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Pomacanthus annularis, comp. w/SPS, sliding scale w/ sys.
size 3/29/13 2 angels in same tank? 5/16/09 Asfur Angels Question... Hi Bob, I just purchased a beloved
Asfur this evening. A real Beauty. I had been fortunate to observe and
put him on hold for 6 months at my dealer's store. <Wow! A great
species to have on hand for so long> He is great. Nice and plump
from eating everything you throw at him. He shows the normal aggressive
behavior and is my center piece. <A good place> I have 11 years
of Marine Experience and have kept several Big Angels. Some of my
accomplishments have been a Majestic Angel, Queen Angel, Koran Angel,
and Flames of Course. After setting up my 75 Gal (First Big Tank At
least big to me) I have added a 4 inch specimen with a maroon clown and
a Fiji Devil. I plan on adding a Desjardini Sailfin Tang, a Red Sea
Raccoon (In keeping with species from them same region) <Great>
and a Bicolor Parrot or Hippo Tang. <Skip the Cetoscarus
bicolor, go with the Paracanthurus> Adding all a couple of weeks
apart to let the Bacteria keep up. Now to my question. I have read much
about the Asfur. I have read about there normal habits and feed, etc.
After seeing the size of the systems of those in the QA portion 125+ I
started to wonder about the size of my tank. <Me too... I generally
suggest a 300 gallon about now...> I thought he would be in for the
long haul in my new tank but I am beginning to scratch my head. I
really am happy with a 75 and may upgrade a couple of years down the
road to a 110 (It will fit on the stand) but is the Asfur going to grow
too large? <Yes, psychologically ahead of
physiologically...> All of the material I have read stated that the
Angel, in the wild, normally attains the size of 6 inches or so and has
even been associated as a pygmy angel. <What? Nah... have seen
them near their full size of sixteen inches in the wild, had ones of
over a foot in length in captivity... Who do you recall making such
statements? Please see Pomacanthus Asfur on our site
(www.WetWebMedia.com) and fishbase.org...> I am really confused. I
understand that there is a firm distinction between the Asfur and
Maculosus (Forgive the spelling) as it has been nonchalantly avoided by
questioners. The Mac, I understand, can grow to 18 inches, I have seen
one that large. I have a large Wet Dry Unit with in Sump Protein
skimmer, a couple of power heads for circulation and an Aragonite bed.
I have even added a high powered pump for a gentle mist of bubbles for
added surface agitation to oxygenate the water even more then the wet
dry unit will provide. <Good idea> Lighting is on a timed
schedule (Power compacts both white and actinic to stimulate algae for
nutrition) There is a lot of free swimming space and he is doing quite
well (Even coming out in the last couple hours and exploring his
surroundings). He is fully shaped and the colors are very prominent. No
sign of infection, disease, or lost finnage. <Yes, this is likely a
tank-raised individual out of the Far East... quite common nowadays,
and fabulous> Can you give me some advice pertaining to growth and
true classification. Hardiness is no question in my mind. Surely
rivaling and overtaking that of Navarchus (Her royal Majesty) Thank you
in advance... <Do take a look on our site and Fishbase... Growth can
be six inches in a year to nine in two to eleven or so in three... Bob
Fenner> Mark, Maryland Baby Blue Angel Greetings Boys, <Hallo... Sailor!> Just some help on how fast this baby will grow. I work at a pet store and am considered the Marine expert, <we all have our faults... we forgive you> however I don't think my 8 years makes me an expert by far. <you have valid and important experience... and none of us our experts. All aquarists are pioneers :) > Especially considering how often I email you guys :) . Anyway, on our order we ordered a Med. (3-4") Navarchus angel which I have taken care of and kept more than healthy before. However, we got sent a baby blue by mistake which they did not charge us for and said we could have, <very cool> this was a first from Quality Marine for us. <I like Quality Marine very much... a very good wholesaler overall> All good I suppose. This blue angel is extremely beautifully colored and healthy looking, the first potential problem however was that he was only about 1.5" long, NOT a good fish size. <agreed> But in the last 3 years I have been good at getting hard to keep fish to eat (a Moorish Idol being my pride and joy at home). The little guy was put into a tank of mine and not at the store, I didn't want him in a community tank until I new he would eat and until he got some size to him. And like I hoped, that night he was eat, I was surprised as hell. He enjoys seaweed select, formula 1 and 2, brine shrimp and even took a few flakes on the 4th day. <please don't feed brine shrimp to any fish that you hope will survive longer than a year...heehee. It is truly a hollow and useless food (adult brine). Its a shame that fish respond so well to it... like Americans to fast food!> He is without flaw and I am VERY pleased with him. Now for the question, the only free tank I had in my personal possession with 5 months of cycling on it was a 72gal bow front. How fast do blues grow per month and what is the minimum tank they will need to flourish? <he'll be fine in this tank for about a year> I am thinking 155gal minimum but I think for a fish that will reach a bit over a foot at least 250 to make him happy. <agreed on the latter> In my opinion a fish should be given what it needs to feel at home. <indeed...saltwater fishes have been shown to need length of tank more than water volume to prevent stunting and premature death> Kinda like the betta problem. A betta will survive in a 5gal jar, BUT will he be happy? I prefer to go with the happy size so I always encourage our customers to get more than what they need. There is nothing that makes me happier than to see a fish that is happy. Thanks for the help men. John M. <let me suggest that you feed this fish a diet rich in meaty foods while it is young for faster growth and as it is natural (small Blue angels are cleaner fish that eat parasites off other fishes). So... no brine shrimp, but any freeze dried foods and especially thawed frozen Gammarus and Mysid shrimp, Pacifica plankton and shredded krill. Best regards, Anthony> Annularis Angel Thanks for the answer. On your site it says the annularis reach eight inches, do they get bigger than this? <much bigger in some cases. On the Reef they can reach almost 20"!!! Even half of this in captivity is quite large. A good hardy fish but needing a huge tank> Or is an eight inch fish too big for an 80 gallon tank? <an 80 gallon might only support this fish for the first 2-3 years of its life. You will need a 6 foot long tank in the near future. See here for more specs: http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=7902&genusname=Pomacanthus&speciesname=annularis > Thanks rich. <best regards, Anthony> Blue Line Angel in small quarters Hello fellows, <Good morning to you!> I have a few questions if you'd kindly answer. I received yesterday a blue line angel from the Marine Center. The fellow told me it should do just fine in my 55 live rock system. <Wow, kind of small for such a large fish. I would not recommend any large Angelfish in anything under 90 gallons.> It would appear quite large for that to me, but I have no choice. The individual in question is a good 5 or 6 inches in length, beautiful, alert, and slightly skinny possibly as a result of shipping. Randy at Marine Center told me it was eating well for a month there. He also said he wouldn't expect it to eat anything for a week or so in its new home. Is this the norm? <Not for me. I would expect any healthy fish to eat in a few days.> Should I be comfortable with this? <I would begin offering various foods the day after introduction.> He said Mysis shrimp should be taken by the end of the week and other foods as well. Is this a hardy fish? <Generally, a hardy Angelfish, although the stress over confinement in this small tank may prove too much for this individual.> I was told it was. Do you have any experience with it? <Yes, a great fish, slightly under appreciated in the trade/hobby for more exotic looking species.> Sorry for the rambling length of this letter. I just really want the fish to do well, due to the fact it is amazing and all. LOL. Thanks, Brian <You can read more about this species here: http://www.wetwebmedia. com/marine/fishes/angels/index.htm http://www.wetwebmedia. com/marine/fishes/angels/bestmarangs.htm I would look for a larger tank or another home for this specimen. -Steven Pro> Question About Pomacanthus annularis - 06/05/05 First of all,
let me say that I think your website is wonderful, and I've read
your book cover to cover. <<Hello Steve, Eric R. here today, and
I assume you're referring to Bob's book...excellent reading it
is.>> I've gained much knowledge from reading the FAQs and
your readers' questions. <<Yes...much to be found/discovered
among these pages.>> This started as my wife's hobby, but I
found myself helping out allot, especially in the LFS. I
guess I'm a good listener so I've been able to help my wife
decipher what the LFS sales guys are saying. I also
refurbished the filtration system on an old 125 that I bought used, so
I guess I'm becoming a hobbyist. <<Tee hee! Does
go that way sometimes. Hopefully you're enjoying the
involvement.>> Finally, I have a question for
you. Currently, I have a fish only 125 gallon marine
aquarium with the following fish. <<Wait! What's
this "I" stuff? Thought you said this was your
wife's hobby <Big Grin>?>> Clarkii Clown, Flame Hawk,
Niger Trigger, Green Bird Wrasse, Hippo Tang, Wolf Eel Blenny Some of
the sales people are telling my wife she can have a dozen or so fish
(or more if they're small). <<Not surprising to hear, but,
stocking a tank is MUCH more involved than basing numbers on the size
of the tank and the size of the fish. Factors such as
hardiness, activeness, temperament/compatibility, etc. must be
considered. Each addition must be researched carefully, and
any decisions on size should be based on the fishes SIZE AT
MATURITY.>> She is definitely wanting to add an Annularis angel.
<<Ahh...Pomacanthus annularis...beautiful fish.>> I'm
thinking that this would still be ok, but we should probably not add
any more after this. Do you think there's room for an
Annularis? I realize the tang and trigger can get very large
<<and that bird wrasse grows to a foot on the
reef.>>, but they're both still quite
small. Your input is much appreciated. <<To be honest
Steve, I'm hesitant about this mix of fish. The tank is
large enough for the angel (though at a mature 20" I would prefer
to see it go in to a tank twice this size) but will become quite
crowded as all these large fish grow. I think all would be
happier/healthier in the long run without the tang or the trigger; my
vote would be to remove the Hippo Tang (too skittish and disease prone
in small systems, IMO).>> Thank you, Steve <<Welcome, Eric
Russell>> A very hardy marine Angelfish - Annularis (Blue Ring)
2/16/05 Thanks for the quick and accurate response Anthony. Let me
ask you another question while your here, lol. I asked this before but
the other person didn't seem to be too familiar with this angel.
Would it be ok to start (I know it will eventually grow out of the
tank) off a 5 inch annularis (blue-ringed) angel in a 65g FOWLR with
about 65lbs of rock? <the fish is fantastic... but the tank is
way too small! Do a search for this angel on fishbase.org... see the
adult size and do consider that a strong swimming active fish of even
5" is too small for a tank scarcely three times as wide as its
length. It would be a disappointment to see such a beautiful fish
placed here> If it is ok to START with, at what size/inches should I
take him out and find him another home or get a bigger tank?
<many well intended folks mean to get larger tanks in time, but
never do (life, business, money, family, etc). PLEASE do not take any
fish into your care that you cannot properly house from the start. They
grow fast mate... or they stunt when not given proper care (and die
prematurely). A minimum of a six foot long tank please> There will
only be one other medium sized butterfly in the tank and some really
small bottom/rock dwellers. Thanks a lot Ant <I do hope you can keep
this fish... they are fabulously hardy, long lived and so beautiful.
Best regards, Anthony> Angel Stocking Pomacanthus/Systems 2/26/09 Hi
There, <Hello Thai> I currently have a 96" by 30" by
30" salt water set up with sump. Was just wondering if I can house
an Emperor Angel and Blue Ring Angel for life. <With a 375 gallon
tank, I'd say you would have a good shot at it.> Also wondering
if I can stock other fish with it such as Chromis, tangs and
butterflies. Will there be any issue with compatibility, and what type
of bio load would they produce. <Should not be any problems here,
just watch your stocking level.> I believe I've got adequate
filtration to house them but would like your opinion on the matter.
<Adequate doesn't tell me too much. Pomacanthus Angel Fish
require vigorous circulation and high water quality. Do read links
here.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/imperator.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/Pomacanthus.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/angelcompafaq.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marangsysfaqs.htm > Thanks in advance.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Thai Pham
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