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Need help with sick Ocellaris clown      6/23/17
Hi there,
I am new to your site as an e-mail questioner. I have read and utilized much of your "on site" advice in the past. Unfortunately this time I can't seem to find answers to my specific situation.
I have a 70 gallon plus refuge and sump FOWLR system. I run a protein skimmer. It is 6 years old. Salinity 1.023 per refractometer, Temp kept at 79.3 - 79.5 F., pH - 8.0, Ammonia - 0ppm, Nitrite - 0ppm, Nitrate at or below 5.0PPM. Oxygen by Salifert test usually around 8 mg/L but is low today probably as a result of using PraziPro. At 5-6 mg/L. I have removed the cup from the skimmer and am letting it run to try to add oxygen.
Tank community is 2 Chromis, 1 Damsel, 1 Dwarf Flame Angel, I wrasse, 1purple Firefish, 1 goby, a peppermint shrimp, two emerald crabs, several snails and a pair of black ocellaris clowns. No one is new and there is no bullying or territorialism going on. The female clown is large at 3 inches.
My issue is with my female clown. I have had her for 5 years with no problems. Three days ago she started acting lethargic and stopped eating.
I noticed both she and the dwarf angel had white stringy poo so I started a treatment of PraziPro thinking I may have gotten some kind of parasite in the tank.
<A "worm" type... you thought/think>
I find no other observable symptoms. She goes from hanging in her "tube" with her mate (see picture) to sitting in the bottom corner of the tank by her favorite fake anemone - sometimes she seems to be lying on her side up against the glass. When she does swim she is mostly vertical in the corner of the tank. These are not normal behaviors for her. She is still turning down all food - pellet, flake, frozen Mysis shrimp.
1. Am I right with thinking parasite?
<Mmm; not necessarily, no>
2. Any other possibilities?
<All sorts
; from there being nothing going on here. Amphiprionines are termed "Clowns" for more than their garish appearances. Their natural behavior includes all you've listed here>
3. How long can she go without eating before it is a real problem?
<A few weeks likely>
4. I have an isolation tank but hesitate to move her since it will cause added stress and I will have to also move her mate as he gets very stressed whenever she is away.
<I wouldn't move this fish... would "punt", and do a bit of a major clean up here... vacuum the substrate, change about a quarter of the water; move the decor>
5. If it is a parasite and PraziPro is working - how long before I should see some kind of improvement?
<Mmm; parasites includes a wide array of phyla; including "vermes" of many sorts, but also Protozoans, crustaceans, and more that PraziPro does not treat. IF you have a microscope, want to sample some of the feces, we could
go over what, if anything may be found. Otherwise, for shotgun treatments, some institutions, individuals try the vermifuge with the anti-protozoal (and moderately antimicrobial) Metronidazole. T'were these fish mine, I'd try some other foods of high palatability (e.g. Spectrum or Hikari pelleted), frozen/defrosted... perhaps a liquid vitamin, HUFA prep. added to the food and water... and be patient>
6. What symptoms would indicate she is worse?
<Increasing malaise, thinness>
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: Need help with sick Ocellaris clown      6/23/17

Bob -
<Ms. M>
As you said this is usually "normal" behavior for clowns but in this situation since I have had her a number of years - she is not acting normally. I will however take your advice and try to be patient.
<A virtue indeed.>
So many times it is too late to really have any effect once I start seeing symptoms. I have already done a substrate vacuum and water change. I hesitate to move a lot of the décor as it would upset many of the other residents ��. Good idea on the different food - I will do that right away. I have never used Metronidazole. Are you suggesting using it with the PraziPro?
<I would not continue to use either of these... more than a recommended regimen. Both are hard on fishes, the system. Better by far that they're administered via foods... Bob Fenner>

Re: Need help with sick Ocellaris clown     6/24/17
Good morning Bob,
<Hey Bette>
Just wanted to give you a follow-up. I'm betting there are quite a few times you give advice and never hear the outcome. I followed your advice to not give any further medication and just be PATIENT. This morning my clown is eating a bit and acting like herself - more clown-like. Looks like we weathered this bug- whatever it was.
Thanks again
<Ahh, tres bien. Thank you for the follow-up. BobF>

What happened? Myst. Clown Loss     5/9/17
Hi WWM Crew,
I told myself last time that I wasn’t going to email with any more questions for a while, but I truly am puzzled by what happened this weekend, so here I am again. It was time to add the first fish to my system. I set the system up at the end of February, and I put in the live rock the first week of March. Then Saturday I went and got my first fish—a clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris). I also got a cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis). I brought them home and acclimated them as usual: I float the bags in the tank they are going into for 15 to 30 minutes, then I slowly add a little tank water to the bag, and pour out a little water from the bag into a bucket until the ph, temp, and Spg are the same, then I release the animal into the tank. This took a couple of hours. In this case I put the clown and the shrimp directly into the DT. I didn’t quarantine the clown because he was to be the first fish in the tank. I figured if he had a problem I could catch him for treatment. I didn’t expect to have problems because he was a tank bred clown, and I have kept them before without issue.
He seemed OK during the acclimation and when I first put him in the tank he swam behind some of the live rock where he remained for the rest of the evening. I had the light out, so I couldn’t see him well but he was swimming in the current back there—kind of swimming in place with that “waggle” that clownfish do. The next morning when I got up and checked on him, he was sitting in the sand upright, but not swimming. He had found a place against the glass where the current wasn’t as strong and was just sitting there. This concerned me, but not terribly because I thought he might have selected this spot to sleep in—I’ve had tank bred clowns before that have slept in weird places. I had one that would sleep at the surface of the tank, up in a corner, just floating there on his side—he did that for several years. But when I looked more closely at this fish I noticed that he was breathing really hard. I’ve never seen a fish pump his gills that fast. I couldn’t do anything with him at this point because I had to leave. When I got back several hours later he was dead. He died sometime between 13 and 16 hours after I put him in the tank.
My first guess was that something was wrong with the water, but the shrimp was fine (and still as), as was everything else in the tank: two turbo snails, three blue leg hermit crabs, lots and lots of little snails and starfish from the live rock, and a Kenya tree coral that hitchhiked in on the liverock. All my water tests came up normal (see below). Do you have any ideas what could have killed this fish?
<Only guesses. Might well be this one fish had some sort of trauma, predisposing genetic issue...>
Is there a problem you can have with your water that would kill a fish that fast, but not inverts?
<There are several possibilities here; yes>
Could it have been “clownfish disease” with a tank raised clown?
<Doubtful... perhaps it ate an organism that didn't "agree with it". Happens>
Could it have been the acclimation?
<Did you measure ammonia in the shipping water? See WWM re Guerilla Acclimation (techniques); rarely issues w/ locally purchased, transported livestock though>
I live an hour and a half away from the LFS, so he was in the bag for three or four hours total counting travel time and acclimation. I put the bag in an insulated container for the trip home. This was never a problem before when I got fish for my old system several years ago. I thought of one other possibility. I had made a new Durso standpipe for the tank. The bulkhead is a slip bulkhead and the one I had kept slipping out every now and then due to the current from the circulation pumps. Anyway, I had made it with pvc cement the day before.
<Actually; there is no such thing as PVC "cement"; the process involves a solvent... Nothing left between the pipe, fittings... and a day is long enough to cure>
I gave it more than 32 hours to dry and rinsed it thoroughly with water. While the fish were acclimating, I installed it in the tank. Could there have been something left over from the PVC cement that harmed this fish? It would have to be something that didn’t harm the inverts.
<Agreed; and not this>
Anyway, while I am devastated to lose this fish, my biggest concern is for the next fish that I get. If this was just one of those anomaly loses that sometimes happens, that’s fine, but if it is something wrong with my water, I need to fix it.
<I would "chalk the loss up" to the former and try another specimen m'self>
Water test and tank information:
· 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon sump (90 to 95 gallons of water)
· 42 lb. live rock and 35 lb. of previously live rock
· Spg: between 1.024 and 1.025
· Ph: 8.1
· dH: 10
· Am: 0
· Nitrite: 0
· Nitrate: 0 (live rock is handling this thus far)
· Calcium: 400
· Temperature 78
Thanks for your patient help with me as I re-venture into this world again. I know I have bothered you all too often, but you have always patiently helped. Thank you.
<Never a bother. Thank you for writing Eddie. Bob Fenner>
Re: What happened?     5/9/17

Hi Bob,
<Hey Eddie>
Thanks for the lightening fast reply. I did check the ammonia in the shipping bags, but I forgot at first. I had mixed in a little bit of system water before I thought to do that. It was fairly early on though. It came out zero.
<Ahh; well; worth asking... Might be that a sudden shift in pH led to too much stress through "ammonia burn">
I don't think this was it. It was only a couple of hours before I started mixing the water in. Also I requested a bigger bag with more water in it because I had so far to travel.
<Ah, good>
I always tried to do this when getting fish in the past. Anyway, I will try again in a few weeks.
<Is what I would do too>
I was curious. You said that there are several possibilities for what could kill a fish that fast but not inverts. I know disease might be one. What are the others?
<Nitrogenous issues, low dissolved oxygen; thermal shock... There are several more. Bob Fenner>
Re: What happened?   Myst. Clownfish loss       5/12/17

Hi Bob,
<Hey Eddie>
I’ve been thinking about your reply for a couple of days ago, especially the possibility of low dissolved oxygen.
<A very common issue with aquariums, particularly marine tropical>
I don’t think that is what killed this fish, because he was the only one in there, but I do have a lot of confusion about dissolved oxygen and carbon dioxide and how it relates to ph and possibly temperature. I am concerned that I am not getting enough oxygen (or getting rid of enough carbon dioxide) to handle the eventual fish load that I will have in the tank—or I may just be confused.
<Can have too little O2 and/or too much CO2... the higher temp., less solubility and higher metabolism... In general, higher DO, higher pH, and the reverse for CO2, carbonic acid in solution>
Back in 2012, when I had my old tank, I had a very enlightening conversation with you about Ph that resulted in my reading all the Ph FAQs and learning a lot. In that tank I had high Nitrates (that I was blissful unaware of) holding the Ph down around 8.1. I came to understand that Ph is affected by the amount dKH, the amount of calcium and magnesium, the amount of nitrates, and also the amount of oxygen verses carbon dioxide. I know it’s way too simplistic, but how I kept it straight in my mind is that if you had dKH between 8 and 12, Calcium around 400 and magnesium in proportion, low Nitrates, and enough DO that your pH ought to come out around 8.3 or so. I realize, of course, that I may still be missing something.
<Mmm; you have a good grasp of the essential factors>
So now fast forward to my new tank. Ever since I set the tank up I’ve been trying to figure out why my PH stays around 8.0. Over the last 2 ½ months it has fluctuated from 7.9 to 8.1 (using two separate test kits—one brand new one). I have a dKH of 10 to 11 all the time. My Calcium has been at 400 or slightly higher. I don’t have any Nitrates yet (the live rock is taking care of them so far). The only thing in the tank during this time has been the live rock (and everything that came in with it), two snails and three blue leg hermit crabs that I put in the first week of April, and the cleaner shrimp that I put in with the fish on Saturday. So I concluded that I either wasn’t getting enough oxygen or getting rid of enough Carbon dioxide to get the Ph any higher. I proved this to myself the other night by taking a cup of tank water and aerating it for about 3 hours with a small air pump/stone. The PH was 8.2 or 3 when I was finished.
I was hoping to run my set up and some of the things I’ve tried by you to see if I am missing something. So here goes . . .
It is a 75 gallon tank, 30 gallon sump (90 to 95 gallons total) with a >1” sand bed 42lb of live rock and 35lb. of formerly live rock from the old tank. In the sump I have an Aqua C EV 180 skimmer running on a Mag 7. My return pump is a Mag 7. I have plumbed two pvc returns over the back—each with locline at the end. Initially I was getting around 325 to 335 total gph (after head loss). The loclines are positioned so that the return water breaks the surface some as it comes into the tank. In the tank I have twin circulation pumps run by a Wavemaker. The flow rate is adjustable from 175 to 2000 gph each. I have experimented with them several different ways. Right now I have them on opposite ends of the tank about four inches from the top set two notches below full blast with fairly short intervals. They are both pointed somewhat toward the surface and I have a fair amount of turbulence.
Much more and I would be nervous about it sloshing out. In fact this is why I had to make the new standpipe. The turbulence kept shaking the old one loose. I had them on full blast for a while, but a little lower in the tank and not pointed upward (again because I didn’t want any water sloshing out).
I have two drains with Durso standpipes—an inch drain and a ¾ inch drain (converted return on the 75 AGA). Both drop straight into the sump. The 30 gallon sump has three main sections. The first holds the skimmer (on a stand), the skimmer pump, and the heater. This section has all kinds of surface agitation/bubbles between the two drains and the skimmer return. Then, after a set of baffles with a bubble trap is the refugium. I was originally going to have a DSB in here, but I got too nervous because the sump was a used tank and I didn’t want to push it. I have less than an inch of sand in it now and am going to add a little crushed coral and live rock rubble and some small pieces of live rock to raise pods. I’m also going to add some macro algae to it when I find a store that carries it. I have a LED 15w Lights of America grow light suspended over it. For the last week I have been doing a reverse daylight lighting program with it. The last section of the sump holds the return pump.
Here are some things I have tried . . . I played around with the circulation pumps, but it didn’t make much difference. Opening the skimmer drain all the way seemed to help a little (I got a lot more turbulence in that part of the sump), but it also slowed down the skimmer production some (not that I’m getting a lot with a new tank without any fish anyway). I added an airstone with an air pump to the sump. I’ve tried several air pumps actually, and have the most powerful one that I have on it now. It was originally rated for 60 gallons, but it is old and may not be getting quite that much. None of this seemed to help much. I began to wonder if the problem is not aeration, but the inability of the carbon dioxide to escape.
Since setting the tank up I had glass panels on the top of the DT in the front half.
<This I was going to mention>
The back was open. I removed these the other day, but it didn’t help much (I intend to probably leave these off and make some lids for the front and back out of fiberglass window screen with eggcrate frames). This did help a little bit with my heat problem. I had had a hard time with the tank getting up above 79 degrees in the afternoon (I had it set on 78). I was concerned about this with summer coming on. Taking this glass off has helped with that. I have been able gradually to bring the temp down to the 77 range. I know decreasing temperature helps with capacity to hold oxygen. Does that mean that lower temperature would increase PH?
<To some extent; yes>
I think though that if there is a problem with not enough Carbon Dioxide out-gassing it is because of my stand cabinet arrangement. The stand is homemade. It is a frame made out of 2x4’s and 2x6’s with 1/4” Oak panels on the sides and doors on the front. The back (against the wall) is open. There is about a 1 1/2” gap between the stand and the wall where air can enter the inside of the cabinet. This is because I used a 2x4 as a mounting board between the stand and wall to leave room for my over the back return plumbing. When the cabinet doors are closed, this is the only way air can get in and out.
<Can you cut out some part of the door panels and insert some screening?>
Of course, most of my best aeration devices (the skimmer and the air pump) are inside the cabinet. One other thing that I did is I put a sheet of glass (23” x 9.5”) along the back of the sump as a shield for splashing from the drains & skimmer return. It is resting on the back lip of the sump, vertical on the long side, leaning against the drain tubes. Point is it blocks a good bit of the ventilation area at the back of the cabinet, but certainly not all of it. I’ve tried leaving the cabinet doors open overnight, and it seems to help a little—but I can’t leave them open all the time due to the noise of the pumps.
<May be time to trade these in...>
So I’m wondering if maybe the inside of the stand does not have enough access to good oxygen to get it into the water. My next step is going to be to remove the glass panel, but what after that? Should I put the air pump outside the cabinet?
<Worth trying>
Should I run some vinyl tubing from the skimmer’s air intake that goes out the back of the cabinet to fresher air? Would that mess up the skimmer’s performance?
<Worth trying again, and no>
Should I try a powerhead in the sump with a venturi tube running outside the stand? Do I need more algae growth in the system?
<Or an RDP lighting arrangement...>
I plan to get a dissolved oxygen test at some point, before I get too many fish, just to set my mind at ease. But if it tells me what I expect, how can I improve this situation. I thought setting this up that having a big protein skimmer would handle getting plenty of oxygen in the tank. That’s why I’m confused. I know I’m missing something here, but what?
I apologize for the length of this email. I didn’t intend to write such a lengthy discourse, but I wanted to describe the set up and everything I’ve tried. Thank you for your patience and all your help. Mere words are not enough to express my gratitude to you. Oh, and I hope you are having a great dive trip. I can’t wait to see the pictures!
<Am just out on the Big Island... in the water tomorrow. Cheers Eddie. BobF>

7 year old female clown holds mouth open and won't or can't eat.     5/1/17
I just noticed that the ridge on her back looks a little ragged compared to his. Here is another video and photo.
<This fish's mouth appears damaged... either from trauma or genetics. Not much you can do other than be patient and hope. Bob Fenner>
7 year old female clown holds mouth open and won't or can't eat.     5/1/17

> Here is a video and photo :

Re: 7 year old female clown holds mouth open and won't or can't eat.      6/5/17
Hi Bob,
<Hey Kell>
Our female clown went 6 weeks without eating, was at a tilt, and stayed just above the sand. We finally had her euthanized yesterday.
The male was not eating yesterday until I closed the lid of the tank. Then he ate some flake.
Today we moved him to our larger tank, where he lived 18 months ago. He seemed fine but isn't eating today.
Should we put him back in his original tank and feed again? Or is it likely that he's missing his partner of 6 years?
<I would leave this fish in the larger tank>
We don't know what would make him feel better either. We hate to get a young clown since this guy is 6+. We could get one though, I guess, but would it be likely to be a good thing? Or likely an unwelcome thing?
<Worth trying... I would likely do so. MUCH more interesting as a pair>
We've never had an anemone. Should we consider that for him?
<Mmm; best to have you read (extensively) re... IF you go this route, DO look for/secure a cloned specimen (likely an Entacmaea quadricolor/Bubble Anemone... MUCH more hardy, useful)>
He has no weird swollen mouth like she had.
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>

Mmm; yes... mouth, head (genetically?) deformed

Re: 7 year old female clown holds mouth open and won't or can't eat.       6/7/17
Our surviving clownfish, the male, has been swimming around the large tank (75 gal) running into the walls and not eating. When I put him back in his smaller tank (29 gal) he continued the same behavior. Just a few days ago
he could see well enough to see us look into the tank from above and he would come stick his head out at the top. Now he doesn't do that.
<Mmm; such blindness... often related to nutritional issues (most celebratedly a dearth of Vitamin B... see here on WWM: the search tool (on every page) w/ the string "clownfish blindness"
OR possibly in internal parasite...
OR genetic predisposition....
These are my best "guesses">
It really does seem that he is blind, and I'm thinking that our female, that we had euthanized on Friday, could have injured her mouth by running into things and we didn't realize that it was happening.
<Yes; but this fish's head, mouth are "warped" in any case... common with many captive produced Clowns>
Tonight we looked up blind clown fish and found some descriptions matching the behavior of ours.
In one post someone said it was caused by too much oxygen in the water but I don't know how much they really knew.
<I greatly discount this possibility>
One post I found had a reply from WetWebMedia that said possibly try a broad spectrum antibiotic and treat for parasites too. We tried Metronidazole on the female but it didn't clearly help her. If parasite treatment requires the fish to eat, we can't treat it.
<I'd go the Vitamins, Iodide and HUFA (directly applied to water) route (marine fishes et al. directly uptake); am partial to SeaChem's lines here>
Some posts mentioned a pop eye but we can't see his eyes very well.
<I doubt this cause as well>
Do you have any explanation or treatment for a blind clownfish?
<As above>
Should we isolate him?
<I would not; the cause here is "not catching">
Please help.
<Doing the best I can. Bob Fenner>
Re: 7 year old female clown holds mouth open and won't or can't eat.       6/7/17

Thanks Bob,
<Welcome Ms. Askins>
I want to let you know some new information that may be more than coincidental.
We added a scarlet skunk shrimp to the 29 gal tank that the clowns lived in a few months ago and it was after that the female began to have her symptoms.
Is it possible that the shrimp brought an infectious agent into that tank?
<Mmm; not likely related>
If so, it is now in our 75 gal tank and I want to know if an entire 75 gal tank can be treated, if ever needed, with antibiotics.
<Not likely ever... MOST antimicrobial treatments are of dubious utility treating aquariums period... lack of sensitivity, a few are notable detriment to nitrifiers... Should only be used in bare treatment systems; or orally (via foods) or injection....>

Regardless, I will get the vitamins.
<A good idea. Bob Fenner>

Clownfish treatment and Quarantine      12/14/16
Hi there,
I am going to be receiving 400 wild caught clownfish
<Mmm; can be real trouble... compared w/ cultured specimens
wild ones are not hardy; often die in droves>
and would like to know how we should pretreat them.
Should we just use Cupramine or use formalin as well and what is the appropriate procedure?
<... depends on their condition (and size to extent); but best not to use either of these... too toxic; and if the fish are compromised/weak, will likely hasten their demise. How do you intend to acclimate these fish on arrival? We can start there.
Bob Fenner>

Popeye on clown        9/29/16
Good morning! My clown injured her eye as she and her mate were doing the bump and rub.
<Good desc.>
I read on your site about doing a water change(done) and adding Epsom salts and wanted to verify the dosage of 1 tablespoon per 10 gallons.
<Yes; about right and safe...>
I have mushrooms and palm tree corals along with button polyps.
<Should work out for these as well. I will make the obligatory cautionary statement here re allelopathy and the need for regular maintenance to avoid triggering a cascade event>

The other fish are a yellow tang and 2 pajama cardinals. I will have to treat the whole tank (as trying to dislodge mama clown is like trying to reinvent the wheel) and wanted to make sure that the Epsom salts are safe for everyone. Thank you for your time,
Kellie Kyser
So Mote It Be
<Indeed. Bob Fenner>

Re: Popeye on clown        9/30/16
Mr. Fenner, thank you replying so quickly. In your honest opinion, should I just let her heal naturally. She shows no sign of any distress and her eye is clear. I have attached 2 photos. Truthfully, although I read about adding Epsom salts to the tank, I did not see any explanation as to why it would be beneficial other than speeding up the healing process.
<Mmm; as with human use... MgSO4 is a "muscle relaxant" and vasodilator... my thinking (okay, guessing) is that it allows more blood flow... aiding
repair in the highly vascularized areas esp., like fish eyes>
I prefer not to use chemicals and in the 6 years of this tank running, have only used a chemical, PraziPro, once and that was due to what was thought to be a parasite but turned out to be a streamer of algae on tangs barb. I highly valve <and value I hope!> your opinion on this and only want to do the best for my tanks' inhabitants.
<Mmm; seeing these pix; and if this fish, system were mine, I would hold off on actual treatment, salt use. As you've stated, with general good care, nutrition... this fish should heal of its own accord. BobF>
Thank you again,
Kellie Kyser
So Mote It Be
<Still moting?>

Re: Popeye on clown        9/30/16
Thank you sir and, as always, much appreciation for your knowledge and time. Have a wonderful day ��
Kellie Kyser
<And you Kel. B>
So Mote It Be

Re: Popeye on clown         10/7/16
Good morning! Good news! My female clowns' PopEye is completely gone. I wished to share with you the news of her recovery. Thank you for your insight on letting her heal naturally. Have a great day ?
So Mote It Be
<Thank you for this update Kel. Excelsior! Bob Fenner>

Ocellaris Clownfish - sick      9/13/16
I have an Ocellaris Clownfish that has stopped eating and swims at the top of the tank, (about floating) like he is dying but has been this way for weeks. He is not eating that I can see. His mouth is slightly open, gills moving more, and his rear fin is dissolving. No open wounds or anything else I can see. His tank mate is another Ocellaris. They were tank bred and I got them about 10 years ago. They've been very hardy. Same 30gal tank for that time.
No recent livestock additions. They are fed flake and I picked up some frozen brine shrimp to try to get him to eat but no luck. He seemed to get excited but didn't eat. They have eaten frozen before. I had a Six line Wrasse that died a couple of weeks back. This fish did have a slightly open mouth for a long time but still ate and acted normal. Not
sure if there is a connection there. Could the Clownfish just be at end of lifespan or could it be infection?
<Can't tell w/ the data, pix provided>
I'm surprised it's still alive in its present state. It seems blind and unresponsive to hand movement up to the glass. Occasionally it had swam with its tank mate like it was getting better but less now...haven't seen that in days. Makes me wonder if a fish could have dementia and forget how to eat (based on its age).
I'm attaching a couple of pics. Any idea what this could be?
Thanks, Phil
<Mmm; even w/ cropping and spiffing, can't make out much in your blurry pix. I'd try a few things here: Supplementing the water and foods w/ vitamins, HUFAs, Iodide (see SeaChem's line for all); placing a unit of Chemipure in the filter flow path... lowering the spg a few thousandths...
Please do keep us informed as to progress.
Bob Fenner>

Re: Ocellaris Clownfish - sick      9/13/16
Thanks for your help!
<Certainly welcome. Bob Fenner>

help identify please. 15 megs         4/30/16
Your email has been deleted. Read here:
Help Identify please. Clownfish hlth. diag.         4/30/16

So I got a clown on March 2nd. Quarantined for 3 weeks.
<Any prophylactic dip/bath?>
Placed him in my DT that has 1 Duncan, 1 plate, 3 mushrooms, three polyp frags and Kenya tree. Other livestock is peppermint shrimp, red legged hermit, blue legged hermit, and neon blue goby. April 3rd color on most rear black line began to fade. Started developing a whitish color on one side. I was away so my wife went to LFS and described it. They said it was brook and told her he would die soon. I got home Monday and he died last night (April 27...almost 4 weeks). My understanding is brook would've killed him long ago.
<Yes; highly likely so
So I'm hoping you could help with diagnosing it so I can Quarantine my goby and how long to leave the tank empty.
you'll see the "disease" or "parasite" or "infection" on his stripe...
Nitrate <5ppm
Nitrite 0
Phosphate 0
<Cnidarians need some measurable. See WWM re
Ammonia 0
Calcium 500
<Too high; see WWM re
DKH 11
PH 8.1-8.2
Thanks in advanced
<Read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clndisinfect.htm
Bob Fenner>

Help identifying disease     2/20/16
<Seven megs of junk pix... Why didn't our spam filter exclude this mail?>
Hi crew. I got back from a trip yesterday to notice this parasite on the clownfish and some on certain areas of the Naso tang.
My mom was taking care of the tank while I was gone. The only thing that I assume may be the culprit of the problem is the recent addition of a skunk cleaner shrimp a month ago.
<Sans quarantine...>
I am attaching a picture since I am not sure if it is ich or marine velvet. Thanks in advance for any help. Frank.
<Or, or, or... Likely Protozoan... READ here:
and the linked files above: ASAPractical! I would be dropping your spg stat! In order to save your fishes... You'll need to move either them or the invert.s elsewhere. You need to READ, and then ACT, NOW. Bob Fenner>

Re: Help identifying disease       2/21/16
Thanks for the response. I apologize for the size of the picture.
<Ah, welcome. BobF>

Platinum clownfish bruised      2/12/16
<Anas, why not crop your too-large images and just send pertinent data?>
Dear crew members
Just got my platinum clownfish pair tow weeks ago ,one of them developed 5 days ago a dark shade on one side of the body not red more like black violet ,a bloated belly for tow days without eating thought it's constipation, gone now but the shades still exist still not eating, all parameters are great except the nitrate a bit high,
<? How high is high?>

please check attached photo
Need help, thanks in advance
Best Regards
<Likely just stress, the NO3... Read on WWM:
and the linked files above. Oh yeah!
Bob Fenner>


Clown Fish; hlth.; env.        2/4/16
I’m wondering if you could help me?
<Will do my best; as always>
I’m new to this hobby. I have a newly cycled 65 gallon tank with live rock, one coral, some snales/hermit crabs and two new clown fish. Bought them a week and a half ago. My water tests are all good. PH 8.4, Ammonia 0, Nitrate and Nitrite are 0.
<No accumulated Nitrate? Odd>
I did have an issue with the gravity as I had a faulty hydrometer and had to lower it from 1.30 to 1.25. I noticed that my clown has been pooping a white stringy poop and recently I saw a white speck under his eye. He is swimming around and eating fine. Wondering if anyone can identify what it might be? I'm posting pics.
<Can't tell from your images or writing what is going on here. Could well be that the too-high spg is all that is causing the marks here. I would do nothing other than read for now. See WWM re Clownfish diseases>
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>

Re: Clown Fish       2/4/16
Thank you, actually when i came home today the mark was almost gone.
<Ah yes; good>
Thanks for your help
<Welcome. BobF>

Disease Identification: Black Clownfish       1/26/16
Hello, I recently noticed one of my black Clownfish has what appears something developing on its face. I've included a photo.
It appears to be discolored and a portion of it is raised. I have a concern it is a fungus or a parasite. Are you able to discern what it is from the image? What would your recommend?
<Mmm; well; this might be Uronema; other protozoan... or... I'd be sampling and looking under a microscope ahead of trying actual treatment/s. Bob Fenner>
Thanks so much for your insight.
Brent Wells

Sick GSM clown??     1/22/16
Hi, its been a long time since I've had to come here. Glad to see your <sic> all still around......So.... Tank, 90 gal, 20 gal sump. All water parameters are spot on, salinity at 1.023. Fish are 1 Picasso trigger, 1 Niger trigger, 1 porcupine puffer, 1 domino damsel, 1 GSM clown, 1 LT anemone, 1 coral banded shrimp and some turbo snails, all of them I have had for over
a year except the GSM.... The 2 triggers and puffer are around 3in each the GSM is about 2.5in. I just got the GSM about 2 weeks ago not sure if its wild or tr.
<The former... this fish was quarantined, treated ahead of placing?>
Just yesterday I notice his fins all have some black markings on them that I don't really remember seeing before and I'm seeing a little bit of white one them in some minor spots (see pic). She seems just fine, eats and swims fine but I would hate to lose her and just wondering if you might know the problem. I've searched all over and can't find anything about black fins on GSM. Thanks... Oh also on a side note the GSM and the CBS almost seem like there trying to mate. The GSM will back up to the CBS and just kinda nussle back into the CBS and the shrimp just kinda puts its arms around it, last night I did see them in the same position only the CBS had a light hold on one of the GSM fins and was kinda slowly walking her back to his cave. It was very gentle and the GSM didn't seem to mind at all.... Ever heard of this activity before?!?... Thanks again. I posted a gif on imgur if you would like to see the weirdness between the two.. the black on the fins don't stand out much in the pics but you can see the white it is definitely noticeable irl..
<I do see it, this. Might just be excessive mucus... but from? Getting to know the LTA? Harassment by? Perhaps Uronema; I'd be reading on WWM re the latter. Bob Fenner>

re: Sick GSM clown??     1/22/16
Thanks for your quick reply as always, I did quarantine the fish for about 8 days in a 30 gallon with the anemone. They were bought at the same time but were in different tanks, Iv never had a problem before from my lfs that's why the short quarantine and they were both doing great and looking great..... No one in the tanks messes with him at all (except the romance from CBS lol), actually the tank is very peaceful for an aggressive tank.... I have had a SW for over 18 years now and never even heard of Uronema and OMG I hope that's not it now that I've read a little and seen some pics.... I guess I should get them out now and back into the Qt.
<Maybe all will resolve on its own. Elsewise, I'd give a good long time (a couple mo.s) before buying another Amphiprionine. BobF>

Mystery Lesion on clownfish      1/20/16
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Robin T wrote: After reading the WetWebMedia site for several years, and today seeing your response to something similar on the side of a another clown, I thought you might be interested/have some insight on the lesion we are trying to resolve on my female clown .
<Yes; please>
In August I noticed a small red lump on her left "nostril". A flattened clear tissue soon developed on it but it all resolved within 2 weeks.
8 weeks ago the red lump reappeared in the exact same spot, followed by a clear bubble. She continued to eat and act normally but spawning behavior and egg laying ceased. I took pictures to my LFS and posted on 2 forums without results. 2 weeks ago the bubble grew large enough to alarm me. I moved her and her mate (since they have never been separated since they were purchased as juveniles in June 2012) into a 5 gallon hospital tank.
After the move the bubble disappeared (ruptured in the move?) but the lump remained. I did a complete round of Maracyn 2, then ran poly-filter and changed 50% of the water, and a day later started Furan 2. The bubble began to reform and during the last 2 days of treatment she refused all food. I changed their water and reacclimated them to the biocube water, then moved them back. Within a hour or so she began eating voraciously again. The lump now appears more ragged with pale areas when zooming in on pics.
She and her mate are the only fish in in biocube 29, along with a few snails. He has never shown any symptoms. There are soft and LPS corals (mainly Euphyllia). Nitrates run around 25 due to heavy feeding of a sun coral, despite running a Tunze skimmer, media basket with carbon & Purigen, changing filter media daily and 20% water changes weekly. All other
parameters are within normal ranges. Salinity 1.025. We feed mysis, Reef Frenzy and NLS pellets on a rotating basis, soaked in Selcon 2 to 3 times a week.
The first pic is from 3 weeks ago before treatments, the second from today.
Thank you in advance for any ideas or suggestions.
Robin Tingley
<Mmm; well; can't say where the initial "cause" lay here... perhaps a physical injury, maybe a bad-enough sting from the Euphyllia/s... and some sort of secondary infection (bacterial?) or a reaction event from w/in the fish itself. Your good care and poss. element/s of the treatment (the Furan is my guess) turned the balance to the host/fish.
Thank you for sharing. Bob Fenner>


Help please. Perc hlth. in a new sys.      6/27/15
I bought a tank raised percula 4 days ago it will eat very little but does eat and has been breathing rapidly since acclimation. It is the only fish in a newly cycled 30 gal tank I have 5 Ceriths 4 mass and 5 hermits. The tank has been cycled for 2 weeks with a pH8.2 amm 0 nitrite 0 nitrate
<You should be registering accumulated Nitrate>
0 SG
<Mmm; no>
1.025 and temp 80
<Lower this to the mid 70's F>
I have 20 lbs of live rock and a refugium with Chaeto.
What could be causing the rapid breathing. I've also got a pH aimed at the surface for added surface irritation.
<Agitation... Likely there are some chemical issues; yes, even though this system is cycled... I would add some activated carbon of quality to your circulation, lower the temp. and naught else here. Bob Fenner>

Fish 911 please help.... no data,, or use of WWM        4/30/15
<Six megs of pix and no reading? SEE/READ on WWM re clownfish Trauma. Bob Fenner>
I've had a clown fish for a day with a small abrasion that's turned into this in one day please respond to vinayXXXX@gmail.com

Strange Maroon Clownfish Death/Issues. Diag.; shooting in the dark        2/27/15
So long story short. I started my 90G tank in August of 2014, went through the normal cycle, added fishes, hooray for me I'm a hobbyist. Then a few months later, disease struck because of no QT, lost 3 fish and rehomed the other two to begin my fallow period.
Started a cycled QT at the same time and after that cycled, proudly put in two maroon clownfish that I was able to bond and they spent a happy six weeks in QT (only med was PraziPro). On Saturday I started TTM with them (backwards yes, but I planned copper originally and changed my mind). Monday morning I notice a little white film on top of the small one's head
and Tuesday morning he is dead. Monday night he looked fine so I thought. His breathing appeared a little rapid, but seemed normal like it had the last 6 weeks. Larger one was breathing a little slower but also what I had observed for 6 weeks.
Carcass showed nothing else on the outside. No film, tears, cuts, abrasions, rot, no nothing except a dead fish.
<... sampling, microscopic exam.? No>

Transferred the living one to the new bucket today and now she won't eat.
Breathing is appearing to be a bit quicker than last night. I'm using an airstone and pump rated for 10 gallon tanks and the water was made up over a week ago. Only thing added was ammo lock on day 2 and the next day they quit eating. No ammo lock was put in the second bucket.
After a day in that bucket, I saw she was getting worse. I took her out and put in her my DT as a last ditch effort to save her. That was Tuesday night and now here on Thursday she's making progress and is eating again.
Swimming better and breathing has slowed down but is fast. Here are some images and video. You can see some whitish stuff coming out of the gills.
It has lessened but is still there today.
<... poss. flukes; maybe just med. exposure.>

Night put in DT right after coming out of bucket.
24 hours later http://youtu.be/xxW5Xv-QhJc
<... the same, ditto...>
Buckets were temp, ph and sg matched. 76,8.2,1.024. Both were fine and healthy until I started TTM. Qt did have a cloudiness to it the last week they were in there, suspected bacterial bloom from over feedings. Qt was 37G but they spent all their time in one corner but were healthy. They were also not wild caught, but captive bred. The larger one had been at the fish store for 6 months and the smaller one for a month.
<Could've picked up something from other livestock there>
People on the forums are stumped as well as am I. Thanks for any help you can provide. I enjoy your site.
<The 'scope... reading, perhaps an e-copy of Ed Noga... Bob Fenner>


My clown has a hole in it. So does this relating        2/10/15
Over the last couple of days i noticed that one of my clowns (mocha ocellaris) is less active and mostly sticks to the patch of hair algae that hi picked as a host. When i was feeding the fish today i noticed that he ate very little. So i started watching him closer. I noticed that his left side has a dip in it in the middle white stripe. The dip has some small holes in it. The same clown had a similar thing happen before but there was no problems with appetite or any change in behavior. And he healed
completely without any interference on my part. This time I'm worried that he isn't eating and is not as active as normal. The previous time i did a large water change and that's it. But i just did a large water change about 3 weeks ago and all the parameters are still within norm. All the corals
<What species here?>

are blooming and there are no other sick animals in the tank. So the question is. What exactly is with my clown?
<A guess from the scant info. provided: It's been, being stung by one of the "corals"; or possibly chewed by a Bristleworm, crustacean hitchhiker... >

And what could possibly cause it if it isn't the water quality. And most importantly how do i cure him?
<Let's have you read; here:
Scroll down to Clownfishes; Disease... need better, more data. Bob Fenner>
Re: My clown has a hole in it.... Still not rdg., following directions Induced Cnid. Allelo. troubles
I got hammer head coral, zoos, mushrooms.
<Any of these...>
acropa, a green bubble tip anemone,
<... not a good idea to mix... READ on WWM re Actinarian/BTA allelopathy>
<... Oculinids... at the height of stinging-ness>

Acan. And one with one more that i don't remember what it is but it has about a hundred tentacles that come out and they newer get more than about an inch long so not allot
of reach. I got a bunch of dwarf hermit crabs and a strawberry crab.
<And these>

Stow aways are unlikely. All the rock i got in the tank is the same that i had from the beginning. I do have bristle worms but i haven't seen any large enough to take out that large of a chunk. And why would something nip it in the same spot with several month in between? But just incase That's a picture of the one coral i don't remember the name of.
<A Faviid of some sort>
Any other information that would help?
<READING... re the above... and where you were referred to prior. DON'T WRITE, READ. BobF>

Do you see what I see?

Quick Question     10/24/14
Hope all is well. I just bought your book a few months ago on sea anemones. Thank you as it as helped me in the health of my sea anemones.
They might have wasted away otherwise. Quick Dip question:
Purchased four aquacultured clownfish, Spotcinctus Clownfish, Slow dripped acclimated them and put them in a 40 gallon QT Tank. Question 1: From what I have read on WWM one of the posts states that Amphiprionines should not get a freshwater dip upon initially receiving them? Is this correct?
<Usually unnecessary; particularly with captive produced stock (shouldn't have any issues, parasites that such a procedure would help; but...>
If not they are already in the QT tank; what next steps should I take?
<Move to permanent display>
Should I freshwater dip (pH and temperature adjusted) to the main tank when
the QT period is over?
<Not UNLESS there's something obvious that calls for dip/bathing>
I have some Nitrofuracin green from NFP. Would this be a good preventative if I was supposed to freshwater dip (pH and temp adjusted) before putting in the QT?
<Mmm; no; not really. Not enough "gets inside" dipped fishes in such short durations>
I guess I am trying to understand if I made a mistake, and if I did what do I need to do to fix it.
<No worries Nick. Bob Fenner>
Part 2 of clownfish question     10/24/14

*Just an fyi I did read the below summary, and that's where I found the discrepancy on freshwater dips, and wanted to know about the Nitrofuracin green. Best,*
*Treatment: Prevention, as usual, is the rule.*
1) Pick out reasonable stock as detailed in the selection of this article.
2) Do a brief freshwater dip to remove some/most external grunge (a scientific term).
3) Quarantine your new stock if at all possible/practical with or without their anemone for a couple of weeks. Using a mild bacterial medication is suggested; Maracyn II (tm) is excellent.
<Erythromycin? Who wrote this? Can you give me the location of this citation?>
4) Introduce them to their new viable, permanent aquarium. After acclimation, add a "slime-coat" water conditioner.
Note: If you can't procure quarantine quarters, ask your retailer to hold your charges for you on deposit.
If you find yourself with clownfish with an apparent infection/infestation that seems to necessitate treatment:
1) Check and adjust your water quality. Most "disease" conditions of captive aquatic systems are a result of poor water or system quality. Do not just start pouring a therapeutic into your tank(s). Often, moving the
clown's to a different system effects a fast "cure".
2) After quickly doing whatever you can to "re-center" your system, consider further treatments in the following order of priority:
A) Biological: Add a symbiotic anemone if you don't have one or move the fish/es to a system with one. Add a cleaner; a suitable Labroides wrasse (if you can secure a "good one" that has survived the rigors of capture, movement, acclimation to captive conditions), or better a cleaner goby, cleaner shrimp; they work.
B) Physical: Lower your specific gravity. Even with most invertebrates, dropping the specific gravity a few thousandths per day to 1.018-1.019 will not do permanent damage and may shift the balance of favorable conditions to your fishes.
C) Chemicals: Last and least. Be careful. Clown fish are like "canaries in a cave". They tend to be sensitive to the same toxins as their host Actinarians (anemones). Copper, other metal salts, organic or metallic
dyes, furan compounds, and organophosphate pesticides all have deleterious to disastrous effects. These substances in various formulations, comprise most of the "medicine treatments" available and used in our aquatics interest. They do have some limited, appropriate applications in bare marine treatment tanks. 'Nuff said?
<Reads like summat (word order, use) I'd write>
These chemical therapeutics are dangerous and unnecessary with Clownfishes.
"Experiment" with them only as a last resort.
<Cheers, BobF>
Re: Part 2 of clown fish question    10/25/14

LOL you wrote it. Here is the link
<Well; just goes to show. From the ref.s looks like it was penned in the mid 90's. Don't know what I was thinking of re the Mardel product... Thank you. BobF>

A couple questions! Clownfish disease concerns bordering on.... Crypt, lumenal parasites?      8/5/14
Hi crew,
Long time fan, I really appreciate all that you guys do around here. Please excuse me if these questions have already been answered, but I have tried to use the search function to no avail. I believe my questions are a tad too specific.
<Let's see>
I currently have 2 clownfish in my QT, and I've just finished the 4th transfer using the tank transfer method to prophylactically treat them for Ich.
My QT is a 20 gallon tank, currently sg is hovering around 1.025, temperature is at 80-82 degrees. All parameters are in check, as the fish have only been in the water for 3 days so ammonia is at 0, nitrate/nitrite 0, pH. around 8.0-8.2. I have also been dosing with AmQuel plus, to make sure to detoxify any possible ammonia.
I just have a couple questions regarding the health of my fish before I throw them into my display:
1) One of my clowns has ONE "dot" which is white, on one of his pelvic fins. Now this "dot" has been there for about 4 days, and hasn't expanded/multiplied or changed in any way.
Is it possible for ich to show up as only ONE dot?
<Yes; but unlikely. This spot is probably "consolidated body mucus" from general stress>
and remain that way for up to 4 days? I have a feeling this isn't ich, but rather something else, possibly an injury?
I THINK it might just be a "hole" because when I look at the pelvic fin from the other side as well, there seems to be a white dot on the same spot, but it's weird to think that he found a way to make a "hole" in his
fin, rather than a tear. If it were just a single Ich spot on his fin, I wouldn't see the same white dot from BOTH sides of the fin, would I?
<Could; yes>
Would ich behave in this manner at all?
<... again; not likely>
I'm thinking if it was ich, it would have multiplied by now, or fallen off, or changed in any way, or the fish would show signs of the disease, breathing heavier, flashing, appetite loss, anything. The fish has not
changed his behavior in any way. Still eating like a pig. Currently I am only feeding them the Thera-A new life spectrum pellets. I'll add more variety to their diet once they're in the display.
The other clownfish has shown 0 signs of ich, no dots, nothing.
Any ideas? am I just being paranoid?
<The latter>
My second, unrelated question:
2) The other clownfish has weird stool patterns. Sometimes he has really long, stringy white poop, similar to that of an internal parasite. Please find attached a picture of the poop that I saw a few days ago.
<Again; most likely "just" stress... You could look at a specimen under a microscope...>
Now this poop looks very similar to what an internal parasite looks like, but both of my fish have gone through a PraziPro treatment, twice.
The clownfish will show this poop one day, and then the next day he'll have somewhat "normal" poop, which would not be long white and stringy like pictured. He has continued to have normal poop for the past 2-3 days, which is the strange part for me.
Is it normal for a fish to show this type of stool one day, and then seemingly normal stool the next day? It seems like he'll go a week without showing stringy poop, and then one random day he'll show it for a day or two and then go back to normal poop. I was under the impression that if it were internal parasites, then the fish would continue to show stringy poop until the parasites have been cleared. Not show stringy poop one day, and then normal poop the next. Am I mistaken here?
Do fish get different poop from stress?
<Yes; same as humans>
He showed the stringy poop right after the 4th tank transfer, and then 1 day later, he had normal poop again, so I'm thinking is it possible for his stool patterns to change simply due to stress? or diarrhea? haha. Any ideas?
I want to throw my fish in the display in a couple days, as they seem healthy and happy, but I'm just worried about these two issues right now, which makes me doubt if they are 100% ready.
Any input is much appreciated.
Thank you very much, and enjoy your day.
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>

Clownfish keep dying 1 always lives... "The butler-fish did it"      7/4/14
Ok so im new to the hobby first time on this forum posting. Been reading it for about a year before I got the tank (I do ALOT
<Mmm, no such word>
of research before I get into something like this) but let me get into my problem and its not a mantis shrimp I always find the bodies and take them out the bodies don't stay in for more than a few hours and I always wait a few days before getting another fish to check levels
Hi guys my aquariums is as follows (sorry if my spelling is wrong on anything)
75gallon set up for about 2 months now
about 80+/- lbs live rock
60lbs live sand
Fluval 405 canister filter
SeaClone 100g skimmer
temp 78-80 bad heater need a new one (temp fluctuation is not bad it just creeps up and down over a week or so never above or below those two though
48" Odyssea t5ho lights 2 10k 2 actinic
1.021 sg
0 ammonia
0 nitrites
5-10 nitrates
15g water change every 2 weeks
fish list
1 snowflake ocellaris 2" +/-
1 lawnmower blenny
1 neon Dottyback
1 six-line wrasse
<... could be the one Ocellaris, the Pseudochromid or Pseudocheilinus....>

1 diamond watchman goby (sits at bottom eats sand all day) lfs said that's what it was but heard there's two different ones that look like that
1 neon goby
1 skunk cleaner shrimp
assortment of turbo Astreas and 2 other kinds of snails
I think they are blue legged hermit crabs maybe 10 to 20 they come in as hitch hikers I bout maybe 5 and they either hitchhiked or made behbehs lol
and one 2" Bubbletip anemone its been in there for about 3 weeks now originally got it for the clowns but then it moved to the very back of the tank where I didn't want it like they tend to do so I hear lol
anyways my problem is I've had the tank running for about 2 months now since may 26 2014
I started out with 2 clowns after the tank got done cycling the first time no fish just a table shrimp in it for a week then out one clown died due to second cycle is what lfs told me I added 2 domino damsels and the neon Dottyback 1 damsel died in first 24h second damsel died 1w later
<!? Usually VERY tough>

added lawnmower blenny and sixline wrasse 6 line jumped out and died 2 days after I got it cause I forgot to put lid back on added another one and the diamond watchman goby added another clown it lived about a week and was doing fine then died added another clown it died added another clown it died

went to one of my buddies he's been doing marine for about 12 yrs he told me that my clown might just be really aggressive and killing my other clowns so he told me he'd give me store credit if I bought a pair of clowns from his tank so I did that I get them put them in my tank 4 days later one of them kicked the bucket now im back to having just one clown again and all other fish are still alive
But here is clown types all ocellaris that have died
1 false percula
1 misbar false percula
1 extreme misbar false percula (almost a naked clown only had a tiny bit of a white spot on its gill maybe a 1/4" wasn't ick either lol
1 snowflake clown
im sorry this is so long but I really want a clownfish couple don't care if they breed just want a pair of them and a anemone for them I know clown/anemone hosting takes time but I think its cool to watch
<Am sorry I didn't return this mail to you to fix the grammar>
also acclimation procedures I've tried have been Float and drip then transfer fish only
float and drip then pour bucket into tank
float then transfer
Float then pour bag into tank
what im trying to figure out is why only one of my clowns dies even when I put them in as a pair and the other one doesn't is there anything I can do that im not doing to prevent this or am I doing this properly and its just the fish being weak and stressed to badly to the point of death and sorry if this should be put somewhere else I couldn't find a clown only section so I figured itd go good here lol
<... See above... my bet/guess is on one of the stated fishes as/are a bully. Bob Fenner>
Re: re: Clownfish keep dying 1 always lives     7/4/14

Also something I forgot to say what that 2 of the clowns that i saw before they died were breathing really hard I've been told its called gilling not sure though and are at the top of the tank like a gold fish or Betta in a fresh water tank getting air but I have 2 Koralia 1150 powerheads in the tank causing water ripples at the top not sure if that has anything to do with them dying and im just not sure as I didn't see the other 2 doing it out of the 4 that have died just 2 of them did it
<More poor English and yet more evidence of bullying. SEARCH/READ on WWM re such. BobF>
Re: re: Clownfish keep dying 1 always lives     7/4/14

And also when I thought it was the one ocellaris my buddy told me that also so I took it to the store and got 2 completely different ocellaris
<More victims. B>

Re: Clownfish breathing rapidly after feeding – 06/18/14
Hello Sir,
It's been about 6 weeks since we last chatted. After taking your advice regarding switching out the flake food that I had been feeding her, there was a vast improvement in her condition.
<Ah good>
The rapid breathing, scratching, coughing and darting had diminished by about 70%. Unfortunately, she has
been stuck at this 70% level for the last 5 weeks. The other issue I've noticed is, for the last 6 weeks, her skin has had this whitish, shiny, almost glazed appearance, when the light hits her at the right angle. I'm
assuming that this is excess body slime.
<Could well be>
There appear to be little pustules on her body as well, as if she had Ich or Marine Velvet
<IF this the fish would assuredly be dead>
but they are not white, tan or gold, they are clear like the slime itself and they've been there for the past 5 or 6 weeks. Her eyes have remained clear and her appetite has remained very strong. I don't know if this is just a reaction to the stress she's been enduring or a sign of some other disease or infection. All I seem to find when searching "excessive slime on marine fish" is Brooklynosis, which I don't think it is because she'd be dead by now.
All my other fish have remained healthy with no issues. ( Please add words of wisdom between these " < > " thingies. ) Thanks, Art.
<Heeee! Welcome Art. BobF>

Black clown prolapse?     6/2/14
Hi can you please give me advise my clown fish laid her eggs two days ago as usual and for want of a better description it looks like her uterus has prolapsed it's hanging down still and she is clearly distressed taken refuge under the anemone and seems to be breathing quickly panting. Please can you offer me some advise I have had her mate for seven years and don't want to loose her :-(
Kind regards j x
<This "does happen"... and for the most part, most times, self-repairs in days... There are some folks who advance the use (addition) of Epsom Salt... you can find coverage re this on WWM (the search tool on every page). Bob Fenner>
J to Bob Fenner black clown prolapse     6/2/14

Thank you Bob for your quick response iv been so worried iv never seen this happen before so thank you again for your advise
Kind regards J x
<Ah, welcome. BobF>

Clownfish breathing rapidly after feeding      5/5/14
Hello, I am currently experiencing a 3 week long problem with my 7 year old female Ocellaris Clownfish. Whenever I feed her, minutes later, she becomes semi-listless and she starts breathing rapidly.
<Mmm; wonder... some sort of gut blockage? What do you feed?>

It appears that her left gill plate stops functioning while the right one is pumping away at high speed. This usually lasts for about 1 to 2 hours and then it slowly goes away and she starts swimming around, more and more, like normal. There are no signs of external parasites, cloudy eyes, sores or any other physical abnormalities and her appetite is strong and she has continued to lay eggs. My other 2 fish seem to be fine, at this stage. All measurable water parameters are excellent in my display tank, however, I decided to put her into a hospital/auxiliary tank to see if maybe there was some sort of unseen toxin in my DT that was bothering her. Unfortunately, the problem has not gone away. I also gave her a freshwater bath( un-medicated ), but it did nothing to help. She doesn't do well in a FW bath. I have dipped plenty of fish before, usually for 5 to 10 minutes, with no problems. She, however, gets very stressed after only 3 minutes, so that was all I could do with her. I don't know if this is some sort of gill fluke or an internal parasite or something else. Any ideas and a plan for action would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Arthur.
<Well; there are times, not uncommon where fishes will breathe more quickly, and only apparently one-sided. Again; the foods...
Bob Fenner>
Re: Clownfish breathing rapidly after feeding     5/6/14

Thanks for your quick response, I feed frozen Mysis and brine shrimp in the morning and herbivore flakes in the evening.
<Mmm; these should be okay. I'd switch out a good quality, small sized pelleted in the stead of the flake for a few weeks...>
This is what I have always fed them. I forgot to mention, that along with the listlessness, there are also
other signs of stress like some scratching, darting and something that resembles coughing. Thanks.
<Am now thinking it/this may be "something else" the Clown ate, is eating... like small worms, mollusks in the system... that it can't quite pass. Perhaps the addition of a modicum of Epsom salt will help here. Bob Fenner>
Re: Clownfish breathing rapidly after feeding     5/6/14
Thanks Bob, there are hundreds of little white snails, about 1/16" in size, crawling around my live rock and tank.
I do see her often picking them off the rock and glass whenever they get too close to her eggs. I have never
seen her eat one, but I suppose she could have eaten one, by accident, in the eviction process. I would like to try the Epsom salt, so please tell me how much and for how long. Thank you, Art.
<Please just search on WWM... too much to re-key. Cheers, B>
Re: Clownfish breathing rapidly after feeding      5/10/14

Hey Bob, I added the Epsom salt to the hospital tank, but I have not seen any improvement yet. She seems to be stress out, now, all day. She spends most of the time laying on the bottom, moving/darting from corner to
corner. The scratching and coughing happens all day now , not just after feedings. Her breathing is at an elevated rate most of the day now, too.
She, usually, keeps all her fins, clamped/lowered, with the exception of her pectoral fins, which are very active.
<This last behavior is fine, natural>
The only time these conditions change is when I feed her. She will perk right up and you'll never know that anything was bothering her. Her appetite still very strong. I have noticed her producing white stringy feces recently. She has done this from time to time over the years so maybe it's just coincidence that it's happening now. The other odd thing I've noticed was sometimes when she " does her business ", along with the white feces, air bubbles come out.
Yesterday, during one of her coughing spells, she actually coughed up air bubbles. This I have not seen from her before. Any ideas? Thanks, Art.
<Mmm... more reading... and patience. Take the long view on WWM re Clownfish Disease (articles and FAQs). B>

Poorly clownfish
Hello WWM crew!
I desperately need some quick advice on how to help my poorly clownfish.
<I see your pix... the Clown; mouth open-ish... PVC pipe, a questionable stone>
I’ve had him in Quarantine as a new purchase for about 6 weeks.
<Appears to be a wild-caught specimen... Why not a cultured one?>
After around 4 weeks I noticed a faint white spot
<Single. Of, by itself, no need for real concern>
on his flank so he’s been under Cupramine treatment for 2 weeks. The white post is still there leading me to believe it is not Ich as it hasn’t moved/disappeared at all after/during treatment. It is still only very faint but I have now noticed a few more under his jaw.
<Likely just body mucus accumulating about Neuromasts>
Yesterday I dipped the fish in Sera Tremazol (uk anti worm-flukes med) for 30 minutes (longer than the 20mins recommended because I was cleaning his tank while he was in there and it took a little longer). I figured 30 minutes would be fine as the recommended bath is the same dosage for 6 hours.
Anyway, I moved him back to his newly cleaned QT after this and he seemed fine – eating and swimming around until later in the evening (perhaps 3hours later) and now he looks very unhappy. His mouth is slightly opened constantly (as per picture – white-spots not visible on camera). He is just floating around near the bottom of his tank whereas before he was up and down in that adorable clownfish fashion. He is also no longer interested in food. I’m also pretty convinced I saw him vomit – is that even possible!?!?!?
<Yes; likely just the dip/bath procedure>
It could’ve just been regurgitated food he’d been chewing but I saw this while he was showing no interest in food.
I found the small filter I have in there failed overnight when we had a power cut. I had to go to work so didn’t have time to fix it but did manage to add a tiny powerhead near the surface of the water as I thought (I hope!) that it’s just lack of oxygen!?! Does this sound feasible??? Do you think I could’ve given him to much medication in quick succession (the Cupramine followed by sera Tremazol?).
<No; I would not... six weeks in isolation...>
Can you recommend anything I can do if I Have over medicated him? I’m really fond of him and was looking forward to moving him and my other clown (in a separate QT) into the DT this weekend. Please help me!!!
<I would (simply) move this fish to the main/display at this point; perhaps through a one minute dip of pH-adjusted freshwater. It is unlikely it has any pathogenic disease at this juncture, and delaying here will result in its demise. Bob Fenner>
Re: Poorly clownfish
Thank you so much for your response. I am on my way home to transfer him to my main tank now as per your advice. If he continues to look like this - do you have any suggestions on what I should do?
<Stay observant for now...>
I am going to do a short FW dip before he goes in. He was sold to me as tank bred. Is this not the case?
<Can't tell from here... but larger, well-colored specimens... Lo dudo. BobF>

Re: Poorly clownfish     4/23/14
Bob, just wanted to say a massive THANK YOU for your advice. As expected, you were spot on and I now have a very happy pair of clownfish in my display tank. You have also advised me on my other clownfish who suffered a colour change due to copper treatment. You have helped me no end - I'm not sure Mona and Monty would still be here if it wasn't for you! Can't thank you enough!!
<Certainly welcome. BobF>

Strange growth on clownfish      4/3/14
Do you know what this strange growth on my clownfish might be? It started out as a black dot under his mouth and within a week it now looks fuzzy.
Any ideas?
<... the pic is a bit blurry... But am given to speculate that this may be an Isopod... Do see here:
and here: http://wetwebmedia.com/isopoda.htm
and the linked files above... can be more/less (gently) removed w/ tweezers; holding the fish gently in a net underwater>
I really appreciate any advice you might have. I'm new to saltwater tanks and none of the pictures on the net quite look like this.
<Welcome. Bob Fenner> 

Re: Strange growth on clownfish      4/4/14
Thank you, I'll try that : )
<Do report back. Gracias. BobF>
Re: Strange growth on clownfish       4/5/14
Hi Bob
I netted him and was about to remove with tweezers but On closer inspection it wasn't an isopod. Looked more like Lymphocystis (highly likely as I'm new to this and have no idea what I'm doing) so am going to treat with better food and improved water quality (nitrite levels 2.0 too high)
<Yeeikes! Nitr"I"tes?... Yes; any is too much>
The little guy is in quarantine and my fingers are crossed. I'd hate to loose <lose> him as he has loads of personality.
Thanks again
<Welcome. B>

Clownfish with ICH, just using WWM      3/20/14
<Meli... the little sweet one>
I just started my salt water tank a little over a month ago this past Sunday ( 3/16/14) I added two clownfish, 5 snails and 10 little hermit crabs.
<A note: I would not add all these at once>
The day after I added everything to the tank my clownfish developed white spots and it's looking like ICH.
<Does indeed>

One fish has it worse than the other I attached a picture of one of the fish. I bought the PH test and alkalinity test and my ph looked fine but my alkalinity was low (2.5). I bought the garlic guard food
<... of no use>

but my fish still won't eat. Is there anything I can do to help heal him or prevent any other fish I add to the tank from having this?
<? Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/clndiscrypt.htm
and the linked files above till you understand, decide on a given path>
Thank you in advance for your help
<What we do. Bob Fenner>

Re: Clownfish with ICH   3/20/14
Thank you for your help! The place I bought them from keeps throwing new things I need to buy at me instead of helping me with the problem
<Ahh, the merchant-mind affliction>
so its nice to get some good feedback! What would you recommend I do ?
<Read; and quick. This fish is near its end>
I purchased ParaGuard ( SeaChem brand) they told me to do two treatments a day until I see improvements
<This product might work; IN a separate treatment system. BobF>
RE: Clownfish with ICH   3/20/14

I've been reading and I'm just so lost with all of it, Im fairly new to all this so its all confusing
<Ahh; easy to become overwhelmed here... Take your time... B>
RE: Clownfish with ICH    3/20/14

What would you recommend? Will Ich ruin my tank and will all future fish I put in get it?
<Hon... there's just too much to key, re-key re... >
RE: Clownfish with ICH    Dismal    3/21/14

Hi! My Clown Died last night and now my other seems a little down not really moving much or eating....Should I wait a few days or weeks before I add another one?
<Another... fish? You're joking I take it. None. B>

Something on my Black Ocellaris' Eye    2/22/14
Hello Crew,
Today, I noticed something on my black Ocellaris� right eye. Please see the
attached picture.
Any idea what it could be?
<Looks to be a scratch>
Please help!
Temp 80°F
Salinity 1.024
pH 8.3
dKH 9.0
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 10
Calcium 400
Phosphate 0
<Not really zero; or the Cnidarian would be dead>
<Nothing to treat here. Just good water quality, nutrition and time going by. Bob Fenner>

RE: Something on my Black Ocellaris' Eye     2/22/14
I forgot to mention that I own a 29 BioCube and the black Ocellaris has been in my tank for one year (2/16/13). I also have a female Ocellaris, Banggai Cardinalfish and a Fourline wrasse in same tank. The wrasse is the newest member (1/18/14).
<Oh... the Fourline is likely bugging all the other fishes... driving the one to smack itself into something hard. Do keep your eye on the Pseudocheilinus. BobF>
Let me know if you need anything else.

Black marks on clownfish in QT      1/25/14
Good afternoon!
After searching the internet for days and asking on forums with no discernible answer, I decided it was time to ask the experts!
My clownfish has been in a hospital tank, undergoing copper treatment for white spot, for 3 weeks now. I originally had two in there but I unfortunately lost the other smaller (male) black and white clown after a few days in the HT. Mona, the larger of the two, is now cured of Whitespot and doing well apart from these marks on her. She had a few black marks that I assumed were caused by my Zoas when I first transferred her. But these new marks look as if the original few spots have dispersed and spread all over her.
<I see these/this>
After looking at pictures of clownfish changing colour as they mature, I'm not convinced this is what's going on.... Those changes seem to be from under the scales and look to be a more even spread of colour. This looks more like the edges of her scaled are trimmed with black.
She is still eating well (tetra marine flakes twice a day, sometimes three times. Once a day I add garlic Xtreme. I feed Mysis every couple of days too). There's no ammonia in the HT, I do a 25% water change every 4/5 days and have an ammonia badge in there too.
I've attached the best pics I could get with a rubbish camera and a fast moving fish! The black shows up most between her middle and back white line but is also on her fins.... Everywhere except her head!
Do you think I need to worry about her/do anything?
Thanks in advance for your help!
<These markings look to be smudges; chromatophore, melanophore: color cells on/in this fish... From? Copper exposure, gen. stress? I would NOT treat for anything pathogenic here. Return this fish to optimized, stable conditions and it should be fine. Bob Fenner>

Re: Black marks on clownfish in QT      1/26/14
Bob, thanks so much for your response.
<Welcome Jen>
Yesterday was the last day of copper treatment at the recommended level so I have now put carbon sponge and PolyFilter in the filter to remove the copper, hopefully Mona will look less grubby soon! I was wondering if lighting may also have had something to do with this and if I should leave the tank light off for a few days? Do you think this may be a factor?
<Not likely... the copper exposure by itself... most all. BobF>

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