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Recurring Pop Eye in
Bannerfish 11/2/2009
Hello.
My Bannerfish, (Heniochus diphreutes),
<One specimen? This is a shoaling/schooling species... Rarely does well
singly>
has a recurring pop-eye problem and I'm stumped as to why. A little over
a week ago both of his eyes became extremely swollen. I removed him from
the display and placed him in a 30 gallon quarantine where I treated
with hyposalinity, Epsom salts and Melafix. The eyes cleared up quickly
and he was eating well. After 5 days of treatment I returned him to the
display tank, where he appeared to be fine. After several days however,
one eye has become swollen again.
The display tank is a 225 gallon mixed reef (bare bottom) with
approximately 200 lbs of live rock. It has been up and running for
eleven months. A 70 gallon sump contains a 25 gallon refugium with deep
sand bed and macroalgae (Chaeto); MR-3 skimmer with dual Becketts; and
three reactors running Rowaphos, carbon and nitrate sponge. All media is
changed once a month, and I perform a 25 gallon water change once a
week.
<Good maintenance schedule>
Water parameters are: Specific gravity: 1.025, pH 8.1 to 8.3, dKH 8,
Calcium 420, Magnesium 1380, Nitrates 10ppm, phosphates are
undetectable.
(I use Salifert and Elos kits, and test weekly).
I have had the Bannerfish for nine months and he is about five inches
long.
He has always been a good eater and gets along well with his tank mates.
No other fish shows any sign of illness. What could possibly be causing
the swollen eyes? Could there be some type of bacteria in the tank?
<No doubt there are several species... but are any "that" directly
pathogenic?>
If so, why is it not affecting the other fishes?
<Perhaps they are less susceptible>
Thanks for any help you can give me'
Lance Foster
Vancouver, Canada
<Mmm, I would (if there is room, space) add at least another H.
diphreutes here (or an acuminatus if this is all you can find); in the
hope that the improved emotional health of the one will help with the
Pop-eye here.
Otherwise, please peruse here: http://wetwebmedia.com/PopeyeCause.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Mysterious Death of Two Heniochus Acuminatus – 09/19/09
Ok I need help. I recently acquired 2 beautiful Heniochus Bannerfish. To
be precise 08/26/09- I received them from an online vendor and they were
beautiful-albeit a bit larger than I had expected ( I ordered small and
each fishes body was approximately 4" long).
They have been eating very well. I feed them krill, mysis, Ocean
Nutrition flake, Spectrum Thera A pellets and Mega Marine Algae and also
a couple of crushed peas. I usually feed 2x a day, about a cube per day.
I don't feed all of the above in one feeding but vary it from day to
day.
Last night I observed the smaller of the 2 Heniochus acting reclusive,
and looked a little thin (despite eating well). I also had noticed that
their dorsal fins and body had blotchy marking (it would appear that
they had lost some of the white pigment in those areas and it was
turning translucent)
<A sign something is off...>
This am I couldn't see the smaller Heniochus swimming but did see the
larger one swimming in its normal space but looking rather tipsy. 30
minutes later when the actinics came on the larger fish was lying on its
side and I could see the other had died. I quickly hauled the larger
fish out figuring some parameter must be way out
<And...>
and stuck it into a qt tank I have on hand. It has since died. The rest
of the tank looks happy as can be this morning -nothing else is showing
any kind of distress.
Other tank mates: 2 false Percs, 1 small blue hippo and a red scooter
blenny and assorted snails, cleaner shrimp, sand sifting star, RBTA and
assorted softie corals. All of the listed fauna have been in the
aquarium for at least 6 months or more with the exception of the scooter
who was added in June.
Tank Specs: 90 Gallon, EuroReef 6-2 skimmer, lots of live rock, mag 12,
T5 lighting (6x54w), 2 Koralia 3's. ATO, grounding probe.
Water test today:
Ammonia=0
PH=8.28
Temp: 81 (usually reads about a degree high) so prob 80
Alk-8.6Salinity: 1.022
I use RO/DI water for top-off and water changes. Last water change was
Monday just 5 gallons.
Nitrates-this I'm having trouble with and MAY be the culprit. My first
test (Salifert) read next to nothing. I doubted that so went to another
test kit (Tetra) I have and it shows Dark Orange which is between 25-50
(test kit has orange at 25, red for 50, mine is dark orange between the
two)
<A factor, but...>
I know butterflies don't care for Nitrates but what are the chances of
them dying at the same time from Nitrates, and would this really be
enough to kill them?
<Not likely; no>
This really is distressing me. What else that I haven't tested for could
kill these fish overnight?
<Maybe dissolved oxygen... at this temp. and low specific gravity...
could have been a contributor>
I have already emailed the online vendor to see if they have had any
similar incidents with these fish -they haven't.
<Mmm, no... IF these symptoms would have occurred w/in a week of your
receiving these animals, "it" might have been a matter of collecting,
handling damage...>
The rest of the tank looks happy as can be this morning -nothing else is
showing any kind of distress.
I have been battling flatworms for a while (I haven't treated with
anything) and was wondering if these critters dying in the tank could
poison fish?
<Yes... what do you mean by "battling"?>
I have some Cyano bacteria in the tank but only in low flow areas.
The worse thing is this isn't completely new - I have had a history of
losing fish after about a month in this tank for a while now...and can't
figure out the problem.
Do you have any suggestions? Should I be testing for something that I'm
not?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this disaster.
Carolyn
<Summat is amiss... Please read through here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/mardisindex.htm
The second and third trays.
Bob Fenner>
Heniochus butterfly dying/Butterflyfish/Health 3/27/09
Hello,
<Hi Paul>
I have a 125 with a Blue Tang, a Yellow Tang, two clowns, Diamond Goby,
four cleaner shrimp, several snails, and several crabs. I added a banner
fish three days ago and it is looking very ill. It appears to be
dissolving right before my eyes. It's sides have a crisscross pattern
and the fin is shredding. I removed it yesterday and put it in a 55 gal
. Ammonia =0, nitrate=0, nitrite=0 in both tanks so am confused as to
what is going on, any help would be appreciated.
<Little to go on here. Did the fish appear to be in good health when you
purchased, was it eating? Were any of your other fish showing aggression
toward it? Is it eating now? James (Salty Dog)>
Paul Dodson
Re: Heniochus butterfly dying/Butterflyfish/Health 3/27/09
The fish appeared to be in great health,
<Active, I hope and not cowering anywhere.>
brought home, did the slow acclimation process and it stayed away from
other fish. After feeding that evening it ate small pieces and then it
hasn't eaten since. Didn't see any other stock messing with it but it
just appeared to go downhill the minute I introduced it to my tank.
<If there are any lights on the 55 that he is in, I'd leave off a few
days, will have a calming effect. Also provide a few retreats for the
fish. Try feeding some small nourishing foods such as Cyclop-eeze, see
if that will trigger it to feed. The fish may have been stressed from
shipping procedures and may be slow to recover, and hopefully it will.
Do keep a close eye on him, look for signs of a parasitical disease. You
didn't mention water temperature anywhere, but I'd take the temperature
of the 55 up to around 80-81. Will speed up his metabolism a bit and may
help some. James (Salty Dog)>
Sick Heniochus 2/24/09 Hi Crew <Michael> Thanks
much for the great website and great info. I have a 180 gal tank in my
Junior High science classroom. When I came in this morning, I found my
Heniochus diphreutes <This is a social animal... really does much
better in a small shoal>
<http://www.fishprofiles.com/profiles/profile.aspx?id=654> swimming very
slowly on his side. He looks sort of dirty (brown/gray splotches all
over). I've been checking all of the levels and the only things I've
found out of whack are the specific gravity at about 1.024 and the
nitrates at 20 ppm. I cleaned out the skimmer on Friday and am running
it really wet right now so I'm going to remove some more gunk here in a
bit. I also found that a powerhead was dead so I'm sure I don't have the
circulation that I should have right now. <All good observations,
speculations> I also have a Royal Gramma who looks a bit discolored,
but he isn't acting strange. The other fish in the tank are 3 percula
clowns, 1 chalk Basslet, 1 secretive wrasse, 1 Sixline wrasse, 1 yellow
wrasse, 2 green chromis, and 1 flame angel. Any suggestions you have
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Michael <Amongst the
items presented, am guessing that "something" to do with the skimmer
cleaning is at play here... Something triggered biochemically, or
perhaps added chemically in the cleaning? I would default to adding some
GAC (carbon) and Polyfilter to your filter flow path here... Unless you
have another established system to move the most mal-affected fishes to.
Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Heniochus 2/25/09 Hi again Bob (and/or
Crew) <Michael> Well, I found the Heni dead this morning. Now, I
think the tank is having an ich outbreak. I'm seeing little white spots
on the tail of my Royal Gramma and on my flame angel. Is the process
outlined in Scott Fellman's article at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ichart2mar.htm the recommended course of
action? <Is one> I assume that there isn't a good option for
treatment that keeps the fish in the main tank. <Mmm, correct...
unless one wants to risk the loss of livestock... go the "garlic" or
"tough it out" hopeful immune response> I currently do not have a
hospital tank set up. Would some water siphoned out of the main tank be
suitable for the hospital tank? <Yes... though likely infested>
How much space would I need for the fishes I currently have (listed
below minus the Heni)? I have two 10gal tanks and another that's
probably 30gal in my room, but the bigger one has a crack and I've never
had anything in it to see if it holds water. Any other suggestions are
greatly appreciated. Thanks again for your help. Michael <The two
tens would likely work... I'd put more time into reading re your
options... particularly the "parasitized tanks" FAQs files. Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Heniochus, Crypt, more reading 2/26/09
Evening Bob/Crew <Miguel> Ok, so I have my hospital tanks ready to
go and my plan is to remove the fish to there and let the main tank
fallow for the month or so to disrupt the ick life cycle. As far as
treatment for the hospital tanks, I'm still debating on which course of
action to take. Here are some possibilities: 1. Treat with "Quick
Cure."--I've read that the flame angel won't do well with the malachite
green though; <I'd use this more as an immersion bath (longer dip),
rather than expose all longer-term to formalin> 2. Treat with Instant
Ocean's Lifeguard--I haven't seen much if anything about how well it
works or how safe it is; <... not effective IME> 3. Treat with a
copper sulfate solution--the issue here is that my LFS doesn't carry
copper medications--he was pushing Melafix on me. <Quit this store>
The solution I have is that I can mix up a batch of copper sulfate
solution myself, but I don't have citric acid to bind the copper in
solution. <Only helps to hold in solution for a short while
longer...> My mad scientist plan is that I can use lemon juice in my
solution since it contains citric acid I have used it in my tank before
to kill Aiptasia. I've worked out how much juice to use with the
copper sulfate and water so I think it will work if copper is the best
way to go. Your opinions are always appreciated and thank you in
advance. Michael <Time is wearing thin... You must choose a route
to go. BobF> Heniochus
problems 7/9/08 Dear Crew; i have been reading your site
for the past few months now and even though i consider myself an expert
in the keeping of fish i thoroughly enjoy reading your articles.? <Me
too> Well i do have one question though and it pertains to the
Heniochus species of marine butterflies.? <?>?> While i have no
problems with other members of the family i cannot keep Heniochus
acuminatus for anything and i am told that they are one of the
easier member of the family to keep.? <Can be> The last set of
three that i purchased only made it three days.? <Mmmm> I
purchased three medium fish approx 3-4 inches long and placed them in my
quarantine tank. All was well, they got along great, were very active
and ate well.? I fed them mysis shrimp, and frozen algae and they took
both with no problems, that night i fed them oc pellets soaked in
SeaChem vitality and again they ate like champs.? The next morning
one of the three was not active and hanging out near the tank bottom, i
looked him over and could not find any problems with the fish.? He
did however take some mysis shrimp as did they other two.? By the next
morning the fish was dead and the other two did the same thing as the
dead one hanging out near the bottom and not being active as before.
Both were dead on the third morning.? Now the particulars, i did a
freshwater dip on all three with HydroPlex, at different times.? They
had no visible signs of parasites or damage on their body and acted
great, i treated the tank for bacteria once the second two showed
symptoms, i used ruby reef products for that as well.? Water quality was
8.3 ph, 0 ammonia, nitrites and nitrates.? I keep live rock in the
quarantine tank and performed a water change before treating.? What is
the problem? oh yea the quarantine tank is a 56 gal and had no other
inhabitants except for snails and a few hermits.? i have never seen a
fish decay so quickly from being active and eating to death as what
happened to these three.? Am i overlooking something? thanks in advance
for you answer <I don't think that these losses have anything to do
with you, your efforts... But cumulative stress, challenges of capture,
holding, and shipping of these specimens. I would try again... perhaps
making sure the new trials had some time to 'rest up' at your dealers
for a good two-three weeks before continuing on to your protocol listed
above. I have dealt with this species on many occasions... as a
collector, wholesaler/transhipper, retailer... and it is one of the
several species that "comes in good" or not... with little to do to save
it from dying anomalously. Bob Fenner>
Heniochus breathing through one gill & not eating 6/11/08
Hello all, <Hi there> I recently acquired a Heniochus acuminatus.
He's about 3-4" and is nice and fat. However, since I got him 5 days
ago, he has been refusing to eat. I offered the most tempting things I
could think of including frozen bloodworms, Cyclops eeze and some of the
spectrum finicky fish food (no experience with that before this though)
and got only a miniscule amount of interest from the
bloodworms/Cyclopeeze. Any other suggestions or should I just stay the
course and hope he warms up a bit each feeding? <Do you have a good
deal of relatively "fresh" live rock? Have you tried
appetite-stimulating additives (vitamins, HUFAs, garlic)?> In
addition to this, he sometimes breathes through just one of his gills,
basically double as fast since that one gill is doing the work of two.
The other gill is of course simply closed during this time. I'll then
check back 30 minutes later and he's back to normal breathing at a
leisurely pace again. <Not to worry much re... this "happens"> I
know that this "one gill breathing" is often a symptom of gill flukes.
However, I already performed a long temp, pH adjusted FW dip with
Methylene blue prior to adding him to quarantine. He was tolerating it
extremely well with very little sign of stress so I let him stay in
there for 20 minutes. I was pretty careful making up the dip water.
Between the acclimation water (gave 5 hours to drip acclimate), the bath
water and the quarantine water there was only about 0.1 difference in pH
(measured digitally) and temp was within 1 degree. I would have
assumed that this would kill off any gill flukes. <Mmm, actually,
no... Trematodes can take more than even formalin additives sufficient
to kill their hosts... oftentimes requiring longer-term organophosphate
administration> I understand a FW dip won't knock out everything
hitchhiking on a fish, but I figured that of any place, the gill tissue
would be cleared up by this. For my QT procedure, I've previously had
success swapping fish between two bare bottom tanks that are cleaned and
allowed to dry in between use. <Good technique> Every 2-3 days
I'll swap the fish to the new presumably sterile tank essentially giving
them a 100% water change (has worked well at disrupting ich which I've
unfortunately had to deal with a lot in the past). I'm careful that the
parameters of the water are matched and that I'm not shocking them
beyond the stress of handling. So far he's had 2 swaps. As you can tell,
I'm hoping to avoid using meds but of course I'll do whatever is best.
FWIW, I have another Heniochus acuminatus who sometimes breathes through
one gill only. I haven't seen him do it in a while, but he also seemed
sporadic. He's also currently very happily swimming around in my main
tank and gorging himself at every feeding. <I would "move up" the
process of acclimating/quarantining here and summarily dip/bath and
place the new Heni> All of the above tactics I've learned from
studying your site as well as a few others. I tried searching for the
answer, but I'm hoping there's something I'm missing or that you
can clue me in on. My fish as well as I sincerely thank you! Best,
Fred <Thank you for sharing. Bob Fenner> Heniochus
acuminatus with Ich 6/23/06 Hi WWM crew!! <Hi> I have an
Heniochus acuminatus that show symptoms of ick. <Uh oh> It has white
spots, that look like salt. It doesn't have that much but it still
concerns me. <It should> It is still eating well. It doesn't breathe
rapidly. All the other fish are healthy. <All other fish are infected
with Ich, just not symptomatic.> I don't want to treat the main tank,
because I have some invertebrate. <Almost always a bad idea.> I am
not able to set up a hospital tank, I don't have the space for it, since
I live in an apartment. <Really need one, doesn’t need to be always
set up, can be taken down when not in use. Without a QT/hospital tank
expect to continue to have problems with communicable diseases.>
Yesterday, I have give it a freshwater bath( specific gravity: 1.008)
with blue methylene for 10 minutes. <Provides temporary relief, not a
cure.> But, today, it still shows symptoms of ICK. <Most likely will
continue until the ich life cycle is broken.> What should I do to
treat my fish? <If you are unable/unwilling to get a hospital/QT tank
and remove and treat all fish and allow the tank to run follow there is
not much you can do. Provide good quality water and food and hope the
fish's immune system and fight off the ich.> I have bought a
Formaldehyde - green malachite solution to use it in a bath, but I am
not sure if it is a good idea and how much should I use and for how
long. <Toxic stuff, I'm not a big fan of it. Baths will help
temporarily, but when the fish is returned to the tank they will be
reinfected.> Could I use copper in a bath that would last for a long
time? <Not effective.> If yes, how much should I use and for how long?
Any other treatment I could try? <Not that wouldn't nuke the
tank. Medications are not specific enough to kill the ich and not
destroy the live rock and biofiltration.> Thank
you very very much!!! I hope my fish will be fine, I really like it!!
<Hope so.> Steve T. <Chris> Heniochus
acuminatus with Ich Part II 6/30/06 Hi Chris, <Hi> As
per your advice, I am actually looking to setup a hospital tank for my
fish, to help to get ride of the ick problem... I have 2 clown fish, 2
green Chromis, 1 neon goby, 1 six line wrasse and the Heniochus. What
size of hospital should I go with? <Good to hear, at least a 20 for
all those fish. If easier you could go with a couple of smaller tanks
and split up the livestock.> Today the Heniochus have stopped to
eat... :( <Uh-oh> What is my best bet with it? Should I give it
a freshwater bath until I set-up the hospital tank? Any other ideas?
<A bath may help, make sure its ph adjusted and the right
temperature. Try adding either Selcon or garlic to the food. Both seem
to stimulate the feeding response. If it goes too long try some live
brine shrimp.> Thank you very much... Steve <Good luck and
remember to QT any new additions to avoid these problems in the future.>
<Chris> Heniochus acuminatus with Ich Part III
7/1/06 Hi again Chris, <Hi> Sorry to bother you again,
<No bother.> I promise I will quarantine any new addition to my tank
in the future. <Good> But, I just have a idea of what I could
try to cure my fish from ick and get it out of my main tank. I know that
the WWM crew are not big fan of hyposalinity, but could I just buy a
tank (the one I would use in the future to quarantine any new addition)
and use it to put all my hermit crab. They are the only invert I have in
my system. I would put many pieces of live rock with them. So I would
not kill all the zooplankton in LR and the crabs would be more safe...
Could I lower the SPG in the main tank to kill the ick in it? I would
keep the hermit crab apart for 6 weeks. Would it be effective? If yes,
at what SPG would it cure the fish without being stressful to the fish?
I have read from ATJ (the only name I have found of that guy) that the
SPG should be at 1.009 to kill the ick. You can see this article here :
''
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/hyposalinity.html''
What do you think of that? <Well, it will get rid of the Ich if kept
at that salinity long enough. However, it will also kill off most of
your live rock, and in the process cause a huge ammonia spike. If you
remove all the LR there will probably not be sufficient biofiltration
and cause the same problem.> Thank you very very much for your help.
If I found that the better treatment is the copper in a hospital tank, I
will do it... Honestly, I don't feel confident about my capacity to keep
them all alive in a basic none established system, though. <With
lots of water changes should be fine. Could also use Bio-Spira to jump
start the biofiltration.> Steve <Chris> Heniochus
acuminatus with Ich Part IV 7/3/06 Hi again, <Hi> I just
wanted to say that I should have listen to you one week ago. I mean I
should have treated it as fast as I could. Even if the Heniochus had
finally eaten yesterday, I have found it today in my overflow box dead.
<Sorry to hear.> I just feel like crap. The worst thing, it was my
girlfriend fish... It was her birthday present. <Yeah, I learned that
lesson the hard way too, no fish for gifts.> I don't think she will
like the tank anymore... I feel right now like I would give up too... It
is sad that I had to make that fish die just to learn a so simple
lesson!! <Been there, done that. Almost quit after losing my possum
wrasse, loved that fish.> So, I know that I will sing the same old
song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TO EVERYONE, don't be
damn stupid like me, DO QUARANTINE YOUR FISH!!!!!!!! <A convert, and
ready to give others the advice, some good out of a bad situation.>
So now that the only really sick fish is dead (the wrasse only had 2-3
spots and it is now gone), should I just wait 1 week or 2 before I start
to treat them in a hospital tank? <Start immediately.> I mean that way I
could let some sponge in my tank to have some biofiltration ready for
the quarantine process. <See if you ca find some Bio-Spira to
kick-start the biofiltration. But do not buy it if it hasn't been kept
refrigerated, some stores don't and without it the bacteria will die.>
Should I start using the biofiltration right at the beginning or after
the copper treatment so, the copper would not kill the
biofiltration? <From the beginning.> Can I use filter pad that absorb
ammonia with a copper treatment? <No, all will also remove the copper as
far as I know, just have lots of new salt water ready for water
changes.> If not, would it be better to use hyposalinity, so I could
use absorbent resin to help to maintain good quality of water ?
<Most of the bacteria cannot survive the salinity change anyway, so
copper is probably the better way to go.> Again Thank YOU VERY VERY
MUCH for your patience Chris!!! <Anytime> <Chris>
Heniochus acuminatus with Ich Part V + Bacterial Infection 7/11/06
Hi Chris and the WWM crew, <Hi again.> I have tried to find
information about it on Reefcentral and other forum, but even here on
Wetwebmedia there were not that much information about bacterial
disease. Here is my little horror story: <Ok> I had an ick
outbreak in my main tank. So, I have set-up a hospital tank a few days
ago and decided to go with hyposalinity to get rid of the ick. So I have
lowered the SPG from 1.025 to 1.008-1.009 in 2 days. It seams to go fine
for my 2 Chromis and 2 clown fish. <Tough fish generally.> The hospital
tank is a 30 gal. <Good size.> I have installed my pinpoint monitor on
it to follow the ph to make sure it does go too low. <ok> I have
tried to find information about it on Reefcentral and other forum, but
even here on Wetwebmedia there were not that much information about
bacterial disease. <We'll try to help.> I did have some problem
to catch my sixline wrasse from my main tank. It took me 4 days to catch
it. For the first 2 days I was trying with a net. At the end, I have try
to remove as much LR as I could to catch it, but it always have found a
way to hide from me... <Quick little buggers for sure.> So I have done
some research and have found the fish trap made from a coke bottle.
After 2 other days, I have finally caught it. <Nice> The problem
is that the morning after I put it in the hospital tank (the SPG had not
been lowered yet...) I have noticed a pink red spot on is head and the
dorsal fins seam almost gone on a small part of it. There is some white
stuff around the sore and the fish is staying on the bottom of the tank
and don't swim a lot (the swim bladder disease??). <More likely from
stress from move, new tank, injury, etc.> It does not eat anymore. <Not
good.> I have try to treat it with Pimafix, but it does not look
like it is working. <Junk, Tea Tree oil.> Anything I could try ? Now the
SPG of the hospital tank is at 1.009. Would it work to treat it with
Neoplex from SeaChem. It contains neomycin sulfate and it is supposed to
be good against fungal and bacterial infection. <Broad based antibiotic
I believe.> What disease do you think it is? And what do you think is
the cause of it? <Sounds like physical trauma that became
infected. Probably ran into something running from the net. Had this
happed to fish myself. With the specific gravity lowered I wouldn't add
any more stressors (medicine) for now. Good water quality is really
important now, so lots of water changes to try to help. Try feeding
"enticing" foods, frozen Mysid, bloodworms, frozen formula 1 are all
things that have made my fish go crazy for food. Selcon also helps and
adds some valuable fatty acids as well. If desperate garlic, may help,
but is at best an appetite stimulant only in my opinion. Brine shrimp
also may help getting him started eating as well, although of limited
nutritional value. But don't worry too much if its only been a couple of
days since he last ate. Keep the lights off as much as possible too to
help reduce stress. These fish's immune systems are quite impressive
when give the right chance, so don't give up hope yet.> My hope to
save the poor fish are not too high, but at least I would like to
prevent it from happening again and if there is anything I could do I
would be willing to try it... <Keep at it, good water quality and
foods will help.> Thank you very much Steve <Anytime>
<Chris> P.S. Here is below my communication with Chris about my ick
outbreak ... I thought it could maybe help! Heni, Porc,
Oodinium: We have a porcupine puffer & 2 H. acuminatus amongst
our 15 fish in our 95-G tank. The puffer developed Oodinium, which we
treated & appeared to have eradicated. I understand that Henis are
cleaners when they are young. I have observed the Henis nipping at the
puffer's sensitive skin & fins, which irritates the puffer. Is it
possible that the Henis' harassment of the puffer caused the disease? If
so, I am concerned hat the disease may reappear. Will the Henis leave
the puffer alone asthey grow? Thanks for your insight. >> Good
observation on your part. Yes, many Butterflyfishes are facultative
(they don't have to) cleaners of other fishes as juveniles, including
the species of the genus Heniochus. I doubt that the cleaning behavior
actually caused the Puffers outbreak... and it is more than able to
reject the Heni's attentions. And yes to the last question. These
Butterflies will leave off with much of their cleaning behavior as they
grow more... stopping at 3-4 inches in length. Bob Fenner
Heniochus woes Hi Bob: I really enjoy your site and admire
your knowledge. <Ah, good and thank you> Two quick questions:
About two weeks ago, I bought three small Heniochus acuminatus. The tips
of their long fins (dorsal fins?) <yes> have become limp. Do you know
what the cause might be? <Most likely "just" from the move... and
will return to more upright orientation. Perhaps nutrition, water
quality effects... > Also, I have a 46-gallon tank. In it, I have the
three fish mentioned above, plus a Comet grouper, two clownfish, 5
snails and some live rock. I'd like to add one or two more fishes if
that isn't too many. Do you have suggestions of what others will be
compatible with the group I already have? Thanks so much. Vickie
J. in Vienna Va. <Um, this is already a bit much for such a size,
shape tank... Your "henis" will be crowded (if not so already), with
growth. I would add no more fish livestock to this system. Thank you
for writing. Bob Fenner> Heniochus Butterfly Greetings,
Bob! I've searched your site but can find no answer to my question. I
bought a Heniochus Butterfly the other day, and the skin at the top of
his long top fin seems to have separated from the bone (about 1/8th of
an inch). Is there anything I should do for him? He's eating and
otherwise okay, but it looks uncomfortable to me. What happens if the
top fin of a H. butterfly breaks? Does it regenerate? <Good
question, and a common occurrence. Especially Heniochus acuminatus and
larger H. diphreutes have tendencies to have their trailing dorsal fins
tear like this during capture, handling and shipping from the wild...
some collectors, transhippers even purposely cut the dorsal to prevent
further damage... and yes it will, does grow back... Just try to keep
the system optimized, stable and the fish feeding...> Also, can I add
an Atlantic blue tang to my 75 gallon fish only aquarium which already
houses a yellow tang and a purple tang? <Likely yes. But wait a good
month from now plus... to allow the new social dynamic to sort itself
out, the Heni to cure> Thank you very much! I appreciate your
guidance. Yours, Sherri Lindsey <A pleasure. Bob Fenner>
Hopefully help my Heni? Hi, Sorry about the subject line...I
couldn't resist. :-) <no... pleased to proffer a possible pedagogy>
<alliteration can actually be awesome :)> One of my two Heniochus
singularius has begun to develop white spots on the outside ends of his
tail fin & side fins (sorry...don't know the proper names). <no
worries... caudal and pectoral respectively> I looked through the
'Disease' section and the best I could guess was lymph. I don't have a
digital camera or I'd send you a picture. The spots do look rather thick
in a few places. I don't remember seeing them yesterday, but I was gone
for most of the day & night. He's been feeding fine (and is particularly
fond of Nori!). <yes... Lymphocystis is common on angels and
butterflies. And if the spots you see are larger than a grain of salt
and/or dissimilar in size then not a parasite. Lymph is a viral
infection... not fatal or curable> Would you please affirm/disaffirm
my tentative ID of problem? <as per above... looks lumpy and like
cauliflower small scale> Also...what steps should I take to resolve?
I do have a cleaner shrimp in the tank already... <helpful> should
I just watch & wait? <yes... and be prepared to scrape off with a
razor if they grow to bother the fish> I'm a little concerned as I'll
be taking a weeklong trip 8 days from now. I do have a friend coming by
daily who also has a saltwater tank. <no worries... its not fatal>
Thanks for your counsel & time. John PS--a photo ID section added to
your 'Disease' section would be GREATLY beneficial, allowing us to see &
compare diseases side by side! <yes... agreed... all in due time. We
are hard working, overachieving and overextended friends here. Unpaid
keeps the dream alive and very different from government work :)
Anthony> Re: Bannerfish with Velvet I am writing with
another follow up to my Bannerfish trouble. The last time I wrote I had
purchased a Bannerfish for my main tank and placed him in quarantine
when he developed white spots and a cloudy eye and would shake like
crazy while stating in one spot of the tank. We thought it was marine
velvet so we did 10 minutes freshwater dips and put CopperSafe in the
quarantine tank. We freshwater dipped the fish for ten consecutive days
and left him in the 20 gallon quarantine tank with CopperSafe for over
three weeks. A few days into the above treatment his eye cleared up but
he kept making the shivering motion in the water. I sent an e-mail to
The Crew and someone said his was more than likely due to the irritation
from the copper and not the parasite that was probably gone by this
point. <Agreed> I thought he was better but left him in the
CopperSafe for a total of 25 days to kill any parasites in the resting
stage. Well about a week into the above mention quarantine, I realized
the growths I was seeing on the fishes fins were Cauliflower disease and
then I read through the archives about this in your web site and found
this is not uncommon for different types of Butterfly fish. I also read
many articles where Bob described it as an environmental disease and he
stated the water conditions must be improved for the fish to be able to
fight this virus. <Yes, this is so> In a few archives Bob even
recommended placing the fish back into the main tank for stability.
<Yes> This is the route I chose as the water conditions in my 55
gallon sparsely populated tank with live rock were much better than the
20 gallon bare bottom quarantine tank with no live rock or carbon due to
the copper necessary for treatment. I thought I was in the clear as the
CopperSafe would have wiped out the Velvet over the three weeks of
treatment and the move of the fish to a copper free tank would stop the
irritation to the fishes skin and stop him from shivering. Well to my
surprise, I added the Bannerfish to my main tank and six days later, he
shivers worst than ever and has a cloudy eye again. My main tank had
been stable for a long time now and the three fish living there have
been very healthy. As of now, they seem to not have caught anything
from this mysterious Bannerfish but do you think I should move the
Bannerfish back to quarantine or allow him to beat the cauliflower in
the main tank? <I would leave it in the main tank... which is too
small for this species. Do you have a much larger system you can move it
to?> Does the shivering and the cloudy eye mean he has another form
of problem other than cauliflower? <No... all tied together with
environment> Please tell me what to do as I thought I was going to be
able to sit back and enjoy my new fish finally but now only sit around
and worry!. Thanks, Amy <No sense worrying. Re-direct your
energies, concerns to positive action. Bob Fenner> - Bannerfish
Flying at Half-Staff - I have a long fin butterfly or Bannerfish
as some people call them and his long extended dorsal fin seems to be
getting limp. Just the top inch or so. What can cause this? <Well, this
part of the dorsal fin is really like any other - there is a ray of
cartilaginous material, sometimes bone that gives the fin its rigidity.
In your fish's case, there is a break at that point - not all that
uncommon in capture/handling. Will heal in time provided a lack of
aggression from other fish and calm/quite for the Bannerfish... will
take months, but will heal.> Also my new Ocellaris clownfish likes to
lay on his side. He is new to the tank (2 days). I acclimated him along
with all the others, but he is the only one laying on his side and not
moving from the corner of the tank. Any suggestions. <Is this a
constant? Does the fish ever get about swimming? If not, things do not
fare well for this fish - as you might guess, would be a highly
vulnerable position to take in the wild, and this fish may have just
given up.> My other clownfish, also Ocellaris did this too and they
died! <Yes... would be what I would expect, sorry to say.> The pet store
tested my water as well as I did before I put them in and it was in
perfect parameters. What else can it be? <Could be compromised livestock
- perhaps something you are doing in acclimation. Please tell more about
this tank - size, age, etc.> Confused in Colorado Kelly
<Cheers, J -- > Cotton like growth / Is this fungus?
Howzit Guys: <Fine> I really enjoy your site and I refer to it
as my living marine encyclopedia. Thank you for sharing your
knowledge and all your support. <Welcome> I have a 5" Heniochus
that has developed a white fuzzy cotton like translucent growth about
1/32" round on one of her fins. All the rest of my fish are doing well
(flame angel, yellow tang & 2 clowns) in a 100 gallon tank with live
rock, 40 gallon sump w/ refugium & Chaeto, 4" sand base and protein
skimmer which has been running almost 1 year. I would like to say it
is a fungus because that's what it looks like, but understand that
fungus on live fish is not that common or am I mistaken? <Mmm, may
be a fungus... but sounds like a case of Lymphocystis...> She eats
primarily thawed brine shrimp and will not take other food stuffs,
<Not good nutrition... but a good clue> is very active and has nice
colorations. I am worried about not providing all the nutrients to
sustain her good health that may also contribute to this condition
because brine shrimp has little nutritional value. <Bingo> I
tested my water parameters and the ammonia, nitrate & nitrite are all in
check. The salinity is about 1.020, water temp @ 74 degrees and the PH
8.3. She is the newest addition to my tank prior to a 2 week quarantine
and a 10 minute freshwater dip with Methylene blue. Please help me
identify the problem so I'm sure I know what I dealing with, suggest a
cure and provide me with some alternative foods that my Heni may take a
liking to. I have tried a mash of thawed scallops, vitamin flakes, Nori,
garlic, vitamins mixed with the thawed brine to no success. Mahalo
and Aloha, Les <Please see the pix and read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/viraldislymph.htm on to the Related
FAQs linked above... Bob Fenner> Help with Wimple,
pop-eye/exophthalmia Hi Crew, <Eric> Thanks for
you help in the past I've had great advice from you. My setup is a Juwel
Trigon 350 with Live Rock, Polyps and the following tankmates:
Atlantic Anemone Bubble Anemone Bamboo Crab Hermit Crabs
(Various) Turbo Snails 2 x Cleaner Shrimp Golden Cleaner
Wrasse <Am wondering what species this is> 2 x Tank bred Clowns
Regal Tang Yellow Tang Wimple Fish The problem I'm having is
with my Wimple, which I just put into my tank a week ago from my
quarantine tank along with my regal tang. They both had white spot and
were cured after a long stay in the quarantine tank. After two days I
spotted a couple of white spots on the Wimple and decided to give it a
fresh water dip, which helped and hasn't had a spot since. I've noticed
now that his eye has swollen up and not sure what it is. <One sided?
Likely resultant from a physical trauma... a bump, net whack...>
I've tried to take a picture of both eyes, which I've uploaded to
http://www.jooste.f2s.com/Gill.html <Good pix... left eye
exophthalmia> I've tested the water and found everything to be fine
other than my Nitrates at 20ppm, which I'm battling to get down, and it
looks like a hint of Nitrite (testing with Salifert, which results in a
very light pink). I've been dosing the tank with Amquel+, to try and get
the Nitrates down, and I also use Kent ZOE, Kent Iodine, and sometimes
the Kent ZooPlex. If you could please help me find out what is wrong
with my Wimple and how can help him get his eye back to normal.
Thank you in Advance Eric <Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/popeyefaqs.htm and the linked files
at top. Bob Fenner>
Heniochus diphreutes maybe in Trouble - Urgent - Please advise
Hello WWM Crew - Need some advice. I purchased a 5" Heniochus
diphreutes about 3 days ago, which is in my 40 G quarantine tank. My
quarantine tank is cycled and I don't usually use copper in it
unless I really need to. The water parameters are: Ammonia 0, pH
8.3, Nitrites 0, Nitrates ~ 10, Temp 80. I do about a 5 - 10% water
change in the quarantine directly from my 300 Gal reef which has
very stable water conditions. o.k. -- Now the problem - The
butterfly is eating very well and I feed it vitamin enriched Mysid
shrimp fairly frequently in small quantities. It also seems to be
swimming around the quarantine, somewhat curious and looking for
food all over. However, over the past three days, I have started to
see a small white growth/sore on one of the sides of the fish. It
started out looking like a small wound, but it is starting to show
some white foam like growth on it. The fish does seem to shiver
every now and then. I was originally planning on using Melafix to
see if I could disinfect the wound, but now I am not so sure that
this is not a parasite. <I would not use this tea mixture> I
have attached a picture of the fish, and have marked the
wound/parasite as well. Could you please help me identify what this
may be? Should I start copper sulphate? Or move ahead with my plans
for a MelaFix treatment. <Likely either an "owee" from capture,
transport... or an expression of stress...> I look forward to
your advice. Thank You as always. -Azim <If it were me, my
fish, system, I would subtend the quarantine procedure in this
case... dip/bath the Heniochus... place it in your main system...
where there are hopefully biological cleaners... This is "worth the
risk" (small) of actual biological disease transmission. Bob Fenner> | 
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Heniochus acuminatus health 3/2/06 Hi Bob,
<James with you today.> Just a quick question regarding H.
acuminatus. I am expecting to buy two 3" - 4" size specimens within the
next week. Is a freshwater dip with a commercial dip mix a safe option
for these fish? How long should this dip last? <I wouldn't do a
freshwater dip unless I have a valid reason to do so. Quarantining is
your best option. Plenty of info on this on the Wet Web. James (Salty
Dog)> Thanks in advance,<You're welcome.> Joe
Re:
Heniochus acuminatus 3/3/06 Thanks James. <You're
welcome.> However I am curious as to why there is an acceptance among
the marine hobbyist community of dips/baths as a necessary step in
quarantining, when you have suggested that it need only be done when
there is a reason for it... By this do you mean visible signs of
parasite infection? <Yes...I don't take cold medication as a
precaution. Why stress the fish out if it isn't necessary. My
opinion.> In furtherance of my question yesterday on H. Acuminatus, my
quarantine tank is only 10gallons. Since these fish require a large
amount of space, will the 2-3 weeks in quarantine be more stressful
for them and outweigh the benefits of the actual quarantine? <I'd
suggest a larger QT. Putting the fish in the main display without QT
just risks possible disease outbreak to the other fish.> Thanks,
<Your welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Joe
H. acuminatus,
sel. dis. 4/14/06 Hi Bob, <Joseph> I
have a quick question on my 2 newly acquired H. acuminatus which I
bought 2 weeks ago. I picked them up from my LFS as soon as they were
delivered from a wholesaler. <Mmm, generally better to leave most
all marines at a dealers a week or more... with deposit if you "must
have them"...> They are about 3 inches in size and both looked
healthy. They have been in quarantine since then and during that
time I have noticed that one of them absolutely loves every food I give
it: brine shrimp with Spirulina, sea veggies, flakes, tiny pieces of
shrimp and squid, and Nori seaweed. This one has maintained a healthy
weight. The other fish, however, will only eat the Nori seaweed and
spits out everything else. I would like it to start eating some fleshy
foods. I have noticed that this fish has slightly lost a bit of weight.
Other than this both fish look healthy and very happy. My question
is whether I should be concerned about this fish's eating habits ahead
of it's release into the display tank next week? <Ummm, a tough
one... w/o seeing the actual specimen. But I would very likely risk
moving this/these "Heni's" in the hopes of furthering the ones
appetite... and not worry re the small risk in disease transmission
here> By the way, this is the first time I have used a quarantine
tank and I now appreciate the benefits it gives to us in not only
preventing disease, but allowing us to observe the new animals in a much
more tightly controlled environment. <Ah, bingo!> It makes it so
much easier to acclimate the fish to the water chemistry and especially
to new foods, which would be a lot trickier in the display tank (i.e.
size, competitors etc.). Thanks for the informative articles on this
topic! Thanks in advance, Joe <Welcome Joe. Bob Fenner>
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