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FAQs about Asterina
(tiny, white...) Sea Stars, Identification
Related Articles:
Asterina Stars,
An Introduction to the
Echinoderms: The Sea Stars, Sea Urchins, Sea Cucumbers and
More... By James W. Fatherree, M.Sc.
Related FAQs: Asterinas 1, Asterinas
2, & Asterina Behavior,
Asterina Compatibility,
Asterina Selection,
Asterina Systems, Asterina Feeding,
Asterina
Disease, Asterina Reproduction,
& Sea Stars 1, Sea
Stars 2, Sea Stars 3, Sea
Stars 4, Sea Stars 5,
Seastar Selection, Seastar
Compatibility, Seastar Systems,
Seastar Behavior,
Seastar
Feeding, Seastar Reproduction, Seastar
Disease, Chocolate Chip Stars, Crown of
Thorns Stars,
Fromia Stars,
Linckia Stars,
Linckia Stars 2, Sand-Sifting Stars,
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Sand-sifting
Starfish… Reproduction… Doubtful… Likely Asterinas 3/12/08
Dear WWM:
<Hi Suzanne, Mich here.>
First of all, thank you soooo much for the wealth of information that
you provide. It has been invaluable to me.
<To me too! Is how I learned as well.>
My son-in-law got me started on saltwater fish and I have thoroughly
enjoyed it.
<Congrats! Welcome to the club!>
I had a 30-gallon tank (have since graduated to 75 gal.) and in it I had
a Sand-sifting Starfish among other things. The Star was about 3.5
inches in diameter and was so much fun as I watched him disappear in the
sand and climb the sides of the aquarium.
<And decimated your sand bed?>
After about 8 months he started to look thin.
<Starfish generally starve to death in captivity, sand sifting
included.>
I gave him to my son-in-law and it did better for several months and
then wasted away and died.
<Starved.>
Not long after that he started noticing these tiny white specks in his
tank - hundreds of them. As they grew, we realized that they were
Starfish! Some had five arms, others had three or four (fish probably
were munching on them). Now they are about 3/8 inch in diameter and it
looks like someone poured a can of Campbell's Chicken and Stars soup in
the tank!
<Just as likely to be Campbell’s as baby sand sifting stars.>
When the tank is dark they are all over the front and sides of the
glass. It is incredible. What is more incredible is that there was only
ONE Starfish to start with. How in the world did that Starfish
reproduce??
<It didn't.>
I read all that you had on Starfish on your site and it talks about
mating. There was no mate to mate with.
<I would be shocked if it wasn't an entirely different species, likely
Asterina by the sounds of it.>
I took six home and put in my tank. When and if they get bigger I will
give the surviving ones to our LFS and keep only one for my tank.
<Mmm, do they look like this?
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/asterinafaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/asterinaidf.htm >
What are your thoughts on this phenomenon?
<I don't think it's a phenomenon.>
What is my son-in-law to do with all those starfish.
<Mmm, Harlequin shrimp? Just kidding. I don't recommend to anyone who is
not seriously committed to keeping these beautiful shrimp that only eat
live starfish. Please don't go buy one to combat your starfish issue.>
There are certainly not enough nutrients in his sand bed for all of
them.
<Might be for Asterinas, they are generally self limiting.>
Should he wait and see how big they get assuming they may not survive
for very long of get them out of the tank now? That will be no small
chore!!
<Lets determine what is actually in the tank before crossing this
bridge.>
Sincerely
Suzanne
<Any chance of getting a picture?
Cheers, Mich>
Sand-sifting
Starfish… Reproduction… Doubtful… Likely Asterinas… Is Asterina
3/13/08
Dear Mich:
<Hi Suzanne!>
Thanks for your response.
<Welcome!>
I have four pictures for you.
<Excellent! Thanks for capturing some images.>
I would have liked to have gotten you a view when he (she? it?) was on
the glass, but I haven't seem them on the glass in my tank in about a
week.
<No worries.>
In fact I though they might have died.
<Not necessarily a bad thing per se. Some folks report some species of
Asterina to be predatory on Zoanthids>
It looks exactly like a miniature sand-sifter to me and he moves very
sloooow like one. I can see why you would question that. What do you
think from the picture? I wasn't familiar with Asterinas.
<You have Asterina stars.>
Thanks,
Suzanne
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Micro Brittle Stars? Zoa Woes
2/21/08
Hello,
<Hi Kent, Mich here.>
I have been having a problem with a colony of Zoanthids. I did a fresh water dip
to remove any pest. I found what I thought was three (very
small) spiders (also several polyps fell off like they had been eaten on).
<OK.>
But, after searching to ID the creature I believe they may be micro brittle
stars or some other type of micro stars. Is it possible to have hundreds of
these "micro stars" living in your live rock (you can see their legs sticking
out of the live rock)?
<Yes.>
Is it likely that they would be harmful to my Zoanthids?
<No.>
If not, maybe it some other pest;
<Is possible.>
but I found nothing else in the water after the dip.
<May not have been on the rock when you did the dip.>
I don't remember if they had six legs or five.
<Micro brittle stars can have either, more likely to see 6 legged ones if they
reproduced by fission.>
Do all micro stars have five legs?
<No.>
If they have six legs, are they likely spiders?
<No.>
They do not look like any of the Zoanthid Eating Spiders that I found on your
site or anywhere on the web.
<A good resource here: http://www.zoaid.com/index.php?module=Gallery2&g2_itemId=384
>
Thanks,
Kent
<Welcome, Mich>
Is this a
starfish? 2/17/08
Our saltwater aquarium is now about 7 weeks old, I've added hermit
crabs and one star polyp to start.
<Mike I here. Good start - I hope it matures to bring you years of
enjoyment!>
This tiny fellow appeared two days ago, but I can't find out what it is.
It s quite mobile and we are amazed at the size and how much it moves
around on the glass. Obviously I used a magnifying glass to get this
picture. <<Neat technique! RMF>>
<Thanks for the picture, although it was quite large. Do try and re-size
downward next time. Anyhoo, to the pic, and it appears indeed to be a
starfish, of the Asterina variety. Have a read through this section for
more information:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/asterinafaqs.htm Hope that
helps, Mike I>
Re: Is this a starfish?
Asterina ID f' 2/19/08
Hi Mike
<Marilee>
Wow, that was a quick reply. Thanks so much for the information, I've followed
the link and I'm keeping detailed records of everything, with the picture it
will be fun to see the changes. Your site was very highly recommended by the
store owner in Hanover, Ontario where I purchased my first additions.
<Good to hear, I highly recommend this site too!>
With all the question and answer you post I'm spending a lot of time reading
Thanks for being there, Marilee
<Reading, research and respect (for the life we keep), the 3 Rs that will take
you far! And thanks for the thanks! Mike I> |
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Sea Star ID:
Likely Asterinid – 2/2/08
Hi Crew!
<Hi there, Kirk!>
I found this little hitchhiker on some live rock I recently acquired.
<Wow, is that ever a pretty little thing!>
I've been looking all over but can't seem to find anything with this
coloration (purple center, blue ring and purple legs).
<Neither can I, but sea stars can vary quite a bit in color/pattern.>
It was sheer luck I even spotted him because he blended right in with
the rock and is only 1/4" around right now. Any thoughts on what it
might be? Friend or foe?
<Hmmm, well I’m not sure. I discussed this little star earlier with a
fellow crewmember, Brenda. She mentioned right off the bat that it
looked like an Asterina and I agree with her. It looks a lot like
Patiria miniata or Patiriella regularis, but they're cooler water,
temperate species. As far as it being reef safe, asterinids can go
either way. I’d keep an eye on any corals you have. If he stays off of
them, he’s safe, at least for now.>
(sorry the image is a little fuzzy but I couldn't get the camera to
focus very good between the rocks)
<Can be frustrating, I know!>
I can't even express how much help your site has been, I've been in the
hobby for over 10 years and feel like I've learned more in the past 1
since I discovered it.
<Thank you so much! I just wish I could have done more to help with this
ID!>
Thanks for all you do!
Kirk Willmann
<You're very welcome! Take care. -Lynn>
Re: Sea Star ID: Likely Asterinid
– 2/2/08
<Hi Captain, I mean Kirk!>
Ooh! Thanks ladies.
<On behalf of Brenda and myself, you’re very welcome!>
I was thinking it might be a Fromia at first just because all the
Asterina images I found showed neutral colored specimens but the body
type seems right on the mark.
<Aye, sir.>
After a bit more searching I came across some brightly colored ones on
the web so I think we may have a winner!
<Yay, we have warp drive!>
I just really hope it behaves itself because I agree, it is quite
attractive and I would really like to keep it around.
<Most definitely. It’s a very pretty little tribble, I mean sea star.>
Best regards,
Kirk
<Heeheee, please forgive me for messing with you. I’m a trekkie at heart
and simply don’t run across enough Kirks to get calling them “Captain”
out of my system <G>. Take care. One to beam out –Lynn.>
Re: Sea Star ID: Likely Asterinid
– 2/2/08
<Hey, welcome back to the Bridge, Captain!>
You may call me whatever you wish as long as you keep answering my
starfish questions! ;-)
<Heeheeee! Anytime – just let me know. You’ll notice that I at least
waited until the second email to say anything. At that point, I just
couldn’t hold it back any longer! <G>>
I need more power Scotty!
<Aye sir, we’ll be working on it!>
Capt. Kirk
<Take care Capt., and have a great Superbowl Sunday! –Lynn> |
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Starfish
Identification: Cushion star? - 12/31/07
Hi Bob and Crew
<Hi Claire. I sincerely apologize for the delay in responding!>
Got this lovely starfish as a hitchhiker, but don't know what species it
is, or if it is coral friendly - any ideas??
<It is indeed a lovely little sea star! Unfortunately, after going
through every resource at hand, I’m stumped as to what species it is. It
could be a juvenile that looks very different from its mature
counterpart, or simply a species that hasn’t been
photographed/identified in my sources. It does look a bit like a
Cushion/Biscuit star, however, so I’d keep an eye on it and your
corals.>
Thanks
Claire
<You’re very welcome! I just wish I could have been more help! –Lynn>
<<Mmm, maybe an Asterina sp.... A. phylactica?
http://www.asturnatura.com/photo/photogallery/galerias.php?photo_id=583
RMF>>Re:
Starfish identification – 1/2/08
<<Mmm, maybe an Asterina sp.... A. phylactica?
http://www.asturnatura.com/photo/photogallery/galerias.php?photo_id=583
RMF>>
<Thanks, Bob! I spent way too long yesterday looking for that little
guy. I finally found something that looked about right, but it was a
photo at a dead link. Talk about frustrating! I wasn't happy with the
general answer I gave, but thought I'd exhausted all possible sources in
the search. Well, I got up this morning with that little star still on
my mind, so I cued up Bob Marley, and did a little more digging. This
time I found the current link for that photo. I'm not sure if what's
shown is the same star, but the similarities are promising. They have
the same general coloring, same markings between the arms, and what
looks like at least a partial ring on some. It's hard to believe all
those are the same species, but I guess they vary quite a bit. Here's
the link:
http://www.bluering.org.au/chpt17b.htm . What do you think? -Lynn>
>Does look like Tosia australis...
RMF< |
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Re: Mystery Starfish
A friend of mine has a 55g F/LR/SC tank that is a real pleasure to
watch. His tank has a number of different mushroom anemones, Xeniids,
Zoanthids and things I've forgotten their names. No hard corals - not
enough light. The place is just a little crowded along those line and I
haven't mentioned the fish (though the Pseudochromis will eat out of his
wife's hand.)
Very recently we discovered that he has several "volunteer"
starfish, origin and specie unknown. The largest of these has reached
about 1 cm across. Attached is a jpg of the fellow slowly crawling across
one of the pieces of live rock. As you can see, despite my poor
photography, these asteroids have five arms and a rather significant
margin. They are almost reminiscent of a "sand dollar", except
that the arm spines are raised and pronounced. The obvious questions are,
what is the species and should my friend be scavenging these out? Are
they, as I suspect, a danger to their more sedentary tank mates?
<Asterina sp. Not an uncommon LR "recruit". Please see here
re:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/seastarf.htm
and the related FAQs (linked, in blue, at top).
Bob Fenner>
Regards,
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Little Dingy White/light brown starfish
What are the little (1/4 inch) brown starfish that are so abundant in my 180
gal reef tank?
<likely you have an Asterina species. Do use this name to do a 'Net search
for photos to confirm. They are prolific and actually useful for eating diatoms
(algae). Some people culture these to feed the magnificent Harlequin shrimp
which can live well and breed in captivity if provided a natural diet of sea
star tube feet. As you have noticed, they can reach plague proportions. Some say
they can eat coral... this is very rare. Aside form being prolific, they are
quite useful. SPS keepers just like to use them as an excuse for why their
corals are dying ;) These sea stars are merely scavenging the necrotic tissue of
an already dying/infected coral. Best regards, Anthony>
Teeny Sea Stars
I have a question about some teeny starfish I recently acquired-- they are about
4 millimeters across, most are missing limbs and I have been told they only get
to the size of a dime and multiply like crazy. I have been trying to find out
their species and nature...we have a brand new reef tank, 7 weeks old. Thanks
for your help, Lizzi
<I would agree with all of the above. Look up Asterina species here in our
WetWebMedia.com archives and beyond. Any references you see about them eating
coral are mostly bunk in my opinion. Very rare. They are only a nuisance for
fast propagation. Great algae eaters and little harm else wise. Best regards,
Anthony>
Starfish ID 8/23/05
Hi There:
<G'morning>
Just a quick question in hopes you can identify (photo attached) what is
growing in my tank. We assume that they are baby starfish (there are
about 5 that we've seen), but not knowing for sure is driving us
crazy.
Also, just for your enjoyment, attached is a photo of one of our
starfish's arms growing a new starfish. That is sooo cool!
Thanks!
D. Kelley
<Very nice. Thank you for sending it along. Likely a species of
Asterina... Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/asterinafaqs.htm
Bob Fenner> |
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Starfish? 30 Jun 2005
I have just recently started a SW tank. I had put in one piece of live
rock in a week ago. Today I noticed this grey thing with seven arms (I
think). Is this a starfish and do I have to worry about it? what does it
eat? Thanks <Hi Julie. Looking at the picture, it
appears to be a hitchhiking Asterina starfish. They are generally
harmless algae eaters although some do eat corals. Do a search for
"Asterina" or see this URL
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/asterinafaqs.htm . Good luck on your new
setup and keep us posted on the progress. Cheers - Ted>
Sorry I forgot to add a pic of the starfish thingy.
<Looks like an Asterina starfish. Generally harmless. You may
find this URL helpful:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/asterinafaqs.htm Cheers - Ted> |
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Sea star ID
Hello,
In my reef tank I have found a tiny sea star which I have been looking up in
the web but I have seen no pics at all, the more similar pic was one of a
Asterina sp but from the bottom.
<Very common>
Unfortunately I have no pic of it but
hopefully with the description it would be fine. The animal has no more than
2cm width, from top is of a blue greyish colour with a red/orange ring
around the madreporic plate, it has 5 or 6 legs depending on the
reproductive stage, which is very often. And I have tens of it. Any idea
which species is?
<... some Asterina species fit this description closely... Please see the Google
Pix here:
http://images.google.com/images?q=asterina&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi>
By the way I have white tiny sponges that I have seen pics of them in the
web any idea about the name?
<Nope>
Hope you could help me, as soon as I get pics I will send them to you
Lots of thanks
<Even photos make it hard to discern these groups of animals to much more than
family level... even for experts in their fields (of which I am not)... Require
microscopic examination, sacrificing (taking apart). Bob Fenner>
Archaster Babies?....Or Asterina? (11/1/04)
Believe it or not, MORE Archaster craziness! Anthony, you are a patient man
for answering all my questions. Bless you indeed! :) <I will pass this on. Steve
Allen responding since Anthony is out.> To add to the insanity, one of the
Archaster's had BABIES. I've got a few, literally, the size of an eraser head. I
tried to take a picture, but it was incredibly difficult as it was far back in
the tank, glass distortion, very small, etc. So everything around it looks HUGE.
Here's the pic:
http://65.124.75.190/babystarfish.jpg
I'm not really sure how many I have as only two were visible, now only one.
Hopefully some of these guys will survive and won't suffer from predators so I
can pass them on. :) <Looked at the picture. Sorry to rain on the parade, but I
doubt that this is a baby Archaster. Looks more like an Asterina to me. These
common hitchhiker mini stars seldom exceed 1 cm in diameter. Look at some pix on
our site and elsewhere to compare and be more certain.>
Re: Asterina 9/6/06
Dear Bob,
<Derek>
Thanks so much for the info. These little starfish seem to be
multiplying fast... I found another just after receiving your reply
with the ID suggestion. So I now have a 3 legged, 4 legged, and this
6 legged one (the largest of them so far). I've attached a photo to
help ID, and in case it might be useful for your FAQ section; it
came out fairly clear, given the small size of the starfish.
Is this an Asterina?
<Does appear so to me>
If so I presume they'll be fine just chewing on the algae in the
tank... will they?
<Likely so>
From the pictures I found on your FAQs I'm sure the lesser limbed
ones are Asterina (I've only ever seen the lesser limbed ones from
below (as they stick on the front glass) and they match one ID'd in
your FAQ).
<Do come in a variety of leggi-ness>
Also, on another subject... Some signs in my tank of other possible
hitchhikers - Clicking noises (single not rapid clicks) mainly after
lights out and holes appearing in most of the loose shells on the
sand... Mantis Shrimp? Pistol Shrimp?
<Possibly>
FYI I have a sensibly stocked 150litre tank, 1 Maroon Clown, 1
Splendid Leopard Wrasse (which I'm happy to say will even eat
granules now!), 1 Boxer shrimp (Cleaner-Shrimp murderer!),
<Ahh, yes>
1 red Starfish, and the usual hermits and snails. BTW, I don't know
what the red starfish is, but I got one of its legs in the attached
picture so if you've any ideas?
<Mmm, no>
I don't directly feed it (tried but it refused), it's lived happily
in there for a few months; it's very active and seems to just graze
algae. I realize one leg isn't much to go on ;) So if it's no use I
will get another picture sent another time.
Love the site!
Many thanks again.
Regards,
Derek
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Methinks its
a Limpet (but not sure)... Methinks it's Hard to ID Without Photos!
6/9/07
Greetings to all!
<And a hardy hello to you Anthony, Mich here.>
I recently bought a decent sized piece of liverock that currently has 12
mushrooms (all purple colored, ranging from dime-sized to half-dollar),
and one Ricordea floridae about the size of a silver dollar. The first
night I was checking for hitchhikers, and found at least 2 serpent stars
(really small),
<Likely Mini Serpent stars (Amphipholis) or Striped Micro Brittle stars
(Ophiactis) both beneficial scavengers, which will hopefully reproduce
in your system.>
another starfish (its white with very pale brown markings, 5 legs).
<Perhaps an Asterina star.>
And what I know is definitely a gastropod of some sort..
<OK.>
an ID of the mystery starfish would be greatly appreciated, as well as
if it’s bad or beneficial to the aquarium.
<Umm, how? No pics, minimal descriptions, and I'm still standing here
waiting to be beamed up to see your tank there Scottie!>
Also, I would like an ID of this snail like creature... I can give a lot
better description of him!
<Well, give me something to work with!>
it has a flat/domed shell on top, but the shell looks more like a clam
shell (asymmetrical). It also has a pearlescent shimmer to it. The
animal itself is odd though. For one, it seems like its too big for the
shell (about twice as big as the shell, or maybe even bigger), and for a
snail, it moves FAST! It has 2 long antennae coming out of the front,
and what seems to be 6 other, smaller ones running along the side (3 on
each side) of the animal.
<Sounds like (I almost feel like I'm playing Charades here...) a
Stomatella snail to me... a welcome addition to your tank. Reproduces
readily in captivity and an excellent member of the clean up crew. A
couple of photos on this page: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/snailid9.htm >
Since I can only find both of these animals at night, I can't get a
picture.
<Uh huh... sure... because it's dark... that why there's no photos... I
think your just trying to challenge me...>
But should I pull them out of the aquarium, or are they safe for my
current and future inhabitants (I plan on having more mushrooms, polyps,
zoas, and some LPS).
<They are likely safe, if not outright beneficial.>
I don't think the starfish is Asterina, because all of the Asterina I’ve
ever seen have 7 legs, and half of those legs look as if they've broken
off and are regrowing.
<I've seen Asterinas with 2 legs, 3 legs, 4 legs... Here's a pic of one
I took at IMAC with 8 legs! You can see the 3 old legs and the 5 new.
OK, I guess I'm not able to attach it you this email, perhaps it will be
posted on the daily FAQ's.>
Also, would you have any pics that resemble what I’ve described, so I
can compare?
<Anthony... allow me to introduce you to Google Images...
http://images.google.com
...Google images...Anthony. There you've met, now become friends! Hee!>
Thanks a ton!
<Welcome! Mich>
Anthony Cagle
<Please for future reference it is: "I" not "i"> |
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