Buffing An Acrylic Tank – 08/26/09
Hello,
<<Hi Michele>>
I have purchased a used 300 gal acrylic tank and while removing the old
paint from the canopy some of the stripper used to remove the paint
dripped on to the side of the tank.
<<Mmm…left some nasty marks no doubt>>
Now there are two lines where the chemical ran down the tank.
<<Indeed… It really doesn’t take much to mark up an acrylic tank>>
What would you recommend using to remove these lines?
<<There are various methods and products about. One of the best
solutions is the product line from Novus. These are liquid polishes in
various “grits” that you use in succession and can remove anything from
heavy scratches and abrasions to light haze. Another good option is a
product called Micro Mesh. This product is more like traditional
sandpaper but comes in very small grit/mesh sizes for buffing out
abrasions in acrylic/plastic. Try a keyword searches on the names and
see which you think suits you best>>
Thank you,
Michele
<<Happy to share… EricR>>
RE: Buffing An Acrylic Tank - 08/27/09
Thank you for your help! I will definitely check these out.
Michele
<<Quite welcome... EricR>>
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acrylic woes. Nah
5/10/09
Hey crew,
<Mike>
I have a Clear for Life 55g acrylic show tank that I've had set up for
around 3 years now. I chose acrylic because it looks nice, I liked the
rounded corners (at first...I don't like cleaning them though...), and they
are supposedly bomb proof since they are less ridged and don't have the risk
of failing at the silicone seams.
<Ok>
my biggest concern was scratches, crazing and cracking. Scratches and
crazing? ok...herding cats, I'm over it, but cracking was still a huge
concern, so the stand is on carpet (I have wood floors) to help level and
absorb any imperfections in the floor, and the tank itself is placed on 1/4"
Styrofoam sheet (as per just about everyone's suggestions) to help level the
tank and so on.
<Wow. Thoughtful>
anyhow, I'm moving in a week and completely restarting my tank. its been
broken down, livestock sold, etc, mostly I wanted to start something new
besides the usual community reef (I don't now what yet). getting to the
point, when sitting down to start some scratch repair, I noticed some
crazing around the rounded corners of my tank towards the top. I'm my
reading (on your site, on scratch repair) it said watch for parallel cracks,
particularly around the bent corners as they might be of some concern.
<Parallel AND interconnecting verticals may be...>
I've attached pictures of each side, they run parallel to the floor, the
right side seems to be worse than the left. Should these cracks be cause for
panic?
<Nope>
fortunately as I said there is no water in the tank but I'm a little
concerned to even think about refilling it since I read these cracks could
mean impending doom.
thanks
Mike
<Naught to worry about here Mike. These are akin to "stretch marks"... the
material weakened during heat bending/fabrication... not a cause for
feelings of dire doom. This tank will not fail. Bob Fenner>
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Crazing in my new/used 180 gallon
tank. 3/28/09
Hi,
<Hello>
I am pretty sure I have made a terrible mistake buying my first acrylic
tank.
<Oh?>
I am in need of serious help. I purchased a used 180 gallon "Sea Clear
Aquariums" fish tank.
<Am very familiar with the company (and its subsidiaries, other businesses)
and its products>
After reading your wonderful site, I believe it is "crazing" in the front
middle and around few edges/corners of the tank.
<Mmm, the one pic looks like repetitive impacting (maybe from a hood?) the
other appears to be crazing...>
This tank is only 3/8" thick all around, which I now realized it is much,
much too thin for a 6'x2'x2' tank!
<Mmm, yes... and "is" thick "enough" for these dimensions... though, if it
were me, I'd make these out of 1/2"... Do badly bow in the mid-back and
front...>
I was advised by an Expert that I can't fix the crazing but I can prevent it
from getting worst. I need to know from you if this is sound advise- I
will need to reinforced the top panel of the tank (between the two openings)
with three 3/4" or 1" thick pieces of clear cell cast acrylic. (2)6"x24" and
(1)23"x24" using Weldon #16.
<What? No... this won't help here>
The materials for this reinforcement will be around $100. Will this work?
<It will indeed! IF you can find, buy acrylic for this cheap, get all you
can, sell it at market and buy yourself a new tank!>
I spend a lot of money on this tank and do not want to spend more if I can
fix it.
<I would spend nothing on the present tank for a repair... it won't likely
"fail"... catastrophically...>
The tank is currently sitting empty in my garage. Please help!
I have attached pictures. Thank you in advanced.
Charlie
<How to state this better for you? Many acrylic tanks have such
imperfections... some getting worse quicker... Tanks et al. are fabricated
of thinner materials to "keep costs down"... What you have is not atypical.
Bob Fenner>
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Re: Crazing in my new/used 180 gallon tank 3/28/09
Thank you so much for the respond. I just want to clarify a few
things...
1. Are you saying that by reinforcing the top panel with additional 3/4"
thick acrylic will help prevent further "crazing"? This will help, not
hurt the tank.
<It will make no difference re the crazing.>
2. Will 1" thick be better?
<No.>
3. Will the additional weight (from the new three pieces) on top of the
tank "harm" the tank?
<No.>
4. Is it your advice that I do not need to "fix" this problem, but if I
want to (for my peace of mind), it will help the " longevity" of my
tank?
<No.>
The cell cast acrylic I am buying is from Ebay.
<I would not use this....there are some very inferior acrylics out there
even though they are cast.>
Thanks again!
<Welcome, for what it is worth I would just use the tank as is...as Bob
said it will bow quite a bit, that is the M.O. of this particular model
tank. Save your money for a future tank! Scott V.>
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Acrylic Seam Cracks/Crazing 7/3/08 Greetings, <Larry.>
I enjoy reading WetWebMedia on a regular basis. Thank you very much
for all the time you put into this site! <Ahh, thank you!> I
have a Clarity Plus 240 gallon acrylic aquarium (8x2x2) that I
recently purchased. The previous owner used it right up until I took
ownership of it. They just moved to a new home and have a 300 gallon
reef built into one wall. <Fortunate for them, and you!> The
tank looks to be in perfect condition except for the seam where the
top of the tank meets the front of the tank. All other seams are
crystal clear and look absolutely perfect. There are tiny cracks in
the seam itself. I have attached a photograph showing what it looks
like where the cracks are the worst. <Appears to be normal
acrylic crazing. This can form due to manufacturing, stress, heat,
acrylic used and about a million other reasons. Not really of any
concern so long as they do not extend past the seam.> I would say
that there are no cracks along half of the seam, minor cracks for
the other 30% of the seam and the type of cracks as seen in the
photograph for the remaining 20% of the seam. How much should I
worry about this joint? <No, just about every acrylic tank has
this to some extent in time. Given the location and lack of crazing
in other areas it was likely caused by weight from a canopy/lighting
fixture.> I read on your site that someone was planning to gusset
the inside of a seam with square acrylic rod and some Weld-On. The
canopy for this tank overlaps the top of the tank by about 1-1/2" so
I have some space to work with. Do you think that if I purchased
some 1/2" or 3/4" square or triangular rod and used some Weld-On
that would strengthen this seam substantially to take any worry
away? <You certainly could do this if it makes you feel more
secure, I honestly would not go to the trouble here.> What shape
and size of rod and which type of Weld-On do you recommend? <A
little will go a long way. Your tank is likely ½”, so if you were to
use ¼” rod you have increased the seam-weld area by 50%. It will
cost you little to nothing to pick up a piece of ¼” scrape from a
local plastic fabricator, you can cut some strips. Weld-On 3 or 4
will work fine.> Thank you for your time! -Larry <Welcome,
Scott V.> |

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Question on sanding out acrylic scratches in an aquarium 5/1/08
Dear WWM Crew, <Ave!> First, I want to thank you for the wealth
of information on this topic already available on your website. (see the
following link <http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acraqscratch.htm>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acraqscratch.htm for my previous attempt to
answer the following question). <Okay> I am excited to say that I
bought a beautiful 180 gallon acrylic tank (see attached pictures) and
am in the process of setting it up. Unfortunately, I created quite a
few scratches when I used a certain unnamed pad (looks like many others
have done the same). <Argghhh!> Now I am trying to fix the
scratches I made, but I am somewhat crash-strapped. <Heee! Like
those car test dummies?> I noticed that the micromesh sandpaper sets
(~$20 x # of packages I need to fix all my scratches .... E.g.,
<http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=11435&TabSelect=Details>
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=11435&TabSelect=Details)
are a lot cheaper than buying a complete acrylic aquarium repair kit
(~$100), but I am afraid that, given your karate kid analogy made
earlier (see WWM link above), I am signing myself up to more pain,
sweat, and effort if I try to use micromesh types of sandpaper than just
using Novus-like products. Here are my tools I have available: (1)
Powerful 1/2 inch drill, (1) Orbital Sander (1) My hands. <Good
ones... the drill will likely be too heavy to use here> Here are my
questions: What tends to make for the least work in repairing lots
of light and a few deep scratches? 1. Use the micromesh or acrylic
kits 2. With or without associated liquids (see Novus examples on
the following link:
<http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/plasticpolish.html>
http://freckleface.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/plasticpolish.html ) with
the drill or orbital sander attachment (at low speeds to avoid
overheating the acrylic) in your experience? <The latter, number 2>
3. Can I get by without the liquids, keep the power tools and micromesh?
I have a bottle of Novus 2. Should I get more, as well as Novus 1 and 3?
<I would get the other numbers/grades... as you'll see, they are
necessary... you're in actuality grinding down the surface... need to
make all scratching the same depth...> 4. What tends to make the most
sense to get the most professional looking results ..... I think your
answer to this one on the WWM link was "nothing", but I thought I would
ask since my question was a little more specific than the others.
Help....... Alex <You will be able to most definitively answer
yourself... You/I might try/experiment with the micro-mesh material...
but if it were me, mine, I'd "buff" out all with the Novus polish or
equivalent, and the orbital sander with soft pads... Bob Fenner, been
there, done this...> Re:
Question on sanding out acrylic scratches in an aquarium 5/1/08
Thanks. <Welcome my friend. Please do send us a follow up... and a
pic of your bigger arms! BobF>
Re: Question on sanding out
acrylic scratches in an aquarium 5/1/08 Will do, and thanks
again. I plan to possibly start tomorrow, and work thru it off and on
this weekend. <Ahh, put on some good music...> I am sure I am
pipe dreaming by hoping to complete one pane this weekend. But once it's
completed, I'll be sure to send you a picture. Thanks again, Alex
<Is actually not that big a job... given the "right tools" and frame of
mind... I've had some HUGE scratches there were a pain... these minor
ones will rub out... now, the edges... will take a bit more finesse.
Cheers! BobF> |

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Used 150 gallon Truvu acrylic aquarium 04/14/2008 Hi
there, I recently purchased a used 150 gallon Truvu acrylic
aquarium (72x24x20) that came with the stand and lighting for
500.00.I drove several hours to get it and didn't notice anything
wrong with it till I cleaned it and noticed these lines along the
seams. It's along most all the seams. My husband thinks I'm
overreacting but I don't want to find 150 gallons of water in my
living room. It does get complete bottom support with the stand. I
have enclosed a picture. Is this bad? The tank is up and running and
doesn't leak. Do I need to worry and replace the tank? Thanks for
you time Angie Smith <This degree of "crazing",
stress-cracking age is not problematical. You shouldn't have
problems here. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Re: Used 150 gallon Truvu acrylic aquarium - 04/14/08
Thank you for your reply, just to double check, these cracks are
along pretty much all the seams and they will not contribute to
failure? <Not substantially, no. Were they much "deeper",
penetrating to the "water side" this might be so... but as it is,
this tank has many more years of good service> Sorry if I seem to
be a pest just don't want to spring a leak. Thank you <I do
understand. Cheers, BobF>
Re: Used 150 gallon Truvu acrylic aquarium, CF lighting above.
- 04/14/08 One more quick question, would it be ok to have my
compact fluorescent over the top of the tank and the Eurobracing or
do I need to invest in lights that go over the two holes on the top
of the tank only? Thanks again, Angie <If the lamps
themselves are a good two-three or more inches above the acrylic,
and there is some circulation (passive even, from just exhaust
holes) you should be fine here. BobF> |

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Links 08/08/2005
Hi, I am a reefkeeper and regularly scan
your site for answers to questions. Very nice site, thank you. We
recently launched a company called Everclear Transparency Refurbishing
Inc (aka ETR-INC) at www.etr-inc.com We primarily sell acrylic scratch
removal kits and products right now, but are quickly expanding our
inventory to include other scratch removal accessories and maintenance
products. We also plan to add lots of useful information and tips to
help reefkeepers avoid scratches. Could you please post a link on your
site for us?
<Will gladly do so>
At some point we may be
interested in buying some ad space on your site but we're too poor right
now. Thanks again!
Regards,
Scott
Everclear Transparency
Refurbishing Inc.
www.etr-inc.com <http://www.etr-inc.com/>
scott@etr-inc.com
<mailto:scott@etr-inc.com>
<Bob Fenner>
More Myths
About Livestock Scratching Acrylic Tanks - 11/18/05
I recently
bought a 220gal Tenecor tank (72X24X24) with the Simplicity Plus system
with the intention of setting up a FOWLR system. I originally wanted to
buy a shark, but after reading your site, I realized that this tank is
simply too small for one.
<<Yes, and shaped wrong too.>>
I would
like to put a couple of triggers in though, maybe a Blue Throat and a
Picasso.
<<Cool! I have a Blue Throat in my Tenecor 375.>>
The guy
at my LFS said that triggers sometimes scrape their teeth along the
sides of the tank, and since this is an acrylic tank, I thought I'd
better check. I've never read about this behavior, have you?
<<Nope...probably falls in to the same category as the stories about the
Ctenochaetus genus of tangs scratching acrylic tanks with their
teeth...mostly wives tales. >>
<<Did you bring this up with your
wife? MH>>
I think you need not worry...and believe me when
I say...YOU will put far more scratches in the tank than any fish!>>
Thanks!
Robert in Texas
<<Welcome, EricR in South Carolina>>>Mmm,
do agree with the hobbyists causing more scratches... but have seen
trigger-made scrapes in acrylic... and a Pleco-destroyed one recently.
RMF<
What causes Acrylic crazing - 01/23/2006
Hello
<Hi there>
I have three questions that I hope you can
answer.
1. What causes crazing in acrylic? Does it normally occur
when the material is under tension or can it occur in raw sheets of
acrylic also?
<Mmm, some acrylic seems to craze much easier than
others (one could say this is a "quality difference" I suppose). And
some does this without actual construction, use, with time...
particularly if/when exposed to sunlight, heat... But most crazing does
occur in actual practice, in areas of higher torsional stress...
corners, near upper front seams...>
2. I have heard about a two part
acrylic cement that some acrylic aquarium manufacturers use, they say it
produces stronger bonds compared to standard the standard one part"
Weld on" cements. Can you tell me what this two part stuff is?
<Nope, don't know re>
I've never heard of it. It sounds like a type
of epoxy but I don't know why one would want to use epoxy to join
acrylic.
<As far as I'm aware, Weld-On and similar solvents actually
melt the acrylic together (not cement)... done "right" (square cuts,
clean...) there is nothing stronger as far as I'm aware>
3. I'm
planning a tank 120L X 24W x 30H using 1" cast acrylic for all surfaces.
I'm trying to keep bowing to a bare minimum for a tank of this size, do
you feel this height is safe for 1" thickness?
<Oh yes>
Have
been reading your site for awhile and respect your suggestions, this
site has been a great resource to many of us. Thanks again.
Sean
<Thank you for your kind words, acknowledgement. Bob Fenner>
Underwater Acrylic Scratch Repair - 06/29/06
Hello,
<<Hi!>>
I must have picked up a rock cleaning the acrylic and got several
scratches on my boss's 90 gallon tank.
<<Is easy to do>>
I
ordered the product above and would like your opinion on using it.
<<Is fine for small repairs>>
Can you really use this product under
water with the fish in there?
<<You can. The sanding action
obviously will liberate fine acrylic particles in the tank, but these
are not harmful to the tank inhabitants in my experience>>
Do you
know if it works well?
<<That depends much upon you. Follow the
directions closely taking your time, and don't "skip" grades
of abrasive. Also, be sure to "feather" the repair to reduce the risk
of creating a "lensing" effect. And if you find you need more/finer
abrasive sheets you can get them here without buying another "kit":
http://www.sisweb.com/micromesh/mmr_sheets.htm>>
I understand
it's time consuming but that is no problem.
<<Indeed...not an easy
task>>
Also we would like to buy a clownfish but we're wondering
which would be the less aggressive?
<<Mmm, in my opinion Amphiprion
percula is one of the more "gentle" clownfish species>>
Thanks for
your help!
Nancy
<<Happy to assist, EricR>>
Acrylic Tank Scratch Repair - 06/07/06
Hello,
<<Hello>>
I found your site on Google and wonder if you can help.
<<I'll try>>
A friend of mine recently bought a used 300 gal. acrylic tank.
<<Neat!>>
The problem is it's scratched from head to toe.
<<Common>>
We said we would make it a project to restore it and have
since bought a few of the Pentair restore kits, but this seems to be
making the problem worse. Spoke to a representative from the pet store
who informed me that it is impossible to fix that size tank with the
repair kits, it would take forever.
<<Indeed, these kits are meant
for touch-up/spot repair>>
I have however seen where you recommend
Novus.
<<A good product, yes>>
Is it similar to the scratch
removal kits in that you have to sand the acrylic, or is it just a rub
on formula?
<<Novus is a "liquid" with different grades of abrasives
used in succession. Best/quickest results come from using in
conjunction with a power buffer (electric or air), but can also be used
"by hand"...with much elbow grease>>
How many ounces would it take
to complete a tank this size (8ft/3ft/2ft)?
<<Difficult to say,
depends much on the degree of damage...but likely cheaper in the long
run than the Pentair kits>>
Also, I don’t know if I am pressing too
hard on the sandpaper, but I can't seem to get out all the lines I have
made. They are extremely fine but still visible at an angle, and hazy
in some spots.
<<Are you using the paper "wet"? Have you tried
buffing with the liquid polish? These kits are pretty good for small
touch ups on a tank that is "in operation" as you can use the abrasive
sheets under water. But given the fact that your tank is "dry", I would
proceed with the Novus product. You might also try posting your
questions/challenges in the DIY forum on Reef Central. There are
several acrylic tank manufacturers that frequently monitor the forums
that could likely provide some useful tips>>
Your assistance would
be greatly appreciated.
Much thanks,
Issaco Mignott
<<Good
luck with your project, Eric Russell>>
Scratch-Proofing an Acrylic
Tank...Not Practical Really - 01/21/07
I have a 90 gallon
acrylic tank (marine) that I'm setting up which is starting out
unscratched. I am planning to fill it with a lot of live rock, which
I'd like to allow to lean against the back, and side walls of the tank,
<<It's best to leave space between the rock and the tank walls for
adequate water flow to preclude dead spot/buildup of detritus>>
so
I'd like to put a thin layer of something inside the tank to protect the
acrylic from being scratched by the LR.
<<Mmm...not very practical
really>>
Ideally it would be black.
<<Then what why worry about
it if you won't be viewing the tank through these panels?
Since I
can't roll up a sheet of glass to fit it through the access holes in the
top of the tank, I'll need to use something that is flexible enough to
roll up and get inside.
<<Then you will have problems with the edges
"curling" as gluing something in place will be difficult and will also
"mar" the acrylic>>
What can best meet these criteria (and please
add any criteria that I should also consider):
1) non-toxic
2)
not very expensive (less than $20 for a 2 x 4 foot piece?)
3) looks
nice in the tank (not a lot of seams)
<<Nothing that comes to my
mind will fit these criteria for reasons I've already stated>>
How
should I affix the material to the back wall? If I use an adhesive, it
must be removable later and not hurt the acrylic (or the fish).
<<Again, not practical...pretty much anything that would hold will
mark/etch the acrylic>>
If I use silicone adhesive, will it discolor
or damage the acrylic?
<<I have seen this cloud/discolor acrylic>>
Will it adhere well enough?
<<As I see it, your only options to
black-out the tank back/sides is to either paint the outside surfaces or
affix painted panels to the outside surfaces...neither of which will
prevent scratches to the inside of course>>
If I just lean it in
there, will I have problems with live stock or algae getting back there?
<<Likely so, yes. Honestly mate, what you propose is just not practical
in my opinion with the small openings limiting the use of "rigid"
material and the adhesive "marking" issues. I think you'll just have to
bite-the-bullet and accept the fact the back/sides will get
scratched. As will the front, despite your best efforts...trust me I
know [grin]. On a positive note, if you decide to sell or use this tank
in a different configuration some day (e.g. viewed from two sides), the
scratches can be removed and the tank polished to look like new...though
not without a measure of "elbow grease">>
(I'm considering making
this an octopus tank)
<<Be sure to read here (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cephalop.htm)
and here (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cephsysfaqs.htm)
as well as among the associated links in blue at the top of the
page. Regards, EricR>>
What eats acrylic?
Dear Bob,
A quick thank you for all you’ve done for us “salts” out there.
I
reference WWM frequently and often and thank you and Lorenzo for all the
time, effort, and sage advice you’ve devoted to people’s better
understanding of the life forms and biotopes they keep.
<A pleasure
and honor my friend>
I have a question regarding what I believe to be
radula marks etched into the surface of an acrylic tank. I recently
helped a friend break down his 40 gal. tank (SeaClear or TruVu, I’m not
sure which). He had (sadly) neglected any maintenance on the system
since his last specimen died some two years ago, only adding top off
water. Needless to say it was a huge mess, but somewhat of an
interesting study from a scientific perspective. As I began to scrape of
the thick filamentous algae covering all sides of the tank, I noticed a
haze on the front panel. Upon closer inspection, this haze was a pattern
of etchings in the acrylic surface! The pattern matches that which I
have seen snails (esp. turbo) leave as they graze through a patch of
Cyano. Is it possible for snail’s radulas to be so hard as to etch into
the acrylic?
<Yes... for browsers, many gastropod mollusks have a
rasping mechanism... a "tongue" called a radula (important in its
characteristic make up for species identifications at times) that is
constantly being regenerated in the back of the mouth, worked by a
muscular device, the odontophore... that these various "snails" use to
scrape away micro/macro algae et al. from hard surfaces as food... Some
have modifications, additions of specialized salivas, bore into shells,
melt rock...>
I am wondering if you have ever encountered this, and
if so, what species of snails you have associated it with. I am sure
this info would be quite interesting to everyone out there with an
acrylic reef tank.
<I have seen this sort of marking... and simple
"stress fracturing" that looks similar... in acrylic tanks. Don't know
which specific species might be involved though. Bob Fenner>
Sincere
Thanks,
Karl
Is acrylic scratch remover safe for fish?
Hello Mr. Fenner,
I just got finished putting my new tank together. I
have the powerheads, the heater, and the aragonite sand and water in. I
have not yet put it the salt. I'm just testing the components and
letting the sand dust settle. While inspecting my tank, I noticed in the
light that there seems to be a very slight haze in a couple upper
corners of the tank. I believe it might be from the TruVu SRK (scratch
remover kit).
<This may be so... or typical "stress fracturing"
marks from heat-bending in those areas>
I might of accidentally not
rubbed off all of the scratch remover paste thingy. The water has a oil
spill type look when viewed at a lower angle. Is this bad? Shall I take
out the water and wash the tank again? Please help. Thank You.
<Ahh,
our businesses (retail and service) used to sell many TruVu/Aquaplex
tanks... and I've spent many hours with the green and tan pastes you
mention in their scratch removal kit. This material is not toxic. I
would not take the tank down, or worry. Bob Fenner>
Stan
Taking out scratches from the inside
Bob,
do you know of any
acrylic scratch removal kit that works underwater?
<No... all require
draining the system at least down to the level of the work. Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Lee
Re: Is acrylic scratch remover safe for fish?
Thank you very much. That is what some people suggested on ReefCentral,
but to hear it from an expert like you makes me feel so much better.
Thank
you again and have a Happy New Year.
Stan
<You as well my
friend. Be chatting. Bob Fenner>
Crazed Acrylic/Tank Cleaning
4/12/07
Hi Crew,
<Hello Christine>
I was wondering if
there was any way to fix crazed acrylic in an aquarium?
Is it just buffering it out, or do you have to just replace the acrylic
(which would be hard considering I'm talking about a seamless tank)? I'm
asking because I am considering buying a 100 gallon tank, but it is
crazed in the center of it- almost 1 ft across and almost the entire
height. I have no knowledge how it happened,
<May not be crazed,
but scratched from cleaning with abrasive material. Generally, this
won't be quite as noticeable with water in the tank. My advice would be
to buffer the acrylic with an acrylic cleaning kit such as
Lifeguard's. This will remove scratches, but if it is crazing, it won't
help much. Drs. Foster & Smith sells this product for around $20.00.>
do you know any reasons why acrylic crazes?
<Generally from stress
and/or cheap acrylic which is more brittle than quality acrylic geared
for aquarium use.>
Thanks for your help, your website is terrific!
<You're very welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Christine
Scratches on Acrylic Tanks
Hi Bob,
<Good morning! Steven Pro
in this morning.>
I have an old 125 gal. acrylic tank with scratches
from rocks falling and coral pieces bumping into the tank.
<A common
problem with this material.>
How do I remove the scratches?
<There
are various products on the market for buffing/polishing the acrylic to
like new status.>
The tank is empty now,
<Which makes this
procedure much easier.>
and has been torn down for about a year. I
would like to set it back up but I would like to try to make this tank
look like new. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Kevin Shimabuku
<Check out any of the dry goods e-tailers for acrylic
repair/polishing kits. -Steven Pro>
Scratches (acrylic repair)
Hi Bob,
I have a 300 gallon acrylic reef tank that has a few
scratches in it. I ordered some MicroMesh scratch remover pads from an
acrylics shop on the web that can be used to "polish" out the scratches
without using any scratch remover compound.
Is it safe to use these
polishing pads inside the tank to buff out the noticeable scratches in a
small area ?
<Yes... but does require that you lower the water level
below the area to be smoothed out. Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Chuck
Spyropulos
Acrylic
Do you know of any way to buff
scratches out of an acrylic tank? Thanks! :)
<Yes... have spent a
bunch of time trying to do so... slight liquefied abrasives, to papers
to "heat burnishing". Please use the Google search tool on our sites
homepage or indices (on WetWebMedia.com) with the terms "acrylic repair"
or "scratch removal". Bob Fenner>
Elizabeth K. Birdwell
Acrylic Scratches
Bob-
<Scott F. here this afternoon>
I
recently purchased a 65 Gallon acrylic tank. Not thinking I scrubbed the
inside of the tank with a Scotch pad (green, abrasive cleaning pad).
<Made that mistake before, myself!>
I then installed my power compact
lighting and turned it on and to my dismay I saw that I have tiny
surface scratches all over the inside of the tank. Is there anything I
can do to remove them? PLEASE HELP ME!
Thanks, Mike
<Well Mike-
this has happened to just about everyone who's ever had an acrylic tank-
so don't beat yourself up over it. There are "repair kits" available to
remove surface scratches, but they do involve sanding with various
grades of specialized sandpaper. The scratches can be removed, but the
work is kind of tedious! Do consult the dealer where you purchased the
aquarium for a source of these kits, then get to it! Good luck!>
Need help please (scratch, opacity from acrylic tank repair)
hi
bob I bought a 60 TruVu tank and had a scratch in it my LFS gave me some
srk-1 to remove it now I have a big smudge is there some thing you can
suggest I can buy to polish that out thx for any info
<There are
"finer" polishes (often scratch-removal kits come with more than one
grade) to "polish around" such hazy areas... in a pinch, if the area is
small, you can even use a gritty oral dentifrice (aka toothpaste) and a
soft rag to buff out such blemishes. Bob Fenner>
Acrylic Nightmare
Hi,
<Hi there! Scott F. with you>
This is
in response to a prior FAQ. I have an empty 55 gallon acrylic tank
that's in need of some serious scratch removal. I wanted to know if the
headaches in trying to do this myself is worth it. I've seen a few of
the various kits that are available, but I want to know if there's any
one particular kit that is recommended over another. If it's feasible,
I'd like to get the tank professional restored but I don't have any clue
where to
take it. I live in the Orange County/Los Angeles
area. Please help! Thanks so much.--Chris Sartor
<Well, Chris-
"worth it" or not is a relative term, I guess. Depending on the severity
of the scratches, it may be almost impossible to get 'em all without
days on end of work. I won't kid ya- it's a very tedious process, and if
you're doing a lot of scratches, it can become a "lost cause" at some
point. However, if you have the time, and don't mind the effort- you can
certainly pick up a tank at a good price and get it quite a bit nicer
than it is now. As far as having it professionally restored- this may be
one of those things that make it not worth the $$$. If you can find
someone who can do it, they may charge enough to make purchasing a new
tank look attractive! I'd try contacting a manufacturer or two for
possible referrals. In the LA area, I think you could call Advance Aqua
Tanks (Clear For Life), and see if they have some ideas. Good luck!
Regards, Scott F>
Scratching His Head Over A Scratched Tank!
Aloha WWM Crew,
<Howzit? Scott F. with you today>
Thanks for all
your help. The service you provide is second to none (no ka oi).
<Thanks for the props! Glad to hear that we've been helpful for you!>
I have written a few times about my 55gallon FOWLR. I'm thinking about
purchasing a used 200 gallon acrylic tank, but I have some questions
before I jump into such a big investment. First, the tank has many
huge scratches on the inside as well as the outside of the tank. The
current owner has many kids that destroyed the outside of the tank.
<Those darned kids... :)>
There are so many scratches that you can
barely see into the tank. The tank is a SeaClear and seems to be in
good condition
minus the scratches.
<An all too common problem
with used acrylic tanks! But also a common reason why used acrylic tanks
can sometimes be had for cheap prices!>
I was wondering if the tank
would be worth the headaches of trying to remove all the scratches. Are
there any other issues I need to be aware of? Could the scratches lead
to a leak or cause the tank to crack?
<Well, Jeff- if they are
basically surface scratches, they can actually be removed with a special
sandpaper kit made especially for this purpose. It is a rather tedious
process, unfortunately...but it does work! As long as the scratches are
not "deep", or near the seams, then the tank is probably structurally
sound...Do check on the condition of the chemical "welds" on the corners
of the tank, to make sure there are no signs of them pulling away from
each other. As long as the tank is structurally sounds, and as long as
you're up to the challenge of sanding away the scratches (and if the
price is damn good!), you may be able to score a killer deal on a tank
that you can get lots of usage out of. Do check our sponsors for these
acrylic refurbishing kits. There are other places on the net that offer
these special grades of sandpaper. It's worth a shot.>
Mahalo Nui
Loa-Thank you very much, Jeff
<Malama Pono and Ahu'i Hou! Regards,
Scott F>
Acrylic tank cracks? (crazing)
>Hi all at
WetWebMedia,
>>The crew says hello, Marina at your service.
>First
I must confess your website has been a great help to me for the past
year in looking up what to do when in doubt with my current trigger
FOWLR set up.
>>What a confession. Now, what penance...10 lashings
with a wet noodle, then eat the noodle.
>Now, on to the point...
>>Oh yes, there was a point. Having too much fun, back to work!
>I
have recently purchased a used acrylic tank 76 1/2 x 15 x 30 (made by a
local company). The tank has an overflow to the left side and that is
why it is longer than 72 inches. Total volume
is 150 gallons. Now,
the previous owner had attached a piece of plywood or strip of wood
across the upper edge of the tank to support a DIY canopy. While I was
cleaning the tank I removed
the wooden strip which was attached with
adhesive tape. Immediately I noticed a series of parallel marks that
looked like cracks on the outside of the tank. There are 3 clusters of
less than an inch marks/cracks on the upper side (roughly half an inch
before the brace starts). I'm not sure whether I caused that my pulling
the wooden piece , or whether it was there from before and the previous
owner had attempted to conceal it.
>>Bingo, I think it was there and
he wanted to conceal it.
>Also, the same marks appear on the back
side of the tank along the upper side but they are not as long. This
leads me to
believe that I did not cause the damage (if it is to be
perceived as damage). Do you think if filled with water, it will cause
a leak down the road?
>>Very well could be a problem. I have a
recipe for filling such "tight" cracks (please, please, let's keep it
clean here), but have never used it on a tank that is so peppered with
these cracks.
>Should I make arrangements to have it repaired, or
sell the tank? This will be a FOWLR tank with 1 niger, black patch, blue
line
triggers. Currently, all are at 3-4 inches long. I would
greatly appreciate an opinion on this...keep up the good work on
WetWebMedia.
>>Well, if there is someone who can make good repairs
and they can price them out for you, allowing that the repairs are not
going to end up costing you the price of a new tank then I don't see why
not go that route. I would first fill the tank in my yard, on a flat
area, to determine several things. First: is it going to leak? Second:
are the cracks just so unsightly that I don't want this as a display
tank. Third: are the repairs proposed (my recipe will only stop leaks,
you'll still be able to see the cracks quite well) cost effective. At
this point, only you can determine these things, then go on from there.
>>My recipe for repairing these cracks is that you must first ensure
that they are completely free of any and all debris, including any
mineral/salt deposits. Once the cracks are to a pristine state, you
need on hand liquid cyanoacrylate (Superglue) and the catalyst used for
acrylic nails, and a small metal stick (like the tool used to push back
cuticles...hey, I'm a lady!). What you want to achieve is to get the
Superglue to seep into and fill the cracks completely, then IMMEDIATELY
place a drop or three of the catalyst onto it. These substances react
with each other (the hotter and drier the weather, the more immediate
and extreme the reaction) to fuse with the each other and the acrylic to
form a tight bond. However, as I said, you will still be able to see
the cracks--this is a method I've used on non-display tanks only.
>>Good luck! Marina
Location of marks
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| """" """ "" |
Hope
this helps to visualize
| | what
I wrote above.
| |
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_______________________________________________________ <-- front
panel.
Front panel 1/2 inch thick. Bottom panel is 1 inch thick.
Acrylic tank cracks?
>Thanks for replying Marina,
>>My
pleasure, Dimitris.
Well, I called the LFS that sold the tank to the
person that I bought it from and the local guru there said that if those
clusters of lines are not close to the seams or corners, I shouldn't
worry about it. He said I might want to buff it with a 3500 rpm electric
drill, but he thinks due to the thickness
of the front acrylic panel(
1/2 inch) that it should be ok.
Personally, I could not see any of
those surface lines |||| |||| |||| extend past the surface. They had no
depth, just like those spider web like ones on the back panel. I guess I
will fill the tank up with water to see if it will leak.
>>By your
description, it sounds as though the only problems you'll have will be
cosmetic. C'est la vies! Marina
Tough acrylic cleaning
question
I have purchased an acrylic tank from a friend. He had
applied some clear shipping tape to the openings in the lid. I have
tried elbow grease and my credit card but the stuff just isn't coming
off very well. I've looked around on your site and didn't find anything
appropriate to my situation. I know not to use Windex or anything else
ammonia based. I've thought about goof off but that's petroleum based.
Do you have any ideas.
Thanks
<I would try "citrus based cleaners"
here first. Do with the tank empty and make sure and wash any residue
from the surface. Bob Fenner>
Re: tuff acrylic cleaning
question, repair
Thanks Bob,
I ended up having to use lighter
fluid to clean this stuff off, it was caked on pretty good.
<As long
as you're "right there" wiping off the excess (so it doesn't melt the
acrylic) this works pretty well>
I have another question. I found two
small chips on the corner of the bottom plate, about 1/4" around and
maybe 1/8" deep. The acrylic is 1 inch think at that location so I don't
think it will be harmful. Do you think that I can put some acrylic glue
in the chip just to give it some strength in that area.
<Might help.
Have you considered adding some "square doweling" in the corner. This
stuff comes in stock sizes with two of the four sides "square" and the
other two a bit concave. You solvent (as in with Weld-on) the two flat
sides to the tank inside corners. Bob Fenner>
Thanks
Scratch
removal and polish on inside of tank using Novus products
Great
site for info!
I have a Tenecor 180 gallon acrylic tank that has
numerous fine to moderate scratches in the upper half of the tank as a
result of five large red hooks bouncing off the front panel when it
tries to compete for food against a 20 inch jardinei.
<Neat>
I am
removing the red hooks and want to remove the unsightly scratches inside
the tank. Tenecor sells a group of products called Novus #1, 2, and 3
that is supposed to remove these scratches, as well as a micro mesh kit
that does the same.
<I have used these products. They work... but the
micro mesh reminds me of the Karate Kid series of movies... rub on, rub
on... and takes about as long to remove the finer scratches it makes as
re-watching the whole series!>
In doing the scratch removal, I would
prefer to use the Novus products The micro mesh kit seems very tedious
and I do not feel comfortable with the acrylic particles being sanded
off and mixed in with the water and substrate.
<Me neither>
But is
it safe (non-toxic) to use Novus on the inside of the tank after the
water is taken out of the tank to the level of the lowest scratch; or am
I stuck using the micro mesh sandpaper?
<I'd try the two grits of the
Novus first>
If I can use the Novus product inside the tank, is
there additional prep needed after the scratches are removed and the
front panel is polished, before I can refill the tank?
<No further
prep... just wipe up the bits of "scum" with a damp paper towel>
Thanks for the help!
Steve
<Thank you for writing, good luck. Bob
Fenner>
Re: follow-up on removing scratches in acrylic tank
using Novus, and visit to Phoenix
Thanks, Bob, for your very
prompt response!
It is comforting to know that your experience shows
Novus 1, 2, and 3 can be used on the inside of an acrylic tank without
harm to the fish. I bought the Novus 1, 2, and 3 yesterday afternoon.
<Wish I had made these products!>
As a follow-up to my earlier email
to you, can I leave my large jardinei in the tank while I am working on
removing scratches with Novus 2, and if necessary, Novus 3. That is,
from a chemically (nontoxic) safe standpoint?
<As far as I'm aware,
yes. Have used these in "full tanks", fresh and marine, with impunity>
There will be about 4 inches of water for him to stay wet;
<And not
jumping out!>
the lowest scratch to be removed is an inch above this
water line.
Thanks in advance for your advice!
BTW, Phoenix has a
dry heat this time of year ... and its been mild this week. Its the
August monsoon that you want to avoid.
Steve
<Will be out there
this Thursday with some friends/associates, giving a pitch at the DMS
(Desert Marine Aquarium Society). Stop by if you'd like. Bob Fenner>
Acrylic Tank Scratches
Hello all:
<Hi there>
Just a real
quick question so I don't botch things up. We have a 125G acrylic that
has developed some scratches on the front panel. I must have failed to
notice a tiny bit of gravel in the pad while cleaning, as I am vigilant
about making sure that no debris is in the pad before I use it on the
panes.
<Good idea>
Nonetheless, I went on the website and found
Bob's response to a similar query, where he recommended using a gritty
toothpaste to remove minor scratches. I was wondering if this procedure
can be done while the scratches are under water. I can apply the
toothpaste without any difficulty, as the scratches are within arm's
reach. However, I am very concerned about the effects, if any, that the
dissolved toothpaste may have on my fish.
Thanks for the
clarification.
Mitch
<Mmm, they may end up with "whiter, brighter
teeth" and a "significant reduction in dental caries", but should
otherwise be fine. Bob Fenner>
Re: Acrylic Tank Scratches
Thanks, Bob...I am sure that my porcupine puffer, with his sizeable
bite, will appreciate the brushing! I will try and get a paste that is
recommended "by 4 out of 5 members of the American (Fish) Dental
Association."
Mitch
<Ha haha, heehee! Be chatting. Bob F>
Acrylic Scratches
A few months back you mentioned a way to remove
scratches from acrylic aquariums even under water. Due to travel
requirements I was out of town for the next few days and missed it if
you elaborated on the subject. I have checked the web site I was
directed to by Bob but still haven't found any specific
instructions. Can you please help me out? Thanks
<Alright, I hope
you can find this one! Most scratches can be polished out, depending on
depth.... There are kits available from most on-line suppliers carrying
acrylic tanks that use abrasives in finer and finer grades to remove the
scratches and restore a lustrous finish, even under water with some. You
might start by searching for these products at some of our
sponsors! Thanks for your patience.....Craig>
Invertebrates
that scratch acrylic tanks 5/11/03
Hi can anyone tell me which
invertebrates can scratch my new acrylic tank? And which ones won't do
any damage to the tank? Thanks, Ron
<mostly limited to mollusks with
a radula (hard rasping tongue-like aspect- Gastropods predominate.)...
and some echinoderms. Generally not a big deal. Best regards, Anthony
- Scratches in the Acrylic -
I have an acrylic TruVu aquarium and
it is scratched on the outside and looks hazy in some parts. What
can I do or use to take these scratches out? Yoquin
<There are
several commercial 'acrylic scratch-repair' kits out there. Look on the
online retailers and you will find them. Cheers, J -- >
Coralline Algae and Acrylic Aquariums 1/14/03
Hi Bob or Crewmate,
<Hi Joseph. Adam here tonight.>
I haven't even received my custom
acrylic tank and I'm already fretting over scratches. Bob, in his book
The Conscientious Aquarist recommended acrylic tanks over glass. I just
started reading The Reef Aquarium and Delbeek and Sprung suggest that
acrylic tanks are more suitable for fish only because cleaning the
coralline algae off the walls will scratch the acrylic due to the
calcium.
<A question for the ages! Some folks swear by acrylic, some
swear at it! Acrylic is a better insulator, is clearer, is lighter and
is more shatter resistant, but scratching can be an issue.>
Just how
much of a problem are scratches with an acrylic tank? If I am careful
and use the proper tools to clean the tank, will I be able to enjoy
watching a marine environment in my home for many years without seeing
obvious scratches on the acrylic panes? Even though I am willing to
invest substantial time, energy and money in setting up and maintaining
a reef aquarium, I am not willing to do this if, after a few years, I am
seeing a scratched viewing panel first and a reef second. I would just
as soon fill the 145 gallon tank up with freshwater and goldfish. Thank
You, Joseph Rouse
<There are a few tips for keeping acrylic tanks
scratch free. First, clean it often to prevent heavy build up of
coralline (a cleaning magnet is a great aid here). Second, be very
careful to use acrylic safe tools and don't trap any sand or grit in the
tool. Lastly, just be generally careful in how you work in the tank,
place rock, etc. There is no doubt you will get some scratches, but
under water they are nearly invisible and shouldn't detract much from
your viewing pleasure. Best of luck! Adam>
- Acrylic
Scratches -
Good morning,
My question is as follows: I have an
acrylic tank and while I was setting it up a few scratches appeared
inside the tank and I would like to know how I could polish it, I have
read about a tool called router, but I have no idea if it is the tool I
need or if I could introduce it inside the water. <A router is not your
friend in this endeavor and in fact the only power tool practical for
such things is your own arm-power. There are a number of scratch-removal
kits which involve fine grade abrasives... some can be used wet, others
must be used dry. Both types are available at most online retailers. You
find however that it takes longer than is practical with less than
satisfactory results... you might just want to get used to the
scratches.>
Thank you very much. Jorge
<Cheers, J -- >
Can Some Fish Scratch Acrylic?
Bob,
<Yes>
I have read at
one website that some fish will "mouth" the sides of an acrylic tank and
make scratches. The fish listed included angels, butterflies and
triggers. Is this something for an acrylic aquarium owner to be
concerned about?
Joseph Rouse
<Mainly just some of the
tetraodontiform fishes (triggers, large puffers)... but compared to
other sources of scratching (mainly aquarists with cleaning tools,
trapped bits of gravel...) no biggee. In the world of possibilities,
this is minor spuds. Bob Fenner>
-Removing scratches from
acrylic tank-
Hello, I found your site while trying to figure out
what to do with my 60 gal tank.. My wife was trying to be helpful and
scrubbed the inside of my acrylic tank with one of those sponges that
have the green scotch pads.. <Ouch!> Needless to say, the front of the
tank now has a "clouded" look to it.. We have since moved from So Cal,
to Grants Pass, Oregon.. While the tank is now drained I'd like to get
the scratches "polished" out.. I have read of the product called "Novus"
on your site.. Is this something I can do myself? <Absolutely, and I
hear it works wonders.> Or is it something I have to have a supplier
apply? Is there any supplier in the Grants Pass, Oregon area that I can
purchase this from? <No idea, but I did find an e-tailer that carries it
http://www.tropicalfishstore.com/careproducts.htm> Any help will be
much appreciated! <Good luck! -Kevin>
Thank you,
George King
Removing Scratches on tank
Hi,
<Hello there>
I love your
web site (Bob along with the WetWebMedia crew, along with your book. It
has helped me so much in my years of reef keeping.
<Ah, good. Our
intention>
I am, however, puzzled by one question. Whether or not I
can actually use the Novus product underwater?
<Mmm, no... you must
drain the tank down to below this point... though some water may remain
in the tank... and the livestock too if there is enough space for them>
In one post you claim it can not be used, and in another you claim it
can. I have cited each for you below. I know that toothpaste method
works for certain to remove light scuffs inside the tank, I have done
this several times without any ill effect. I just wonder how safe Novus
3 or Novus 2 would be underwater, in a fully stocked reef with corals,
fish and inverts. I would hate to blow thousands or dollars just to
remove a scratch. So, which do you recommend, using Novus underwater,
or not using it underwater. Thank you in advance for clearing this up.
Jon
<Sorry for the confusion. The second piece is not clear, but it
is my intention to convey that the product itself is NOT toxic if it
gets into the system/water to some extent (have done this myself), but
does need to be worked, rubbed-in in the air... that is, with the tank
drained down or emptied. No problem with some of the resulting "dust"
getting into the water though. Bob Fenner>
Taking out scratches from
the inside
Bob,
Do you know of any acrylic scratch removal kit
that works underwater?
<No... all require draining the system at
least down to the level of the work. Bob Fenner>
Thanks, Lee
Re:
follow-up on removing scratches in acrylic tank using Novus, and visit
to Phoenix
Thanks, Bob, for your very prompt response!
It is
comforting to know that your experience shows Novus 1, 2, and 3 can be
used on the inside of an acrylic tank without harm to the fish. I bought
the Novus 1, 2, and 3 yesterday afternoon.
<Wish I had made these
products!>
As a follow-up to my earlier email to you, can I leave my
large jardinei in the tank while I am working on removing scratches with
Novus 2, and if necessary,
Novus 3. That is, from a chemically
(nontoxic) safe standpoint?
<As far as I'm aware, yes. Have used
these in "full tanks", fresh and marine, with impunity>
There will be
about 4 inches of water for him to stay wet;
<And not jumping out!>
the lowest scratch to be removed is an inch above this water line.
Thanks in advance for your advice!
BTW, Phoenix has a dry heat this
time of year ... and its been mild this week. Its the August monsoon
that you want to avoid.
Steve
<Will be out there this Thursday
with some friends/associates, giving a pitch at the DMS (Desert Marine
Aquarium Society). Stop by if you'd like.
Bob Fenner>
Removing Scratches From Acrylic Aquariums
I just recently
purchased a brand new Sea Clear Acrylic aquarium and when I was fumbling
around with my rocks in the aquarium I noticed that the acrylic was
scratched rather easily. It was very disappointing since this was a new
tank.
<I can relate! I love my acrylic tanks; swear by 'em for
strength, but I hate the scratch aspect!>
Scratches are rather light,
I realize now that acrylic SCRATCHES very easily.
<Yes, it does! Be
careful, also, if you use a magnetic "algae scrubber", and have a fine
bed of sand. These magnetic scrapers can pick up bits of sand on the pad
and leave full-length scratches! I know, 'cause I've had it happen,
myself!>
My question is, is there any way to remove light scratches
on acrylic or are they pretty much permanent? Is there any method or
product that I can use or a web site that you can refer me to that may
help me out with removing these unsightly scratches? Thank you very
much for any information you can provide. Love the site.
<Well,
there is an "acrylic scratch removal kit" by Rainbow Lifeguard (now
Pentair Aquatics), that you can get online from Dr. Foster & Smith,
among others, which consists of varying grades of fine grit sandpaper,
used one after the other, getting progressively finer. It takes a lot of
patience, and you must be very careful, but it does work. Hope this
helps! Regards, Scott F>
Acrylic tank
Hello, <Hi
Audrey, MacL here with you today.>
Sorry to bother you but I found
you on a search and wanted to ask you a question. I just bought a used
Acrylic 60 gallon tank. I was so stupid and cleaned it with a .........
and now my tank is very dull. <Acrylic tanks get scratched extremely
easily and some chemicals "burn" them. Its pretty easy to restore the
shine though. I'm assuming the tank is still empty. I personally have
had good luck with the Novus products. They have several types of
polish.> What do I do?? <Find a plastics store in your local phone book
and ask them if they carry the Novus polish products. I think you are
going to need all three of them to bring back your tank.> Please help
me. <Hope that helps. MacL>
Thank you,
Audrey
Toxicity
of Sea Clear acrylic scratch remover
Is Sea Clear acrylic
scratch remover toxic to fish-can it be safely used inside the aquarium
to remove scratches?
Thank you,
Sue Kennedy :)
<Not very
toxic... so okay to have bits fall into the water, but best to lower
your water low enough and remove the residue after rubbing as much as
possible. Bob Fenner>
Picture of crazing I read your Q and A section about acrylic
aquarium repair and my question was about crazing. Mr. Fenner
stated that one should take a picture and ask an expert to take a
look at it so what do you guys think??? <This is... crazing for
sure> should I scrap it or is there some way to repair this
monster it's 240 gal standard this is the only real tank flaw it's
about 3 or 4 years old. please tell me I can fix it <I
wouldn't scrap the tank... for fear of it rupturing... if this is
all the apparent stress cracking there is. If it worries you,
solventing a thin sheet/piece of acrylic over the area (with the
tank empty) may render the crazing less conspicuous while adding
strength. Bob Fenner> |
 |
Re: picture of crazing Thanks so much I really appreciate
your advice I think I am going to melt a little acrylic on there you
can't really see it when the hood's on. my concern was more
structural. Thanks again Mr.. Fenner <You're welcome my
friend. Bob Fenner> |
(Damaged) Acrylic tank
assessment 7/4/05
I am sorry this is such a long post. I just
don't know what exactly is pertinent information, so when you know
enough just stop reading. Reading the posts made me think really hard,
and try to be perhaps too observant. I posted here because you seemed
to know a lot about tank integrity.
<Okay>
I brought home a free
acrylic (I think, are there other plastics for tanks?)
<Mmm, really
only very small ones... acrylic/s have many names, are about all of the
same composition>
tank today. It is a TruVu brand, 16 deep 18 wide
60 long. There are cracks in the top and I don't know the owner
(neighbor of an ex-boyfreind), so I can't get the history of the tank.
It looks like it belonged to a fraternity (stickers and spray-paint and
graffiti). My ex- did say he was told it doesn't leak.
<Actual
cracks or just crazing? Can you feel breaks in the material? These are
indicative of cracking>
I am afraid it will fail. I am not concerned
about a slow failure, I am afraid that some of the cracks will just
split with no warning after the tank is in use some time. I also see
what I think is some crazing.
<Ah, I see>
I haven't filled the
tank to test it because I wonder if I should repair it first. The link
to the repair story is broken, so I couldn't read it.
<Unfortunately
there is no such piece... just haven't gotten around to writing it...>
If there is a quick easy fix that may hold this tank together, I will
do that first.
<It may be that the cracks can just be ignored (fill
this tank outside and see how it does), otherwise, the solvent used to
weld the tank panels together may be used to anneal the cracked portions
(call, write TruVu re Weld-On...). At worst, another panel (thin) of the
same size, cut-outs may be solvented to the top/cracked one>
CRACKS:
These may have been produced by heat, as I read in other posts. My
reasons for thinking so are that the top of the tank is warped, and
there is a small area of the top that looks like it may be air bubbles.
Does acrylic "Boil" from heat? Also, the edges of the cracks are warped
and do not match each other.
<Warping is common... these tanks bend
quite a bit with use/time... boiling is very bad>
If the cracks were
caused by heat, might the tank be compromised to the point that it will
fail, because the top is an important structural member?
<Doubtful,
but a possibility>
My reasons for thinking it is not heat is I do
not see any blackening or discoloration. Also, one crack actually
extends down the side of the tank about an inch. Could this crack be
from an impact?
<Yes, most likely... am starting to have glimpses of
"Animal House">
I haven't filled the tank to test it because I
wonder if I should repair it first. The link to the repair story is
broken, so I couldn't read it. If there is a quick easy fix that may
hold this tank together, I will do that first.
There are four cracks
in the top of the aquarium, they all run from a corner of the large cut
out to the side of the aquarium.
<These are best repaired per above>
The two in the back run from the side cutout to the 1-1/4 diameter hole,
to the back of the tank. One CONTINUES down the side of the tank about
an inch, this portion of the crack is not perpendicular, but actually at
an oblique angle to the tanks surface.
<Also best
repaired>
The tank top has two rectangular cut-outs, two smaller
rectangular cutouts, six 1/4"D circular holes, and 2 circular holes
about 1-1/4 "D. One of the 1-1/4 inch holes is not really circular, it
looks as if a smaller hole was drilled off center of the larger one,
however the edges are nice and smooth, so I don't know if these holes
were homemade, or poor quality control of the manufacturer. But the
crack is not located near this bump.
CRAZING:
It is a really
sunny day and I noticed when looking obliquely at the tank outside that
there was a glittery sheen inside the acrylic. It seemed to be pretty
uniform throughout the back surface of the aquarium, and I did not see
any direction to it, just little spots of glitter. I could not see them
on the other sides of the aquarium, but this could be because I did not
turn the tank to the same angle. I suspect that it is crazing. (If
not, what could it be?)
<Likely crazing... though could be marks
from solvent, local pressure or heat stress>
I cannot see it at
all when the aquarium is viewed straight on. And I don't think I could
see it in indoor lighting. Is a certain amount of crazing a normal
occurrence? Does it happen in every tank?
<Is common>
USE:
When I first saw the tank, I thought that it wasn't very useful for a
display tank. Now I am thinking that it actually would look pretty
funky as a type of urban community tank. What do you think of this
idea?
Thank you,
Mary
<If you have the time, interest, worth
trying to effect a repair. Bob Fenner>
Re: Acrylic tank assessment
7/6/05
Thank you for your reply. I was unsure about how to weld
the cracks closed. The edges don't line up, and in some cases, the
irregularities of the edges get in the way of realigning the acrylic.
I took the tank into TAP plastics today. They suggested that I drill a
small hole at the end of the crack before I weld. This will relieve any
stress at that point from the misalignment.
<Interesting>
This
makes sense. (Lucky that all the cracks end one inch from the top.)
It is consistent with the reason that larger diameter corners are
stronger, the stress is distributed over a larger area.
<Yes>
The weld-on #16 cost $3.05. The piece of scrap would have
been $1, but he threw it in for free. Must have felt sorry for me,
trying to save such a pitiful tank.
He should only see my car! LOL!
<Likely>
He thought the warp on the cross member would not affect
its strength, and that I don't need to reinforce it.
<Okay>
He
had no idea about the crazing unless it was a solvent. I suppose its
possible the gut tried cleaning it with something weird. But I really
don't think so, it is so evenly distributed.
<Is just
"stress" over time mainly>
I just wanted to share with you the idea
of drilling.
Wow a 75 gallon tank for $3.05! I'll let you know
how things go with my experiment.
<I'd appreciate this>
I will
drill the holes, wash the tank (soap and water he said)
<Mmm, no...
avoid soaps, detergents... toxic to aquatic life, hard to remove, leave
a film... water and vinegar, possibly straight vinegar (white) for
"scale"...>
and weld a piece of scrap over each crack. I am toying
with the idea of welding an acrylic divider in the middle to
compartmentalize it into two tanks, but I haven't decided yet.
<Mmm,
worth considering... but hard to change later>
I would prefer a
removable divider, but since the acrylic will flex, I don't know how I
could do this.
<There are commercially made dividers, but these are
a bit flimsy for this sort of tank>
Right now I really could use
smaller tanks.
Well its time to stop blathering, and see if this
idea will hold water!
Mary
<Real good. Bob Fenner>