my
question... I bought Mr. Fenner¹s book (The Conscientious Marine
Aquarist) and was reading about filters. I am wondering about the
feasibility of SLOWLY taking out the bio balls and bio-wheel to avoid
future build up of nitrates. (I think this is why Mr. Fenner does not
think too highly of wet dry filtration for reefs). <You're correct.
The wet\dry in an aquarium likes yours is redundant, and can contribute
to high nitrates in the future, though with your DSB it may not be a
problem. If you plan on adding corals and no more fish, I would remove
it, but if you are going to have a heavily stocked mostly-FO tank, you
may consider leaving it> I would leave the pre-filter trays in place
of course and still use the sump, etc. My pump does 500 gallons per hour
and I have two rotating powerheads each doing another 270 gallons per
hour. My nitrate is zero....yes the tank is young....6 months. <I
would seriously up the water flow in your aquarium...possibly build a
manifold\closed loop...Anthony has written tons of good info about
manifolds on his forum @ Reef Central> I cycled my tank with live
rock and initially that nitrate just hung out at 30. But after much
patience it dropped after a couple of months to zero. I do regular
cleanings once a week of the substrate and 10% water change and clean
most all pre-filters. I am purchasing from IPSF the Surfzone Live Sand
Activator Plus. Would adding this each time I took out say, four
cell-pore media balls compensate enough that may tank would not go
through a mini-cycle? I certainly don¹t want to crash the aquarium, but
do want to try to get rid of these if possible. Surely not all my
bacteria are in that cell pore material and bio-wheel, right? <With
100lbs of live rock, you should be able to remove 1\4th of your media
per week. You're right, not all, and probably not even most, of the
nitrifying bacteria\organisms are living in your wet dry - most are
going to inhabit your live rock\sand. Monitor your water quality after
the removal, but I am betting you won't see any adverse effects> Oh,
and when I get that sand from IPSF, how long should I shut off that UV
while I wait for the good bacteria to find a home? <I wouldn't run a
UV sterilizer in a reef tank at all - but they're fine in FOWLR>
Thank you for your time put into this question. <You're welcome>
Sincerely, Renee' <M. Maddox> Re: Wet-Dry
modification, reef system set-up Hi. I took the information given
me and I appreciate it. Was wondering about that Biowheel. Yes, you said
1/4 of media a week removal....but that BioWheel is big......will it
cause a rise in levels? <Not likely... in an established system,
plenty of other biological filter media, organisms> And then water
will trickle through all the trays but then will it just splash down
where that BioWheel used to be? Will that be o.k.? <Should be>
Should I put some type of media in there? A sponge of some type? What
could you recommend? <You could, but it will have to be attended
to... rinsed, cleaned frequently... perhaps daily> And with hardy
corals, not very demanding, 1,040 GPH in my 90 is not enough? <Should
be> I understood that 10x [turnover] is sufficient. Yes of course
some do 20x, but there are corals that don't like it like that either.
<Yes> Without blowing everything away, I can pick spots of stronger
and lesser currents. Correct me if I'm wrong on this....do I need more
flow? Thanks. Renee <You should be fine... good to find your
understanding/realizing there are micro-habitats w/in systems. Bob
Fenner> Wet/Dry? Hello Mr. Fenner I have
recently been looking for a Wet/Dry Trickle filter for my 55 gal. reef
aquarium. I don't want anything with a built in skimmer or other fancy
equipment, since I already have most of that stuff that comes built in
on most filters. My favorite so far is the Amiracle SL-100. for around
$185.00. I had a lot of trouble finding good info. and prices on other
companies. Is it that there are so few models online, or are there only
3 or 4 companies that make trickle filters? Anyway, I was wondering if
you knew any better filters for around that price? Also, what kind of
Rio pump should I buy for the filter? <Thank you for writing, and so
well. There are actually dozens of companies that manufacture
wet-dry/trickle filters (many advertise in the hobby magazine
"Freshwater and Marine Aquarium"), and the one you list is a good
"premium" make/model... but I do encourage you to seek out the
possibility of making... your own sump (basically a chemically inert
"box" that holds water... and a few bulk-head/through-hull fittings) and
skip out on the wet-dry portion entirely... not necessary, and a cause
of many problems. Lastly (for this interchange), I would also caution
you about the Rio pump line... not a good gamble as too many burn out,
short... cause trouble... Not to despair about any of this "no, not
really, keep investigating" input here... do keep looking and planning.
Read over FAMA, visit the URL's listed in ads there, do read through our
website: Home Page for much much more, and, we'll be chatting, Bob
Fenner> W/D Hey Bob, I have made a couple of
alterations to the system I am going to run. I will still have the 72
Gallon tank, but I will have a SeaLife System Model 100 and a removable
protein skimmer. I am going to use a Magnum 350. Do you think that the
Magnum 350 is enough to push this filtration. <No... I would have/run
a separate dedicated pump of over-pressure and flow...> The Oceanic
tank has a overflow box built inside the tank. In my last email I asked
about any other power heads. Will I still need them if I am not using
any Coral or live rock. <IMO/E yes... you will want more
circulation, aeration> Or do you think I will need any. Please tell
me what you think I should do and if the stuff that I am going to
purchase is any good. Thank you so much for your time and consideration.
I greatly appreciate it. Thank You. D <Keep investigating till you
are satisfied you know enough. Only you can decide for yourself. Bob
Fenner> Re: W/D Hey Bob, I have written you early
today and I needed to make a correction in my questioning. I used the
word Magnum 350 and I was trying to say Mag Drive 350. I just thought I
would make that correction for you. Thanks, D <Oh, instead of the
canister filter from Bob Sherman this is a pump? Yes a good choice... no
need for other fluid-moving device. Bob Fenner>
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