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Coldwater Chemistry 3/27/2009
Bob Fenner,
<Robert>
I've used your articles as a resource before, and I gotta say that you
are doing a fine job. I am working on a coldwater marine setup right
now, with everything stocked from the San Diego coastline.
<Oh! I/we live in East La Jolla... Ok! Mira Mesa>
The primary habitat I am trying to create is the lower zone of the kelp
forest. I was wondering if you knew about any differences between
coldwater chemistry vs. tropical?
<A little>
If you can tell me about the alkalinity, calcium, iodine, nutrients,
etc., that would be great.
Regards,
Robert Bertino
<These measures should ideally be the same as for tropical systems...
really, the only difference is temperature. Bob Fenner>
pH question; cold water.- 02/04/09 Hi Marco, <Hello Ross>
You've been most helpful answering questions I have had in the past. I
hope you don't mind that I emailed you directly. <Not at all.> To
remind you: I have a 100 gallon, cold, salt water tank. In the past, I
wrote you because my nitrates were high and I had a sea star that was
ripping itself apart. <I remember.> Currently, I don't have a lot
in the tank ( 7 brittle stars, 3 urchins, couple of snails and a hermit
crab). When I had more critters in the tank I had the high nitrate
problem and the pH would fall slightly over time (8.4 to say 8.0). Now
that the load on the tank is so much smaller, my nitrates are fine but
my pH is really high (8.6-8.8). Part of my problem is this: because
I work in a school science lab, our tap water is treated so that it is
very basic to counterbalance any acids poured down the drain. So doing
frequent water changes won't bring down the pH because the water I'm
using is so high to begin with. I just tested the Alkalinity of the
water and it is very high as well (3.6). I don't really want to buy
bottled water because that could get expensive. Should I use some sort
of "pH down" (which I think is just sulfuric acid) or should I not worry
about it. Hopefully, we will soon be getting some new critters so
the pH might start to drop due to natural processes but I don't want
them to have pH shock when I put them in the water. Suggestions?
<First it has to be noted that a stable pH with a slight daily cycle is
more helpful than having exactly the wanted pH. Second: the pH of cold
sea water is often higher than in tropical sea water. However, values
above 8.2 are rare, and 8.6 usually only occurs in coastal cold water
areas with very high plankton occurrence (and sometimes tidal pools).
Third: Some electronic pH meters have no automatic temperature
compensation and will give you wrong numbers when used in cold instead
of warm water. Four: Check if the salinity of the tank is as you would
like to have it. High salinities can be related to high pH. There
are several options how this problem can be solved: My personal approach
would be to invest into a simple Reverse Osmosis (RO) unit. This should
easily solve the pH problem and also help to improve water quality
by holding back a lot of unwanted ions. Careful dosing of diluted
sulphuric acid <<Mmmm, VERY careful... there are some products made
of H2SO4 outside the U.S. for ornamental aquatics use... But not in the
States... DO take great care if using. RMF>> or commercial products
to lower the pH, as you noted, is an alternative method, but you would
have to use a metering pump or a DIY unit to let it drip slowly into the
tank (into an area with high current or preferably the sump) to avoid pH
swings. However, adding accidentally too much could be fatal, pH swings
due to irregular addition would also potentially disturb the biology of
the tank. Also, you note the water of the lab is treated, what about the
water in other parts of the school? The use of tap water is discussed
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/water4maruse.htm . When adding
new animals from an environment with a lower pH the acclimation process
has to be undertaken very slow by dripping tank water into the bucket
with the new animal over several hours as described here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimat.htm . The higher the pH difference,
the longer the acclimation period should be.> Thanks. Ross <I hope
this helps. Marco.> Coldwater Marine Fish
Flukes, Copper and Praziquantel Hello, <Anthony Calfo in your
service> I have had some wild-caught vermilion rockfish (a Pacific
Northwest species) undergoing copper sulfate treatment for months for
monogenean gill trematodes, and it has not worked. <yes... it seems
that they bury deep enough that a fatal dose will kill the fish too.>
(We have taken gill biopsies to monitor response to therapy.) The fish
are still in their quarantine tank. I am considering switching to
Praziquantel 1ppm for at least a week. Are there any problems doing both
at the same time? Or should the copper be removed before starting the
Praziquantel? Many thanks in advance, Lisa H. <Lisa, I would
discontinue and remove the copper and use Formalin baths (short and long
with your discretion evaluating the fish). Shown to be quite effective
on gill flukes at 2-4 ml (35-45% solution) per 10l of water for 30
minutes (SHORT) and/or 1-2 drops per gallon every other day through
treatment (LONG). Best regards, Anthony Calfo>
Pisaster disease 4/21/07 Hi, I have a Pisaster
brevispinus in a large temperate system <Yes, a coldwater
species> and recently it has developed what look almost like
blisters all over its skin. I am having trouble finding information
on what this could be and how to cure it. I have others in the same
system that are doing just fine. I am attaching a picture -
hopefully this will help. Please email me back with what this could
be. Thank you. Sincerely, Allicia S. <Have seen,
read of this sort of symptom on Asteroids... tropical and not... but
no definitive "cause"/effect, nor cure... I would isolate the
affected individual/s... possibly necropsy ones that perish... Maybe
a call or email to folks at some of the west coast public
aquariums... Fernando Nosratpour at the Birch Aquarium, folks at the
Aquarium of the Pacific in Long Beach, the Monterey... Likely they
have seen this in other Pisaster and Patiria species. Bob Fenner> | 
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