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FAQs on Freshwater, Terrestrial Crab Systems

Related Articles: Fresh to Brackish CrabsFreshwater CrustaceansInvertebrates for Freshwater Aquariums by Neale Monks, Forget Crawfish Pie, Let's Make a Crawfish Tank! By Gage Harford

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unknown crab, terr. 4/19/09
Hello,
I hope you can shed some light on my current dilemma and give me a few pointers and how to take care of this beautiful crab I rescued today. I received a call from a friend that works at PetCo. He says "I have this awesome crab that someone just dropped off in a bucket and have no idea what to do with it. Do you want it?" Of course being the lover of all God's creatures that I am, I said "Yes". Keep in mind, I have zero idea what I have or how to care for it.
<Usually not difficult with crabs. They need something very similar to what you'd offer frogs or newts: shallow pool of water to bathe in; lots of damp moss and rock above the water; a source of warmth; and an enclosure with a tight lid so they can't escape. Virtually none of the species in the trade is aquatic, and all will spend most of the time on land.>
I have six fish tanks, all freshwater and no crab experience. I have searched the web to find not much info. It looks a lot like a soap dish crab, same basic shape, but this one I have is so awesome in color. Not
plain reddish/brown like the pics I have seen online. One call I made said possibly a Thai Devil crab. I am attaching a photo. It is female, I do know that much.
<Very likely a Cardisoma species of some sort, so basically similar to the Soap Dish Crab in terms of being terrestrial, largely herbivorous, and highly aggressive.>
She is currently in a 20g tall tank with a mix of gravel and crushed coral.
<It's a land crab. You can easily tell land crabs from underwater crabs.
Land crabs have tall, boxy bodies. They have that shape to make space for the structures that effectively function as their lungs. By contrast underwater crabs are usually more flattened so they are streamlined and not pushed over by water currents. Another good clue is the back pair of legs; on underwater crabs these are usually flattened into swimmerets, basically paddled; on land crabs they are pointed, just like the walking legs.>
I have a submersible filter running and I have some rocks she can climb out onto so that she isn't constantly submerged and have given a healthy dose of aquarium salt.
<Not a brackish water species, so far as I know. I'd certainly not keep her in an aquatic environment. Honestly, she's a land animal.>
I read in a several of the forums that I may need to get iodine supplements and some different salts. Does she need a heater?
<Yes.>
Anyway, so far she seems to prefer being under the surface for the most part. Every now and again she pops up out of the water just far enough to inhale through her "nose" and immediately exhales through her back side. I want to absolutely do right by her as she has obviously had a decent life so far. Can't imagine someone just bailing on her as they did today. She is fairly good sized with her body being about 2.5" across. Many thanks in advance for whatever info you can help me with.
Quick
<Read up on Cardisoma species, and keep in the same basic way. These animals like damp, but terrestrial, habitats and feed extensively on soft fruits, dead animals, etc. Couple of inches of filtered water ample. Iodine supplements are useful. Cheers, Neale.>

Re: unknown crab 4/19/09
Neale,
Thank you so much for the super fast reply.
<Happy to help.>
Beautiful isn't she?
<And how!>
We are just amazed at her colors. I am real concerned about taking care of this crab. Ok, just a couple more questions. Is the 20 tall big enough?
<Should be ample, especially if you use lots of bogwood or whatever to create places to climb.>
I have a 55g that has a crack in the bottom that is not being used. Or is that overkill?
<I'm sure the crab would love that tank, but why not keep things simple and inexpensive for now?>
Is the gravel and crushed coral ok or should I get a bunch of moss instead?
Or both?
<Either. These animals aren't at all fussy. Wild animals burrow into mud.
They burrow into the mud along river banks a lot, so if they can dig, that's great. Here are the things that matter: Firstly, that you can clean the tank out easily. Some folks find "disposable" media like coconut fibre
the ideal in this regard, simply cleaning it all out before it gets smelly.
Other folks prefer substrates they can clean every couple of weeks. Either is fine. What matters more are [a] a hiding place; and [b] humidity. Provided they have these things, they really aren't fussed. So a cave or hollow ornament or whatever where they can hunker down periodically is useful, and as for humidity, a plastic drip tray or even a regular hood should take care of that. Within these restrictions, be creative!>
I have made her a larger land area by making a plateau out of the gravel and siphoning out some of the water out. Seems to work ok with the filter still circulating all the water through the raised gravel area. She wants nothing to do with the "land" area and dives right back into the water.
<Really? That's odd. Well, since I don't recognise the crab to species level, let your observations be your guide. She certainly should have land, but if she's nervous or otherwise fussed about something, she will feel more secure under water. Start off with a 50/50 mix of land and water, and see how you go.>
Maybe that's just what she is used to. I hollowed out a spot in the gravel so there is just a shallow pool. She is staying there for the moment. As far as heat, get a heat rock?
<I'd recommend an undertank heating mat as being a lot easier to use in this context.>
Of course that would require a real land area wouldn't it.
<Indeed. You may find that if the water area is big enough, heating the water, and allowing the warmed air to circulate, will do the trick. Really depends on how cold the air is in your part of the world. If you're in
Southern California or somewhere with a subtropical climate, merely warming the water would be adequate. Elsewhere, you really want to heat up the whole enclosure.>
Again, I really appreciate your input.
Quick
<Cheers, Neale.>

Re: unknown crab 4/20/09
Neale,
You are awesome.
<Modesty forbids...>
We live in Texas, usually around 74, 75 in the house all year round. Should be warm enough I'd think. She ate a nice piece of cantaloupe while we were making breakfast. I feel much better now that she has eaten something.
Here's a link to a site I found helpful as well.
http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Bugs,%20Patriot%20Crab.htm
<Have to confess that this isn't one of my favourite sites; while it has a page on just about everything, it also contains myriad errors and the writers seem to have a slap-dash approach to healthcare and animal welfare.
They seem to offer feeder fish to just about everything, which to me is a massive alarm bell that rings "bad fishkeeping".>
We will stick to the 20t for now as I am going to "give" the crab to one of our 12 year old twins. You are of course correct concerning manageability compared to the 55g. The other twin is getting a hand tame pair of
Fischer's lovebirds to "take care of". We all know how that works don't we?
<Indeed... an issue I've commented on here before; by all means share animals with children, but if any parent believes their child will genuinely shoulder all the work (and expense) they're likely to be in for a
surprise.>
Should be fair, we hope...
Again, thank you. We will let ya know how we progress. Have a blessed day.
<I do hope so! And to you, too.>
Quick
<Cheers, Neale.>

Re: unknown crab, fdg., sys., beh.   4/22/09
Neale,
I was mistaken when I said that the crab had eaten a nice piece of cantaloupe.
<Banana! Land crabs seem to love banana, the softer the better! Also try small pieces of white fish, ideally lancefish, which you can buy in pet shops. These have bones in them, and the calcium there is excellent for the crabs. Unshelled prawns, perhaps sliced along the middle to make things easier, are also a good source of calcium. Crabs are scavengers, and generally eat anything that's soft or meaty.>
My wife had removed it as it was getting a bit smelly. The crab has not eaten anything since we got her and has seemingly become very weak.
<Review air temperature and humidity; these are essentially like frogs in terms of care, and cold, dry air does them no good at all. Turning the heater up in the water side of the tank can create more warm, humid
conditions in the land side of the tank. Likewise, keeping the lid more firmly secured will help, too.>
She has not moved much in the past 2 days. Maybe she's getting ready to molt.
<You can actually check this: before they moult, crustaceans absorb extra water. When picked up, you may notice they've both bulked up and yet the shell is softer than normal, and may even yield a bit to the touch. They feel less heavy for their size that you'd expect (a tip you using when buying edible crabs, by the way). While the following link refers to Land Hermits, in terms of generalities, it would hold true for Land Crabs too:
http://hermit-crabs.com/molting.html
So, prior to moulting, the crab will puff up, become softer, tend to hide away from light, and generally become inactive. Moulting starts with the exoskeleton unzipping, and the crab sort of backs out of its shell,
tail-end first.>
I hope so. We would not feel like very good stewards if she dies.
<I understand!>
Already lost one pet this week :-( One of our Fischer's lovebirds had a seizure and died in my hands.
<Oh, sorry to hear that.>
Of course, I have zero history on the crab. Have tried feeding her a variety of foods to no avail. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Quick
<Cheers, Neale.>

FW Crabs
Hello again. Thanks for taking a look at my letter. I have a few more questions for you. Using the German crab ID page I found on your site, I have determined that my soap dish crab is the third Thai fresh water crab they have listed, it looks just like my little Carl, right down to the dark zig-zags on his appendages. It says it is of the Demanietta species, but that seems to include a lot of different looking crabs. How can I narrow it down further?
< Do a Google search on the web using the Demanietta species you have already found. That should get you closer to a correct ID.>
Anyways, I've started adding iodine to all my crab tanks. How often should I add the drop? daily?
< Add the drop of iodine every time you change water.>
The water I use is well-water with a softener. If this is no good, what type of water should I use? Would adding some sea shells add calcium to the water?
< All crabs like brackish water. I would use the softened well water but add some sea salt and micronutrients at about 1/3 to 1/2 the dosage recommended for salt water.>
I know the fiddlers prefer brackish water, does Carl need some salinity also?
< You bet.>
Should I change the water to brackish?
< The sooner the better.>
Would his feeder minnows tolerate the salt?
< They are pretty tolerant to salt and would probably do OK.>
He has not molted since I have had him, but I just figured he was big enough that he only molted once a year. Am I incorrect with this assumption?
< Sounds like a pretty safe assumption.>
How big is this guy supposed to get, anyway? What is this creatures lifespan?
well, thanks in advance, Scott
< They usually get about 2 to three inches across the body and will probably live between 2 and 5 years depending on how old Carl was when he was caught.-Chuck> 

Bettas and brackish
This question is threefold, but background first.
I have a two-year running planted tank with just about the easiest to grow plants in them (hornwort and Cabomba weeds) and a Betta (who is in heaven).  Ten gallons, inexpensive waterfall-type filtration turned all the way down to keep the water filtered but generally undisturbed at the surface, temperature at 82-84F, full spectrum lighting (as I pretty much used to use it as a plant-isolation tank to get the snails out of them... used to have a swarm of apple snails, which has since stabilized as the Betta tends to eat the egg sacs and young snails... basically anything he could fit in his mouth).  It was my first foray into plants and gave me the knowledge I needed to go into planting my goldfish tanks.
<Outstanding>
I am now interested in getting some (generally) bottom-dwelling small crabs, and according to the research I have done, while they can tolerate freshwater (poorly), they prefer brackish.
<Most of the species sold in the trade, yes>
I've done research into setting up a brackish system and I feel ready for it.  I've also been briefed in the requirements of the types of crabs I'm considering (but will eventually settle on a single pair of a single type, most likely the small red-clawed crabs) and feel ready to meet them.
<Okay>
Question one is:  Can the Betta tolerate a brackish or slightly-less-than-brackish salinity?  
<Yes... as can the hornwort/Ceratophyllum... but the Cabomba may well do its falling apart act>
I'd like to keep him (I got him as a fry and know he is around 19 months of age now) where he is, and possibly just slowly up the salinity to desired levels to get him used to it, as well as letting the microorganism population adapt to the change.
<Good technique>
Question two:  Would the Betta be socially compatible with these scavengers?  He generally will sleep on the plants and I've almost never seen him sleep on the gravel (I work nights, and keep the room dark on my nights off, so I have observed him during the 'night' part of his cycle).
<The Betta should not harm the crabs, but the reverse may well not be so... almost all crabs are opportunistic omnivores... and if hungry, might attack, consume the Betta>
Question three:  Answered on your brackish plants page, no, the plants will stick around.
Thank you,
Dan
<Be chatting, Bob Fenner>
 

Crabby Crab?  Sabrina Has Crab Envy! - 09/03/2005
Just bought an apparently Yellow Moon crab from the local garden centre.  
<Research prior to purchase, next time....  I'm impressed, I suspect you have Geothelphusa albogilva.  This animal is currently unobtainable in the US.>
Guy said it was ok in my tank with 3 goldfish which are very big.  
<Likely untrue.>
Got the heater for him and the right food etc.  
<Goldfish are coldwater, shouldn't be heated.>
He seems to want to get out of the tank all the time, life seems one big struggle to climb to the top and spend some quality time out of the water on top of the heater or filter system.  
<Yup, this and all other crabs available in the freshwater hobby absolutely require a land mass with hiding space - these are land animals that spend some time in the water.  Geothelphusa albogilva is more terrestrial than anything.  At least the animal is actually freshwater.  I sure wish we got critters like that in the hobby in the US.>
Can't find any info on these crabs
<Not much out there, from a husbandry point of view - treat this like any other terrestrial semi-aquatic crab....  Give it a large land mass of several inches of sand and wood/leaf debris, with a great deal of cover/hiding and a few gallons of clean, circulating freshwater.>
and worried I'm not looking after him right.  Can you give me any advice on making sure he has good quality of life?  
<Just as above - this is an animal worth accommodating.>
Would really appreciate your help and comments.
<I'd absolutely LOVE some images of this animal.... please.... if you have time and a camera.  I have crab envy.>
Kind regards,  Joanna
<Wishing you and your new decapod well,  -Sabrina>

Crabby Crab?  Sabrina Has Crab Envy! - II - 09/07/2005
God I feel so naive.....just thought I was buying a funny cute looking crab to live next to my computer and look nice.  Guess I was major uninformed.
<No worries....  The fact that you are seeking information is wonderful.>
Didn't realize I had something unusual! Please excuse my ignorance.
<Again, no worries.>
I am a total animal lover and now dead worried this poor little creature is not getting the right life. I will transfer him to another tank and somehow arrange land for him to rest on and water when he needs it. How come I can easily buy him here and you can't over there?
<I have never heard of Geothelphusa offered for sale anywhere....  But Europe and the UK always tend to get "new" critters a few years prior to the US.  There are many shrimp and crabs available in Europe that I'd do a great deal to get my hands on!  I suppose I shall just remain patient....>
I will take some pictures of him and send them to you...
<Much appreciated!  I would very much like to see if this is in fact the crab I think it is.>
again excuse my ignorance as a first time crab owner but what's the interest? He's not yellow or looks like he's from the moon haha, just a small baby crab that's whitish in colour and likes sitting on the heater.  
<Once in a proper environment, I suspect you'll find him much more interesting.  The interest, to me, is that I have quite a passion/fascination with invertebrates, especially crabs and shrimp....  the interest with Geothelphusa, to me, is that they don't or shouldn't require saltwater access....  If there were more truely freshwater land crabs available in the hobby, folks would be more easily able to care for them properly, which is one of my main desires....>
Guess I'm entering a whole new dimension I didn't know existed out there.  
<Invertebrates are really amazing animals!>
Would love to chat more, thanks for replying so quick.  
<You bet.  Sorry for the delay in this response; I've been traveling a bit.>
Where about in the US are you?  
<In California....  In the Santa Cruz mountains.  Beautiful place.>
I'm over in UK in Yorkshire - God's Country.
<Sounds excellent!>
Best regards,  Joanna
<Wishing you and your crabby pal well,  -Sabrina>

Crabby Conversion? - 08/07/2005
Can saltwater crabs adapt to fresh water?
<Unfortunately, no.  Thanks for writing in!  -Sabrina>

Halloween Land Crab – 03/17/07
Hi, thank you for taking the time to read this.  I have what the pet store called a Halloween Land Crab.  
<Gercarcinus sp., maybe G. lateralis.>
He is not set up in some amazing aquarium, he is just in a plastic cage.  I have a water dish for him that's 2 inches deep that he climbs in and out of.  The bottom of the cage is filled with calcium sand and aquarium pebbles.  
<Ideally, he needs a sand substrate deep enough and just damp enough to burrow into, and needs enough saltwater and enough freshwater, each in separate containers, deep enough to fully submerge himself - though the land area is by far the most important.>
He has been doing really well eating bits of fruit such as apples, oranges, pineapple and also an occasional guppy.
<Needs more meaty foods, preferably things like human-consumption shrimp (raw, frozen and then thawed) and fish; krill, meaty fish foods, and also Nori (seaweed) would be other important foods.>
But recently three of his legs fell off on his right side!  What is going on?
<Likely he is very deficient in something that he needs - saltwater, perhaps, or iodine....  Feeding the foods mentioned above, especially shrimp, krill, and Nori which are rich in iodine, will be very important.  Supplementing the food with a reptile calcium supplement will be helpful, as well.>
He was not in a fight with another crab and I've never experienced him going through the "shedding process"! Is he unhappy or sick? How can I tell what's going on?
<sounds like a state of disease, not a normal molting situation at all....  I would urge you to improve this critter's living space and food.>
If this is below what you guys do, then I'm sorry to waste your time,
<A question is never a waste of time.>
I just need simple answers and can't seem to find them anywhere.
<Thank you very much for searching for your answers, and for asking questions.>
Nick
<All the best to you,  -Sabrina>






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