A Question about Acrylic Tanks
We just has a 150 gal custom acrylic tank fabricated for us. The
one side seam has bubbles trapped in the entire length of the seam,
<... poor technique applying the solvent, filling the gap>
The acrylic material is ¾" so I don't think this is a structural or leak
issue but one of cosmetics. Is this typical of acrylic tanks or
<Mmm; not typical or desirable... >
The tank cost upwards of $4k.
<Well... likely to "be okay" in terms of the tanks integrity, holding
together... IF only on one seam... I might have the fabricator install a
support in the one/two corners (along the entire run) AND turn the
tank's back to the wall (if being installed against one)>
Thanks you in advance for your opinion.
<We used to fabricate up to 2"... would not allow such work out of the
shop. Bob Fenner>
Re: A Question about Acrylic Tanks 11/15/14
The tank is free standing in the middle of a room. There is some millwork
under and above but out in the open.
<Uhhh! I would not then (for appearance-sake) install the corner bracing...
BUT would extract a longer-term (five-ten year) guarantee from whomever
fashioned this tank. Don't know what they used to "off-set" (this statement
for browsers) the panels to be welded, but I would have used small piano
wire sections. Cheers, BobF>
Re: A Question about Acrylic Tanks 11/15/14
Hi Bob F
So your telling me this is acceptable and I should pay for the tank?
<WITH the stated warranty, yes. B>
Re: A Question about Acrylic Tanks 11/15/14
Thank you very much for your time
Re: A Question about Acrylic Tanks... seams/solvent
Hi Bob F,
Thank you for your help. The tank fabricator is stepping up to the plate. He
is sending a rep up to correct the problem.
<Please do make known his and your further impressions. BobF>
Internal overflow leak 5/29/13
Hello aquatic experts,
I'm sure this question is answered somewhere on your site but it has
defeated my attempts to find it. I have a built in overflow that has a
small leak at the bottom. The leak is between the overflow and the tank
so no water gets on the floor as long as the power stays on. But since
the leak causes the overflow to equalize with the tank any power outage
will drain the tank about 6 inches, which is more than my sump can
<Have to get a larger sump (volume) and leave the water level down
I currently have the pump off, and closed the return valves so this can
not happen but I would like to get my tank connected to the sump again.
Is there a way I can seal this leak without draining the tank?
<A couple of standard approaches... there are epoxies... that can be
applied/reapplied around joints, with or w/o another piece of acrylic (I
take it as the material of construction... there are repairs for glass,
PVC...). All require draining the tank... You may want to consider
inserting an overflow pipe, pushed or threaded (if the
bulkhead/through-put fitting on your tank is threaded)... Raising
it/this to near the height/level of your overflow teeth>
Both the tank and the overflow are acrylic. The
overflow is in the middle if the back wall and goes from the base of the
tank up, with the holes in the bottom.
The leak is somewhere along the bottom edge where the overflow meets the
base but I do not know exactly where.
<Again... likely just thicker, more viscous (less fluid, more molasses
like) Weld-on is the route I'd go>
Thank you for your assistance.
<Take your time here... planning, containers, friends to help hand out
the gravel and rock... can be done in a few hours time with all tools
and materials on hand... Oh, and DO get the larger and/or additional
sump for transit volume, test (unplug pump/s) to assure it won't
overflow. Bob Fenner>
Acrylic tank crazing in seams – 5/22/12
First, thanks for all the useful information your site provides. I
have read the information currently on the site for acrylic tank
crazing/cracking issues. I have a 64"l x 15"w x 24"h Clear for
Life tank which has 3/8" acrylic. Bought it used so I do not know
it's age. It had only very few minor scratches, no cracks, but
some crazing in the seams.
<Mmm, not crazing... but vacuolations... spaces/gaps where the solvent
(during construction) didn't flow to, seal face to face. Happens when
sheets aren't square, and/or not held close (enough) together while
I have never had a take this large or an acrylic one. Tested for
water tightness before setting it up and no problems - minimal bowing
when filled. Top brace looks good. I have set the tank up
and the crazing in the seams is concerning me.
There was some in the bottom seams, but very little. My real
concern are the side (vertical) seams along the colored rear acrylic
piece. I have enclosed two pictures of the most affected seam.
I have had the tank set up a couple of months, and although the crazing
does not appear to be growing, but either I did not notice the cloudy
fading horizontal bands layered up the seam (blue to lighter cloudy
blue), or it now has those cloudy bands.
I really need someone else's opinion of whether this is minor or could
cause a failure soon. The hood that is one the tank is very heavy
and I am wondering if this could be an issue?
<Not likely; no. This tank is good for many years of use>
It appears to be like most tanks that
have a wooden/particle board stand and hood to match.
<Thank you for sharing. Bob Fenner>
Re: Acrylic tank crazing in seams – 5/22/12
Thanks - didn't notice my typos until I read this back - sorry.
<Welcome; no worries. BobF>
Large Acrylic Aquarium Seams- Did I Buy A Problem?
Hi, we recently bought a large (300+ gallon) acrylic 1 inch thick
aquarium with center back overflow and nice steel stand. It has a
black acrylic back, is a nice deep shape, is 30" tall and
was not super cheap and is a hard to find shape (would not feel
happy throwing it away or putting a free sign on it). I just
noticed that some of the seams are not clear.
<I see this/these>
Many are but quite a few are not. The previous craigslist owner
said it did not leak at all. We have not filled it with water yet
because I wanted your feedback first. We looked for pictures that
looked like ours with what to do but did not find much, so am
sending the email.
I'm attaching pics for your feedback.
To describe the pictures I attached: Many Seams- quite a few look
like this Middle Left- towards the bottom of the picture shows a
whiter area of the seam Middle Left 2- shows the same area in the
back left of the photo Middle Left 3- close up of the same area
Top Seam- is a picture of an area of the top seam
What is your thought?
<I'd install square doweling (solvented) in all inside
seams. Read here re:
And if repair is needed where is good in southern California (we
are not capable ourselves) and is it worth it?
<See the "Yellow Pages" (analog and/or electronic)
re Plexiglas/Acrylic... you'll find sellers of tools and
materials, and fabricators... contact them re this repair if you
don't want to attempt it by yourself... IF you know and trust
a competent retailer (petfish) that does such repairs, ask them
And your website it a great service, we've used it before for
Thanks, Worried in So Cal
<Cheers, Bob Fenner, in not-so-sunny San Diego>
Clarity Plus Lifetime Warranty? (and acrylic tank
resurfacing/repair) -- 01/07/12
I have recently purchased a 300 gallon acrylic aquarium from c-list for
a couple bucks and thought I was getting a real deal.
<<Mmm, is often the case'¦till one sees the scratches.
But even so, this can still be a 'deal' if you're willing
to apply some elbow-grease. Returning the tank's clarity is not all
and I may have if I don't count for my labor resurfacing the
My question is and it's a three part'er; how would one go about
contacting the aquarium manufacturer being Clarity Plus (SeaClear, the
Casco Group and so on) to attempt to cash in on said warranty?
<<If this tank has been modified or repaired (other than
authorized) in any way, it's likely the warranty has been
I cannot find any contact info for them anywhere. Wondering if maybe
they shut their doors?
<<Hard to say'¦their products seem to still be on offer
though. You might try contacting a retailer selling their product, such
Assuming I am not lucky enough to cash in on that warranty and continue
doing the work myself, how clear is clear enough for acrylic?
<<'¦? You would be surprised at what
'disappears' when water is added to the
I have dry sanded from 120grit up to 400grit and then wet sanded from
400-4000grit and come back with polishing compound and have gotten it
<<This is likely sufficient'¦adding water will
However there still appears to be distortion from a few feet away.
<<Mmm'¦ This is from not sanding 'evenly' across
the entire surface of the panel'¦or at the least
'feathering out' the perimeter of the sanded areas. Failing to
do so creates what is called a 'lensing effect' and results in
the distortion you are now seeing>>
I can place a book inside and still read it but can't read it
looking through both panels (just a test for clarity no intentions of
<<Indeed'¦kind of like trying to read through two
stacked glasses lenses>>
Is the distortion because I boogered-up the restoration process on the
<<A likely scenario>>
or because the tank has some age and permanent-bowing to it?
<<A less likely scenario>>
Am I worrying to much and water will fix it?
<<Possibly'¦I would test and see'¦is possible
the lensing effect is not that noticeable/within acceptable viewing
(have not finished the resurface part yet to retest clarity with water,
but don't want to waste my time if its going to look like poop)
The seams of the tank in various places around the tank have turned
whitish in some spots. Almost like there is frost or ice between the
panels. None are very large maybe 2' at the most , but they do span
the whole 1/2' of acrylic. Never owning an acrylic tank I don't
know the risks involved.
<<Minimal'¦but again'¦a water
It would be my assumption that the chemical bond broke there just
isn't leaking (have done a 2 week leak test with litmus paper on
the seams to verify leaks).
<<Then you likely don't have a worry re'¦but while
the tank is empty and dry you can easily beef-up these inside corners
with triangular acrylic doweling>>
Do these need to be shored up with the square braces as suggested in
other posts or can I take a needle with solvent and forces it in the
joint? Or something along those line?
<<My choice would be the acrylic doweling'¦applied very
carefully; to avoid any further marring of the viewing surfaces, with a
'thickened' acrylic solvent like Weld-On #16 or Craftics
Any and all answers and suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
<<I hope I have served>>
<<Happy to share'¦ Eric Russell>>
acrylic tank, imperfections in joints
hi, huge fan of this web site, essential reading for fish keepers.
Think I've got a problem i need advice on, just purchased an
acrylic tank 48"Lx18"wx26"h. its made with cell cast
12mm acrylic. On inspection i noticed lots of small 1/2mm
bubbles on seam. there mainly on external edges but not just a
couple. I've spoken to the producer and he's said its normal
and wont effect strength much but I'm concerned about filling it
and will the life expectancy be reduced?
<Mmm, you're likely okay here in the short and long haul. The
quality may be a bit less, but this tanks should still function for
decades. Bob Fenner>
Re: acrylic tank 12/16/11
thanks for speedy reply Bob, will fill it tomorrow and hope for best.
Would siliconed external angle beads add any strength
<Almost none. Not worthwhile>
or am i better off leaving be so i can keep an eye for whitening or
crazing on these bubbles. thanks again.
<Welcome. I strongly doubt you will have problems w/ these seams.
180g acrylic tank... cloudy seams concern
I am finally getting around to setting up my 180g Clarity Plus
I have had the tank full for the past week doing a "leak
test" prior to putting in my living room without any signs of
<Good and good>
I inspected the seams, and I think they look ok and fairly clear
however on the vertical front seams (where the front & side panels
join) there are some cloudy / bubble like imperfections, almost looks
like frost on a windshield? The spots don't run across the width of
the seam itself, and there was no evidence of a "whiteout"
cloudy area across the entire seam. The imperfections are more
prevalent on the outside edge of the seam, but is difficult to tell how
far the extend across the seam - perhaps 1/2 way in 2 small spots but
in most spots they look to < 1/4 of the way across the seam.
I didn't notice the spots getting worse over the week the tank was
I tried to take a photo, but given the way the front panel is rounded
off as it meets the corner it was difficult to get a good picture.
Obviously with a 180g tank the last thing I want is a leak in my living
room, from your experience working with acrylic is this normal and what
is the risk of separation that would cause a leak?
<Some small risk>
As a precaution do you
think I should have the inside seams of the tank reinforced with
1/2" acrylic square tube by a local plastics shop?
<Up to you... for the long term; yes>
Thanks again for your time & help
<Glad to share. Bob Fenner>
Re: 180g acrylic tank 10/28/11
<Hi there again>
I mistakenly added my phone number at the bottom of the last email I
sent you, please delete if you decide to post it thank you!
<Oh yes; I mean no... We don't retain or reproduce folks'
contact info. w/o their express consent/urging. Cheers, BobF>
poor seam 6/5/2011
Hello; I have a 600 gal saltwater tank. One seam on a
1" X 1" acrylic 3' high corner has a
cloudy look half way up. .The rest of the seam is
still clear as well as all other corners. The tank is a 2 year old
reef-fish with many critters so emptying it would, I'm afraid, kill
some of my friends although I will if there is no other solution.
<There is none>
I was thinking of welding a strap down the seam
<This IS what I'd do... in ALL the inside seams... square
acrylic doweling is available... Solvent this in place with flat sides
to the two edges>
but then to make it look uniform I would have to do the same to the
<Yes... Again, best to do now for ALL inside seams/corners>
The corners have a 3/4" radius so I don't think I could wrap
around the corner and get a good weld.
<INSIDE, not out>
(also I don't have the knowledge to heat the acrylic to bend it
<Just measure carefully and cut to abut>
The tank is very odd shaped ( like looking down on an H with a tub in
one end of the H and a shower on the other with the aquarium as the
walls ) plus there are straps welded across the top tying each side of
the H together. What I'm wondering is there a way to mend that seam
without emptying the water or any other solution?
Does the #40 epoxy weld under water?
<Good luck w/ your project. If it were, mine, I'd get some
experienced help. Bob Fenner>
240 g acrylic repair question -- 10/19/10
I've got a 240 g acrylic tank that I just filled with water for the
first time and when halfway filled I noticed @ 0.5 ml of water on
inside corner bottom panel seam of internal overflow box. Can I just
silicone it from
the inside of box? It doesn't leak to outside of aquarium just to
inside of rear corner overflow.
<You can try this... Silastic doesn't stick well to acrylic...
but if it/this is only a pin-hole leak w/ little pressure... this fix
Do make sure the surface is completely dry and clean ahead of applying
the Silicone. Bob Fenner>
135 gallon Clear for Life acrylic aquarium, seam-dowel
I have a problem or worry about a future problem. I bought a 135 gallon
Clear For Life acrylic tank about 4 years ago. the typical 72x24x18 at
3/8" to cut cost tank. It was setup fresh for a few years and when
I moved I never set it up. Well I decided to setup a ray/shark tank,
until they outgrow it. When I got all of my other equipment together, I
filled it, and after the system was running for a minute (literally a
minute) the rear right seam blew and flooded my living room.
I got about half of the water out into my yard instead of my carpet.
After contacting advanced aqua tanks they repaired that seam by adding
a corner brace at the bottom and up the side.
<Yes. A/the common approach/repair>
I brought it home and filled it with fresh and it held. It did the
usually bowing but I am seriously concerned about it happening again. I
have read pages and pages about acrylic tanks and I can tell you that
it does not have that much crazing as my 125 Uniquarium(which is a
whole other problem). My
ultimate question is about using weld-on or a similar product to
strengthen the seams before I set it up.
<?... only to anneal more corner doweling...>
I read one of the last questions, Re: Acrylic Tank Crack
Repair/Drilling Acrylic -- 12/31/07, that someone recommended it that
maybe it would apply to my situation as well. I don't want to do
something that could weaken an already weak joint.
<It would to only add it to an existing/old bond>
Also, if you do recommend it, after it has cycled transfer my
inhabitants of my other tank to and do the same to the Uniquarium. As I
mentioned it is a lot worse off where the crazing goes completely to
the interior of the back panel of the sump area.
<I would NOT simply apply solvent to a crazed area... DO look into
sealing square acrylic rod, cut to size, in the inside joints>
I have other questions about the sump setup and return of the 135 but
until I read those articles I will leave them alone.
Thank you for your time.
<Do "chat" w/ others who have done this
modification/addition... perhaps have them help you one on one. Bob
Re: 135 gallon Clear for Life acrylic aquarium, leak
repair f' 3/17/10
Thanks for the direction! I contacted a local Plastics store and they
carry Weld-On and will cut pieces to fit the interior dimensions to
Weld-On to. No pun intended. In the corner where the overflow is, would
I want to adhere the joints that are in direct contact with the
water(the show side) or opposite?
<All inside joints>
Would it be wise to do this to the bottom joints as well, while I am at
In the end I want to jump to a 180 Hex
<Unsuitable shape and volume>
for the shark and rays but until then, I'm stuck.
Re: 135 gallon Clear for Life acrylic aquarium...
repair and system for Chondrichthyans -- 03/20/10
Thanks for the direction! I contacted a local Plastics store and they
carry Weld-On and will cut pieces to fit the interior dimensions to
Weld-On to. No pun intended. In the corner where the overflow is, would
I want to adhere the joints that are in direct contact with the water
(the show side) or opposite?
<... all inside joints need to be done>
Would it be wise to do this to the bottom joints as well, while I am at
it? In the end I want to jump to a 180 Hex for the shark and rays but
until then, I'm stuck.
<You sent this before... A hexagon shaped system of this volume will
not work for these fishes. BobF>
Acrylic Tank Repair Question -- 12/14/09
I recently purchased a 4ftx2ftx2ft Â½' thick acrylic
aquarium. It was made by a local who claimed it was leak proof.
<<I'm sensing this is not the case'¦>>
Well I took it home and it leaks around the bottom in one of the
corners and about 6-8' along one side bottom seam.
<<Uh-oh'¦sounds like reason enough to return it to
I can also see a lot of little bubbles in the seams. As well he
didn't square up the tank perfectly and one of the sides sits out
1/6' off the bottom sheet. I am wondering if I should try to use
some Weldon 16 and go over all the seams or if I should just get rid of
this and find another?? It is brand new but leaks!!!
<<If the joints have been well enough assembled originally to
keep this tank from simply bursting apart when filled, you can likely
salvage it by solvent-gluing some angular acrylic rod along the seams
(there is such made for this type application, see the Net re). I would
suggest not trying to 'spot-fix,' but rather, glue the
filler-rod along the entire inside bottom perimeter.
Although'¦being a new purchase, why not return it for a
Matt Thomas Utah
<<Happy to share'¦ Eric Russell SC>>
Livestock Acrylic Tank Leaking 10/2/09
Hey Crew. I have an acrylic tank that is holding livestock that is
leaking. I've been reading through the site and only see
suggestions on sealing leaky tanks when they're dry. Is there a
solution to seal an acrylic tank when it has water in it?
<Not really Ryan... Some "not real" repairs can be made
short term... wedging a piece of flush square stock (rod) into the area
of the seam leak... with Silastic... but really... the tank needs to be
dried, resolvented. BobF>
Re: Livestock Acrylic Tank Leaking
Ok, thank you Bob. I really appreciate the knowledge and experience
that WWM provides the aquatic community. It has benefited me greatly
over the years.
<Ahh! Am very glad for this. Cheers, BobF>
1" thick acrylic - Can we fix it? 9/27/05 Hello, I
couldn't find a similar problem to mine except ...leak leak...
leak. I have a very large 500+ gallon tank. It's 1" baked
acrylic on all sides. I have saltwater in it and have had it for like 6
- 7 years. It's completely built in to a wall and is supported on a
steel structure. We noticed some water damage on a piece of quarter
round that was trimming it and when we removed the trim water started
spurting from a pin hole leak. The trim was actually holding it in
check some what. I don't want to try and remove the whole tank from
it's location as it will cost major in carpentry. Will this acrylic
cement (northcoastmarines) work for this type of leak? How does this
type of thing happen after all these years? Kim <This tank can
likely be repaired... in place. Do look into square
"doweling" (this is sometimes only flush/ninety degrees on
two of the four sides... You must make sure the flush sides are affixed
to the corners. What needs to be done? Drain, clean the tank entirely,
cut the doweling to size to fit in all corners (yes, including the
sides), and solvent in... The extra bit of acrylic in the corners
won't be obvious in time. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Re: 1" thick acrylic - Can we fix it? 9/30/05
Thanks so much but where does one find square acrylic (I assume not
just plastic?) "doweling"? Kim <Should be available, as
well as solvent/Weld-on and cleaner from a large/r plastics distributor
in your town... or mail-order... Use your "Yellow Page"
directory, the Net to find. Bob Fenner>
Cracked acrylic tank 9/20/05 Well Bob, You were right,
only give it time....I've got a new one for ya. My crew and I were
installing a new 36" x 30" x 36" acrylic tank from AAT
today. As the tank was being set down on the floor, one of them lost
their grip for fear of getting their fingers pinched. The right front
corner of the tank hit the bare concrete floor from about 2 inches
up....that's when I heard that unquestionable cracking sound. I saw
my profits disappear before my very eyes. However, upon inspection, it
wasn't nearly as bad as I thought. The crack is actually in the
bottom plate about 1/4" in just beneath where the front panel
(front and sides are one piece with bent corners) is welded to the
bottom panel, about 6 inches from the start of the right corner radius.
This crack extends from the bottom surface upwards about 3/4" in
an arching pattern, almost like a rainbow...but not nearly as pretty,
and finishes back at the bottom surface. Its a pretty clean crack and
does not go anywhere near where there would be water. I figured that
because it directly underneath the front panel, that even if it extends
further over time, it would eventually dead end into the front panel
and because its almost dead center under the front panel, that there
would be plenty of material to keep it from leaking. Your thoughts on
this ???? Scott C. Wirtz >>>Greetings! Sorry it took so long
to get back to you, things are crazy for many of us here on the
"crew" and tons of queries coming in. Bottom line, it's
impossible for any of us to say for sure about your tank. I had a
similar thing happen though to a 300 gallon tank, and it was just fine.
Good luck! Jim<<< <<RMF would still run a bit of Weld-On
(of lower viscosity) into the cracked area>>
Need advice on
separating acrylic sheets... 8/27/05 Hi Bob, <Ed> My name is
Ed Ruiz. I'm in SLC, Utah. Seeing your vast experience in the hobby
and working with acrylic I hope I can get some advice from you. <I
see> I recently acquired a lot of 1/8 and 1/4" acrylic sheets
(24"x48") that had apparently been stored under less than
ideal conditions. I find that the sheets are still with their paper
masking on, but between each two sheets there is a yellow or blue
textile material that is holding them together. My theory is that they
were heavily stacked (too many sheets atop each other for a long period
of time - <In the heat...> I got them for free) and the masking
textile's adherent has bonded rather strongly. I have not
insistently attempted to separate the sheets and would like your
opinion, advice or suggestions. I will use the sheets to build
aquariums for a hatchery project I am working on. Ed Ruiz <Very hard
to separate... inserting long, thin metal strips between and prizing
apart is likely your only option... though this will very likely
scratch through the protective masking... Have you tried speaking with
folks in the acrylic business? Manufacturers of such do have
websites... I would get their input before proceeding. Bob
Re: need advice on separating acrylic sheets... 8/30/05
Thanks a lot Bob, your suggestion is exactly my wife's' and
makes sense. <Ahh, good company> As to the acrylic
manufacturer's or vendor's websites, they're more
interested in selling me a product for taking the paper masking off.
This tells me they did not pay much attention to my enquiry in the
first place. I'll go with your advice. Ed <Please make it known
how this goes... Years back I tried to do this... with piano wire and a
strong friends co-help, jamming thin metal strips twixt the sheets...
and getting the old masking off... what a lot of work besides! I would
listen to the acrylic manufacturer's, distributor's advice re
this. Bob Fenner>
Acrylic crack repair, opportunistic/typical
Moray behavior 11/11/05 I just bought a used 55 gal hexagon acrylic
tank. I was moving it around trying to determine placement when I
realized there is a crack in the top panel. No point in finding blame
now, I just want to know if I can save it or take this as a loss.
<Mmm, can likely effect a simple repair here> The crack,
definitely not crazing since I can feel a separation, starts from a
corner round of the large cutout and extends about 3 inch toward one of
the six sides. One more inch and it is going to hit the side edge!
I've been reading about using Weld-On and applying an acrylic panel
to the crack. <Yes> Also is drilling a hole at the end of the
crack going to stop it? <Not likely useful, necessary> Can I get
Weld-On at Home Depot if I were to try this? <Best to seek out from
a "Plastics" supply... look in your local Business Yellow
Pages Directory re> Should I worry about this crack since it is only
on the top panel? <Mmm, not much to worry about, but I would solvent
it closed> The tank is a standard 55 gal hex 24x24x28. It's
funny how things go wrong and just seem to spiral even more. I bought
the tank intending to make it a new home for my white-mouth eel about
15in, who has managed to eaten two smaller fish. Well he attacked and
ate my 6-7 inch lunare wrasse last night. I couldn't believe he was
able to swallow the wrasse or even catch it. What a sight! Thanks
<Welcome... an easy project/fix... Bob Fenner>
Repairing acrylic leaker 3/7/06 Hello, We are searching
for someone who can fix the leak in the seam of our large (8'W x
4'H x 2"D) acrylic salt water tank. <<Eeek!! A difficult
challenge at the least!>> The owner has said that he sign a
waiver that relieves the repair person of responsibility if the repair
does not hold. <<While there are several ways that this can be
repaired, no sane repair person will guarantee this work. The best
looking and safest repair will require emptying the tank, cleaning out
the defect and filling the void with a two part polymerizing adhesive.
A cheap and aesthetically non-pleasing repair could be made by gluing
an acrylic splint inside the defect with two-part or solvent adhesive
after cleaning the area with sandpaper. >> The leak is small and
is coming from the front left seam, about half way up the tank. The
tank currently is filled to below this level and still has fish in it.
Can you recommend anyone that could take this sort of job on? Regards,
Jennifer Ferguson, Woodwork Creations <<I don't know of
anyone to recommend. Beware that any repair does not address why this
occurred in the first place... was the tank properly built to begin
with? Is catastrophic failure imminent? Was the stand out of level?
Personally, I would strongly consider replacing the tank with one built
by a reputable builder. Best Regards. AdamC.>>
Leaking Acrylic Sump...Silicone Not the Answer -
12/12/06 Hi and thank you all for your support and knowledge.
<<Hello...is our privilege to share>> I have had my reef
tank for over a year now with good success. I am attempting to build a
custom-size sump inside the stand of my 125 gallon running reef. I
purchased the 3/8" acrylic and had it cut to size so the fit seems
to be good. I used Weldon-3 in all of the seams. I then let it dry and
used Weldon-16 to form a bead around the seams. <<Hmm,
shouldn't be necessary if the pieces are bonded correctly with the
Weldon-3, but won't hurt either. If you really want to
"strengthen" the corners/seams, you could cement in
triangular shaped corner braces (these are offered/can be found
"pre-made" on the Net)>> I filled the sump with
Â½-inch of water and the water leaks out of the seams.
<<Mmm, perhaps the "fit" was not as good as you
perceived. For the Weldon-3 to work properly the joints must fit
precisely to allow the cement to be drawn-in by capillary
action>> I tried to put another heavy coat of Weld-on-16 and let
it dry overnight. This also leaked. <<Hmm...just spreading it
over the surface isn't likely to help as you've discovered, but
if you can "force" this thicker bodied cement in to the
joints you might be able to fill the gaps/leaks. If the leaks are
many/large you will probably have to either cut the pieces apart and
recondition the mating surfaces...or have new acrylic cut/prepped and
start over>> The acrylic shop said I should use 100 percent
silicone to fix the leaks because it stretches. <<A poor
suggestion/option in my opinion...the silicone will not adhere well to
the acrylic and though this may seem to work at first the silicon will
eventually fail and leak...probably when you happen to be away for an
extended period>> I read on your website that silicon is not the
best answer. <<Correct>> Do you think this will work only
for sealing the water and not for the structure of the sump? <<A
poor solution for the former and disastrous for the latter>> I
also noticed the Weldon-16 does evaporate so the seal does become much
thinner when dry. <<Yes, the cement shrinks as it cures>>
Thank you. Darrell <<I would try the thicker cement again, using
a finger run along the joint to force it in (do make sure everything is
"completely dry"). If you aren't able to seal the gaps
this way then your best/safest option in my opinion is to remove this
sump and rebuild/start anew. Regards, EricR>> <If this fails,
RMF suggests securing a length of doweling (acrylic) cut to fit in the
corners (I'd do all inside seams while you're at it)... With
the Weld-On... Make sure and examine the doweling closely... it is
often convex on two sides... you want the two flat sides against the
current acrylic panels.> Acrylics, leaks and silicone?
1/17/07 Hello<,> I have a question. <<Hello! We got
answers!>> I have a<n> older large acrylic fish
tank<.> <I>t has several leaks on the bottom where the seam
is<.> <<Yeeow! Talk about a bummer. Older, meaning
"out of warranty"? >> I tried to silicone the outside
but it made the leak worst <worse.> <<Two things. One: You
don't ever seal leaks from the outside. It just doesn't work
that way. Two: Acrylic needs to be welded to make a seal, using
solvents, not goops. A popular method of bolstering every seam in your
acrylic tank is to use acrylic dowels (square) and bond them to every
seam. This procedure and more available at: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acrylictkrepfaqs.htm >>
<H>ow does <do> I fix this<?> <T>hanks.
William. <<You got it, W. -Graham T>>>
Cracked Tank Hi there Bob I just cracked the bottom of
my 180 gallon acrylic tank. Its okay it was empty. The crack maybe
about 10"long. I would like to repair this problem if possible.
Someone had mentioned to use "Weld On (I forgot the number) and
attach a new piece of plexi-glass to the bottom, he also said that even
if I glued the new piece on to the bottom the crack may continue to
grow until it reaches the edge. <Yes... I'd plan on this... you
can likely make a good repair by solventing (actually the process
here... not gluing) another thinner sheet of acrylic onto the bottom of
the existing one... over the crack and all else.> To remedy this
problem I thought about drilling a small hole at the two ends of the
crack to stop the crack from growing. Do you think this is a good idea?
or do you have any other suggestions? I look forward to your input,
<Do ask the folks at acrylic fabricating shops in your area, over
the Net what they would do as well. I would solvent a piece onto the
bottom and router off the edges. Bob Fenner> James
Cracked acrylic tank Do you see anyway of repairing
this type of thing? Could I drain the tank down and try some sort of
glue? Is there anything I could try before giving this thing up
completely? <Sorry to hear of this major problem. I would contact an
acrylic manufacturer about repairing this tank although I hold little
hope for repair. You would be safer just getting a new tank. At the
very least I would empty this tank ASAP and follow the suggestions from
the last email. You don't want to put this off until the whole tank
spills on the floor> Thanks for your patience with me. :) <No
problem...That's what we're here for! David
Acrylic tank-? I have built a corner tank with bent
corners( had a fab company bend) which cost a pretty penny. I tested it
out and there was a very small leak so I went back and applied more
solvent and tested again, no leaks. I have had water in it for about 3
weeks just to see if there would be leaks after a period of time and
there were none. In some of the seams though there is some air bubbles
I have tried to fill them in with solvent but it does not seep into the
bubbles leading me to believe that the edges are sealed. Do you think
that these bubbles could present problems in the future or what do you
think? <Likely not a problem if it hasn't been so to date. Bob
Fenner> Thanks for the info, James Wesley
Acrylic tank leak Hello. I recently purchased a used
125 acrylic tank and it has a leak. There is a crack on the bottom
right near the front of the tank. It does go all the way through the
tank and that is where the leak is. I was wondering if I could glue
another piece of acrylic or Plexiglas along the bottom of the tank
(inside) all along the front edge. If that will work, what would you
use to glue it? Should I use crazy glue and activator on the crack
first? Please help!!! <You can solvent (not really a glue... as
there is nothing left between the melded materials) a piece of acrylic
here (look for "square doweling" at an acrylic outlet
(it's only truly flush on two of the four sides, and you want to
fit these two against the existing panels). Look for Weld-on products
for solvent. Bob Fenner> Thank you, Ron
Tru Vu (acrylic tank re) Repair Howdy, <Hi there>
I am very glad I located your site and appreciate the valuable
information you offer. I am in the process of repairing a 55 GAL Tru Vu
acrylic aquarium which has some minor leaks. <Very unusual... I sold
these tanks for several years... none were defective, or became so>
I am concerned because I used the traditional method for a glass
aquarium and the tank is acrylic. Last night I applied DAP 100%
Silicone Aquarium Sealant to the length of the interior joints.
<Oops> Do you happen to know if Aquarium Sealant is going to work
or if I need to get out a razor blade and start all over with the
Weld-On product you mention in your postings??? <You do need to cut
out the silicone and use the solvent. Bob Fenner> Please advise.
Sincerely, Dan May
Help!! Tank blow out! Bob I have a tank that is 45
13/16 inches wide by 94 1/2 inches long by 33 7/8 inches tall One of
the long sides blew out due someone putting their full body weight on
the top while retrieving a fish. It first just popped the seam by a
couple of inches and this guy said he new how to repair acrylic tanks.
But as you can imagine he has disappeared. Now I have no one who can
repair my tank. Desperately seeking an acrylic tank repair person in
Downey, California. Sincerely, JC Benavides <The tank can be
repaired... should be drained, dried, and a square dowel inserted in
the (I would do the whole inside edges) inside corners... take care to
look carefully at and MARK the outside edges of the doweling that are
curved (IMPORTANT: Note that only two of the four dowel edges are
flush, the other two are concave...) and all solvented into place. Bob
Tru-vu built-in overflow question I just got a used
Tru-vu 100 gallon long (60x18x20) tank with 2 overflow on each corner.
Question is internal overflow size is about 6x6 do you know how much
gph is rated? I could not find this info from Tru-vu website...
<What is the diameter of the through-puts? You might call them as
well> I was thinking about using 1140gph external pump on this tank
but maybe this overflow draw more water than 600gph... <? What?>
Also due to moving this tank (forgot to take off bulkhead during move)
on both side near overflow area I have crack (not near by edge but near
by internal overflow L shape area) which is about 2 inch (Both overflow
area affected) <Bunk! Happens all the time.> I put 1/2" tick
(5x2 and 3x2)acrylic outside of overflow L shape and inside overflow
square shape acrylic (2x2) and glue them with tape plastic's glue
do you think this will be enough?.... <Should be... I hope
you're referring to having solvented pieces over the cracked areas
and holes and re-drilling them> once I have about 100lbs liverock
100lbs live sand and water... I am getting worried... <I would fill
and test it... outdoors> Maybe I should send you some pictures...
Thanks Chris <Bob Fenner>
Help! Acrylic Tank Leaking 07/02/05 Hello All!
<Hello Tammy> Have been rabidly searching your site (lots of
great information here) for about 45 minutes. I've found a few
suggestions to the problem I'm having, but was still a bit fuzzy on
the execution. (one recommended using dowels) The short short version
is this: I have a 110 gallon acrylic tank. Used for Saltwater. It is
only about 4 years old. I bought it new. It has only been moved once
since setup - I emptied it entirely and had it moved by pro's. It
has been in this apartment for 18 months without incident. Tonight I
decided it was time for the water change and drained off about 30
gallons. The front has always tended to bow - but I was assured by the
folks at the store that this was Ok. I suspect something about the
weight change made a seam leak - because all of the sudden I had a
steady drip-drip-drip in 4 places under my tank. (anywhere the stand
was drilled or even seamed it leaked through) And before I got the wild
idea to try and improve the water quality - there was no leak. (I'd
been under the tank changing the filter pad and carbon in the sump
first - so I'm certain of the "no leak" report). So
Yikes! So after deciding that all future tank work should be done
during normal business hours, I flipped over some Rubbermaid bins,
wiped them out - and started transferring water from the tank and the
fish. I now have an upside-down playpen over the bin safeguarding the
fish from my three inquisitive cats and 3lb dog. I've got the air
and heater running in their bin, so I think they're Ok for now -
though certainly not liking the close quarters. Where should I start?
Are acrylic tanks typically warranted? Do you expect I'll get
anything other than a "good luck" if I phone the store? I
know I'll need to scrub out the tank now - anything that you would
recommend to make sure that it's completely clean for repair?
Usually I just use my scrubby on a stick and lots of elbow grease...
but since I have the chance to take it down and really go to town on it
now - didn't know if you'd recommend something. Once I've
got it clean - Where do I begin to look for help locally? I believe the
leak is in the bottom seams because I got down to less than 5 inches of
water and still kept dripping. Is there something I can do myself? I
really hadn't budgeted for a tank replacement - and I'm afraid
this is my first leak. The fact that I'm on the 3rd floor and got
thru the whole incident without leaking onto the folks downstairs has
me reasonably confident that I could follow DIY instructions should you
have any for me.... :) Also - I'm a little worried that the leaking
could damage the structural integrity of the stand... Is that being
over-cautious? Or do I have more problems? My father will come over
tomorrow and help me lift the tank down for cleaning and I'll get a
better view. Maybe could put the hairdryer on anything still damp?
Thank you SO Much in advance for your help! And Happy 4th of July!
Tammy <Tammy, you need to start at the store where you bought it.
Most tanks have at least a five year warranty. At the same time, email
the tank manufacturer about the leak problem. Most will repair or even
send a new one upon receipt of the defective tank. James (Salty
Dog)><<RMF would actually start by filling the tank up
outside... with newspaper under it, trying to see if it is actually the
tank itself leaking... very likely it his a hang-on device
Re: Help! Acrylic Tank Leaking Hi Salty! <Hello
Redhead> Yeah, well you would think they would stand behind the
goods, but the store where I bought the tank has changed hands - and
the new owner indicated that he thinks that the guy that they bought it
from was hiring local acrylic shops to build tanks - as opposed to
selling tanks from national manufacturers. The guy was a little dodgy
as far as when I would mention looking for my warrantee paperwork, he
would just say that he was sure whomever made the tank was certainly
out of business. (which I loosely translated into - I'm not
honoring a warrantee?) Then the guy sat and wanted to sell me a new
tank, new stand, and then he tried to flirt. No game either. Don't
get me started. I considered telling him that I was flattered, but that
I was in a relationship and that my boyfriend was an attorney - loosely
translated, You'd better honor my warrantee or I'll sue cause I
have free legal. LOL! <I'm thinking when a store is sold the new
owner isn't responsible to honor any warranties, especially since
he didn't make any money on it.> But I really didn't want to
continue the conversation. Just awful. Instead of staying on point
about my tank, kept talking about what a pretty redhead I am - (my hair
is DARK Brown) Doh! Lousy service and just no game. :) Ugh. My tank is
a 110 gallon - measures 48 inches long, and 18 inches wide front to
back, and 30 inches tall. It doesn't look like Tenecor makes a
standard tank with those dimensions. Oh! And Thanks for the tip on the
self drill -vs.- ordered drilled. Important Safety Tip. Now if eBay is
a marker of what's out there - the folks making tanks like mine
brag that they're using the 1/2 inch - not that crap 3/8 that a lot
of people try to get by with. (dunno if that's true - that people
use the 3/8, that is) Tenecor does show a 140 tall: This model features
bent (seamless) front corners. Includes a clear acrylic top with filter
slots, access hole(s) and matching lid(s). Dimensions are 60"L x
18"W x 30"H Price: $913.00 While I can't find any
documentation on their site as to the thickness of the acrylic, I did
find a posting on another site talking about the thickness of acrylic
to be used... I've included the post content below, but the gent
says that his company uses 1/2 inch thick acrylic for tanks up to 30
inches tall and 600 gallons. He also mentions recommended/Ok
"bow" measurements. What to expect with glass and acrylic.
Dunno if it's correct - but thought I'd pass it along as well
in case your interested. Tomorrow I plan on calling my LFS that I trust
- and then calling their suggestion for an acrylic shop. I'll pass
along the prices and info that I get in case it's ever of any use
to you or yours. :) <If you don't live in a big town it may be
difficult to find an acrylic shop willing to build an aquarium and
guarantee it for a reasonable amount of time. Keep in mind if you are
or will be keeping corals, the deeper the tank the more wattage you are
going to require. James (Salty Dog)> Thanks again & Happy 4th!
(Damaged) Acrylic tank assessment 7/4/05 I am sorry
this is such a long post. I just don't know what exactly is
pertinent information, so when you know enough just stop reading.
Reading the posts made me think really hard, and try to be perhaps too
observant. I posted here because you seemed to know a lot about tank
integrity. <Okay> I brought home a free acrylic (I think, are
there other plastics for tanks?) <Mmm, really only very small
ones... acrylic/s have many names, are about all of the same
composition> tank today. It is a TruVu brand, 16 deep 18 wide 60
long. There are cracks in the top and I don't know the owner
(neighbor of an ex-boyfreind), so I can't get the history of the
tank. It looks like it belonged to a fraternity (stickers and
spray-paint and graffiti). My ex- did say he was told it doesn't
leak. <Actual cracks or just crazing? Can you feel breaks in the
material? These are indicative of cracking> I am afraid it will
fail. I am not concerned about a slow failure, I am afraid that some of
the cracks will just split with no warning after the tank is in use
some time. I also see what I think is some crazing. <Ah, I see> I
haven't filled the tank to test it because I wonder if I should
repair it first. The link to the repair story is broken, so I
couldn't read it. <Unfortunately there is no such piece... just
haven't gotten around to writing it...> If there is a quick easy
fix that may hold this tank together, I will do that first. <It may
be that the cracks can just be ignored (fill this tank outside and see
how it does), otherwise, the solvent used to weld the tank panels
together may be used to anneal the cracked portions (call, write TruVu
re Weld-On...). At worst, another panel (thin) of the same size,
cut-outs may be solvented to the top/cracked one> CRACKS: These may
have been produced by heat, as I read in other posts. My reasons for
thinking so are that the top of the tank is warped, and there is a
small area of the top that looks like it may be air bubbles. Does
acrylic "Boil" from heat? Also, the edges of the cracks are
warped and do not match each other. <Warping is common... these
tanks bend quite a bit with use/time... boiling is very bad> If the
cracks were caused by heat, might the tank be compromised to the point
that it will fail, because the top is an important structural member?
<Doubtful, but a possibility> My reasons for thinking it is not
heat is I do not see any blackening or discoloration. Also, one crack
actually extends down the side of the tank about an inch. Could this
crack be from an impact? <Yes, most likely... am starting to have
glimpses of "Animal House"> I haven't filled the tank
to test it because I wonder if I should repair it first. The link to
the repair story is broken, so I couldn't read it. If there is a
quick easy fix that may hold this tank together, I will do that first.
There are four cracks in the top of the aquarium, they all run from a
corner of the large cut out to the side of the aquarium. <These are
best repaired per above> The two in the back run from the side
cutout to the 1-1/4 diameter hole, to the back of the tank. One
CONTINUES down the side of the tank about an inch, this portion of the
crack is not perpendicular, but actually at an oblique angle to the
tanks surface. <Also best repaired> The tank top has two
rectangular cut-outs, two smaller rectangular cutouts, six 1/4"D
circular holes, and 2 circular holes about 1-1/4 "D. One of the
1-1/4 inch holes is not really circular, it looks as if a smaller hole
was drilled off center of the larger one, however the edges are nice
and smooth, so I don't know if these holes were homemade, or poor
quality control of the manufacturer. But the crack is not located near
this bump. CRAZING: It is a really sunny day and I noticed when looking
obliquely at the tank outside that there was a glittery sheen inside
the acrylic. It seemed to be pretty uniform throughout the back surface
of the aquarium, and I did not see any direction to it, just little
spots of glitter. I could not see them on the other sides of the
aquarium, but this could be because I did not turn the tank to the same
angle. I suspect that it is crazing. (If not, what could it be?)
<Likely crazing... though could be marks from solvent, local
pressure or heat stress> I cannot see it at all when the aquarium is
viewed straight on. And I don't think I could see it in indoor
lighting. Is a certain amount of crazing a normal occurrence? Does it
happen in every tank? <Is common> USE: When I first saw the tank,
I thought that it wasn't very useful for a display tank. Now I am
thinking that it actually would look pretty funky as a type of urban
community tank. What do you think of this idea? Thank you, Mary <If
you have the time, interest, worth trying to effect a repair. Bob
Re: Acrylic tank assessment 7/6/05 Thank you for your
reply. I was unsure about how to weld the cracks closed. The edges
don't line up, and in some cases, the irregularities of the edges
get in the way of realigning the acrylic. I took the tank into TAP
plastics today. They suggested that I drill a small hole at the end of
the crack before I weld. This will relieve any stress at that point
from the misalignment. <Interesting> This makes sense. (Lucky
that all the cracks end one inch from the top.) It is consistent with
the reason that larger diameter corners are stronger, the stress is
distributed over a larger area. <Yes> The weld-on #16 cost $3.05.
The piece of scrap would have been $1, but he threw it in for free.
Must have felt sorry for me, trying to save such a pitiful tank. He
should only see my car! LOL! <Likely> He thought the warp on the
cross member would not affect its strength, and that I don't need
to reinforce it. <Okay> He had no idea about the crazing unless
it was a solvent. I suppose its possible the gut tried cleaning it with
something weird. But I really don't think so, it is so evenly
distributed. <Is just "stress" over time mainly> I just
wanted to share with you the idea of drilling. Wow a 75 gallon tank for
$3.05! I'll let you know how things go with my experiment.
<I'd appreciate this> I will drill the holes, wash the tank
(soap and water he said) <Mmm, no... avoid soaps, detergents...
toxic to aquatic life, hard to remove, leave a film... water and
vinegar, possibly straight vinegar (white) for "scale"...>
and weld a piece of scrap over each crack. I am toying with the idea of
welding an acrylic divider in the middle to compartmentalize it into
two tanks, but I haven't decided yet. <Mmm, worth considering...
but hard to change later> I would prefer a removable divider, but
since the acrylic will flex, I don't know how I could do this.
<There are commercially made dividers, but these are a bit flimsy
for this sort of tank> Right now I really could use smaller tanks.
Well its time to stop blathering, and see if this idea will hold water!
<Real good. Bob Fenner>