Methylene Blue with Erythromycin? Naso lituratus hlth., beh.   6/11/08
Hello Crew!
<Charlie>
I have a somewhat urgent need for a definitive answer, I have searched somewhat here and have not as of yet found my answer. I do know that it is here, as I believe I have read it months ago. Yet, in my frantic search cannot for the life of me locate it on this vast wealth of information. So I come to you in hopes of finding it sooner. My thanks in advance for the help you offer. Now my question.
I have a 6 in or so blond Naso tang. She has been housed in my 135 for approximately 15-16 months.
<Will need more room than this>
This fish is BTW my favorite and I love Anna very much. This past weekend I relocated the tank to another room. She was temporarily housed with 12 other fish in a 65 filled with water straight from the 135. Anna was in there for about 15 hours with a heater and a Koralia 4 for flow. All fish made it back to the DT and were treated very well during the move. Most including Anna were hand caught
<Yikes...>
as they feed from my hand daily, and never saw a net. All look and act normally upon intro back to the DT except Anna. She displayed the typical dark shading when stressed and didn't feed the following day Sunday) Nor did she ever really socialize. Last night, I found here laying still, slightly curved and dark grey along the bottom.
<Tangs do lay on the bottom at night>
She is very listless and just plain weak acting. Any current will pin her in place. I have moved her into the 10 QT with an air stone/heater and dosed erythromycin.
<I would move this fish back to the main display.>
I cannot see any evidence of anything wrong with this fish. She does have a sore on her side. But that was definitely caused by being stuck against a power head. Which was caused be her ailment. I don't have any idea what it may be.
<My best, high-confidence guess is psychological stress... from being moved, kept in such a small volume... Will "get over it" in time... likely under a week. But DO move this fish into the larger quarters, now>
However in a last ditch effort to save her, I administered the erythromycin.
<These are miscible... no problem>
Finally here's my question...LOL I want to know if dosing Methylene blue along side the erythromycin is OK?
<Yes>
Also would it if it is, be of any possible help/harm to her. Really I don't think she's going to make it, but I will try anything you suggest. Also I feel as though her problem is caused by some kind of trauma she may have suffered while my watchful eyes were not upon her.
I thank you and so does Anna
Charlie Bunch
<Bob Fenner>

Juvenile Tang, Naso beh.   1/5/08
Hi - I have searched all my marine fish books, on line and through your wonderful website but I cannot find out whether juvenile lipstick tangs are supposed to have their yellow scalpels when small (3ins) or whether they appear when the fish is a bit more mature. Many thanks in advance. Juliette
<Are vanishingly small till they are about 10 cm./4 inches in overall body length. Bob Fenner>

Naso tang acting funny – 06/16/07
Hi,
<Hello Robin, Marie here>
I just got a Naso tang 6 days ago.
<One of my favorite fish! >
It was doing fine until today. It is just swimming in one place under a cave.
<What size tank do you have him in and does he have any tank mates that are harassing him?>
It is eating a lot of green seaweed and looks healthy. He use to swim all over the tank in a calm matter and now doesn't. Should I be concern and what should I do? My Naso tang is 3 inches
<He is still relatively new to his environment, it may take some time before he is comfortable. As long as he is eating well and appears healthy I would simply continue to observe him.>
Thank you.
<You’re welcome>

Naso tang... growth, size in captivity   3/31/07
My apologies if this information is out there, but I have looked seemingly everywhere with no luck.  We have a Naso lituratus as our prize fish in a 6 foot 240 gallon reef tank.  I know their maximum size is listed as 18 inches in the wild, but how big would one expect this fish to get in an aquarium assuming proper management, good health, good luck, etc.?
<Good question... about a foot standard length... this is a fisheries, ichthyological term: from the end of the snout/mouth to the bones of the tail called the hypurals... basically the caudal peduncle... the narrowing... Not the long elements of the tail fin itself... Can grow surprisingly quickly, as you state, given space, food, good conditions overall... to this length in a couple of years. Bob Fenner>

More pacing (swimming) with tangs - 2/17/03
Hey crew. I love the site, read it everyday..
<Thanks kindly, my friend>
I'll try and make this short. I have a Naso tang for about 3 months. He's great .he has a wonderful personality, eats like pig and very social and peaceful with the rest of my animals. He has no scars or signs of  illness or rapid gill movement. Everything looks good. The weird thing is at night when the lights go out, he'll start swimming back and forth from one end to the other .
<This is very common behavior with Naso tangs as well as Powder blue, Whitecheek and powder browns... cause by undersized tanks and/or lack of water flow (10X minimum... 20 X tank volume is better). Try extra water movement fish. Still... this fish is one of those species that needs large under-stocked tanks for vast open swimming room. Rather strict about it. A lot of rockwork or tanks under 6' for medium sized specimens may not be able to prevent this pacing behavior>
He doesn't hit anything or smack himself just swims back and forth .
<Understood. Its extremely common. You can see it a lot with these species listed in pet shop tanks and wholesalers where the fish are really crowded necessarily>
(only does this with lights out) The light are on timers first set goes off then the second set1/2 hr. later then the third set. and there's even a small night night,  so I don't think he's frightened.
<Agreed... but stress induced/nervous nonetheless... rather like big cats in the zoo that pace at times>
Is this nocturnal behavior, should I be concerned? I'm not sure how long he does this. But in the morning he's fine ,comes to the front of tank when I walk in. I am a bit concern. What do you think? As always Thanks ! you guys are the best!
Bill
<Do let us know if the extra water flow helps, my friend. best regards, Anthony>

Naso tang in shock
I acclimated my new Naso tang this morning.  Since he has been released into my system he has remained in shock (lying on the bottom, breathing rapidly, moving his side fins and keeping his dorsal fin erect).
<Signs of anoxia, a lack of oxygen>
  He has moved a few inches here and there but is otherwise looking pretty pathetic.  Is there anything that I can do to help?  Does his actions mean inevitable death?
<Add aeration ASAP. An airstone/mechanical diffuser, air intakes on your powerheads...>
The other fish that were acclimated were 2 Heniochus, flame hawk, anemone and a coral banded shrimp...all are doing extremely well.  Lights are still off.  Any suggestions or valuable insights?
Carrie
<Naso genus tangs are active, large animals that require high, consistent levels of dissolved oxygen... and as part of this, plenty of room to swim, have for gaseous exchange. And yes, best to leave the lights off for now. Bob Fenner>

Naso Tang
I have a Naso that is about 3 inches long. He paces back and forth every once in a while across the front of the tank. He eats well but I was wondering if the pacing means anything?
<This pacing behavior is usually caused by poor water circulation. Nasos in particular need very brisk water movement, 20 times the tank volume per hour. -Steven Pro>

Re: Naso Tang
How do I get 20 times the tank volume of movement?
<You can use a combination of powerheads and external return pumps.>
Will this affect the yellow tang and clown?
<No>
How does not having enough water movement affect the Naso?
<The theory is that they panic, thinking they got trapped in a tidal pool. If they were truly stuck behind a sand bar they would die from heat, low dissolved oxygen, or even a fish eating bird. But basically, they freak out from stagnant water. -Steven Pro>

- Naso Tang Life Span -
My fish died over the weekend and I believe it was 8 yrs old. 
<Am sorry to hear of your loss, but good job keeping it this long.> 
How long can these fish live? 
<In the wild, likely two to three times this amount. In captivity... hard to say, too many factors go into its quality of life. I'd say that under ideal circumstances [giant tank, lots of water flow, low competition for food], you could expect at least 15-20 years.>
Thanks, John
<Cheers, J -- >

Naso Tang Trouble - 02/03/2006
Hello WWM:
<Hi John.>
I appreciate your assistance in helping me diagnose a problem with a Naso Tang.
<I'll try.>
I have asked purported experts at 2 reputable fish stores to provide some guidance and each provided little or no assistance.
<OK...No pressure.>
THE ENVIRONMENT
*100 Gallon Tank
*100  Pounds of Tonga Rock
*Established 1 Year
*Temperature 84 Degrees
<I'd lower this to about 78-80 if possible.>
*Salinity - 1.023
*Ph - 7.9
<Try to get this up to about 8.3.>
*P04 - 0
*N03 - 30
<Ouch. 10 or less would be much better.>
*4 Clownfish
*1 Sailfin Tang
*1 Hippo Tang
*1 Flame Angel
*1 Royal Gramma
*1 Goby
THE PROBLEM
I purchased the Naso approximately 2 weeks ago. He appeared healthy and reasonably active in a relatively small store tank.
<Hmm...Reasonably?>
After we purchased the fish we acclimated him to the water temperature and did a fresh water dip prior to releasing him into the display tank.
<No QT I see. Only acclimated to temp.?>
We noticed with 1-2 days that one of his eyes appeared to be injured and we were told it was most likely an injury and not eye cloud or Popeye. The water quality is perfect and I just recently had the tank serviced.
<I wouldn't quite say perfect, but is mostly acceptable.>
That problem seems to be improving.
<Good.>
The second problem is that the tang also eats very little.
<Uh-Oh...>
Flake and pellet food are not of particular interest though he did at times eat the seaweed.
<Not good. Have you tried soaking these in a vitamin prep. or appetite stimulant?>
The real problem now is that for the past 2-3 days he has been moving erratically. He generally is inactive is often seen at the bottom of the tank or on an angle against the rock or, at times, flat on the crushed coral.
<Sounds like stress. The filtration seems inadequate with the nitrate levels, and Tangs need an environment with low metabolic wastes and high dissolved oxygen. It sounds like these are the problems as well as a lack of personal space for this fish.>
The gills are moving rapidly and the fish appears to be in severe stress. The service person said that everything is fine and further that Naso Tangs in particular tend to behave that way and will rest on the bottom of the tank and against rock and I should not be concerned.
<What!? This is definitely something to be concerned with.>
The fish will sporadically swim for short periods then will again rest at the bottom of the tank. When sporadically bothered by the other tangs the fish will tail whack and defend itself. The situation looks grim. Any suggestions?
<I don't think this tank is big enough for all these fish. This is probably a combination of environmental and psychological stress. I'd start with a good 25-30% water change to lower those nitrates. Given the mix of fish, I'd say you dissolved oxygen is low also, so I'd add an airstone or other means of aeration. How's the flow in your tank? Vigorous circulation is also necessary. Skimmer? Don't see one listed. As far as the mix you've got, review on WWM re, and consider reducing this load.>
Thank you.
John
<You're welcome. - Josh>

The Great Escape. Uncatchable Tang - 03/17/2006
Good Day all,
<Hi Pete.>
I have searched but have been unable to find a usable technique for catching a Naso Tang in a well populated reef system. I have a 6 inch Blonde Naso which I rescued from a poor local store about a year ago. He is now very healthy, eats all foods and gets along well with his tank mates.
<Great!>
The tank however is too small for this wonderful fish. To make a long story short, I have found a fellow enthusiast with a 500 gallon reef system that is willing to take the fish and give it a good home.
<Sounds Good.>
Is it easier to catch this fish at night when it is at rest?
<Could be, if you are quick. I fear that if the fish bolts for it when startled it could injure itself on the rocks.>
My attempts during the day are simply uprooting my corals. The fish seems to park in the same spot each night and is not disturbed by a flashlight so I thought it might be easier.
<Try recruiting the other hobbyist (tell them to earn their fish). Double team the Naso, one holding a container, the other herding the fish into it.>
Thanks in advance.
Pete
<Hope that Helps Pete. - Josh>
By the way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the WWM crew for this forum and encourage all who benefit from it to make a donation. The information we all receive is of great value and we should all show our support financially.         
<And a heartfelt thank you from the Crew.> <<The night-time approach may be worth considering here... This is how large Nasos are collected, at least in Hawaii... while they are "sleeping", lying on the bottom... Do take care, caution in any case while handling this fish, in a net or not... as those scalpel like projections are extremely sharp... and the fish knows it. BobF>>

Young Naso tang
I have had a young Naso tang in my tank for about 5 weeks now and it is doing great. I was wondering if this species of tangs develop their bright colors as adults. My Naso (3-4") is sometimes a very dark grey color with no other colors visible, to light grey with a little yellow on the forehead. I have seen larger Nasos with beautiful coloring. Is this normal for a juvenile, or is he lacking some nutritional need? thanks, diggy
<This sounds like a juvenile color pattern, but here are some care requirements for Nasos just to cover the bases. When they are small, they need frequent small feedings (two to three small feedings daily) due to a high rate of metabolism. They also need a large tank with brisk circulation. They are more of an open water fish and need a tank six foot long with circulation ten times the tank volume per hour (example 150 gallons needs 1500 gph actual rates). And lastly, read this for more info, http://www.wetwebmedia.com/naso.htm You are welcome. -Steven Pro>

Juvenile Naso Tang
Hey gang, just a quick question today. A friend donated a very juvenile Naso Tang to me the other day. He's only around 3.5 to 4 inches total length. He is already taking food; Mysid shrimp, Spirulina flake and Nori soaked in Zoe. 
<Ah, good... keep this big eater feeding...>
My question concerns his coloration. Most of the time he looks like a normal juvenile Naso should look. I have a couple in other tanks, including a streamer and a blonde. However, I have seen him turn very dark gray to almost black for extended periods of time. I know, from the other Nasos, that this coloration often results from the fish being under a certain amount of stress. Is it normal for juvenile Nasos to become easily stressed? 
<Yes... good observation and telling. Quite normal>
He is in an 80 gallon tank with excellent water quality. His tank mates include a small Flame Hawk and a juvenile Dragon Wrasse. I have never seen any conflict between the fishes. And I have very limited experience with a Naso this young. Just curious as to your thoughts.
<Stress more from just being in captivity and all it entails. But have seen small to large Nasos in the wild change light, dark, mottled in appearance. Bob Fenner>
Thanks in advance, Michael Mariani

Naso Tang
Mr. Fenner, I have an unusual concern with my Naso Tang. For some reason when he relieves himself, even though he eats like a pig, he turns around and eats his own waste. Seems to me that it cannot be normal, have any suggestions on this problem?
<Actually, not a problem... not unusual with this species, other related fishes (acanthurids in general), even some mammals (lagomorphs/rabbits are probably the best example). Don't worry about this coprophagous behavior. Bob Fenner>

Naso tang life span
What's the average life span of a Naso Tang once reaching full length ?<In captivity I would say it would take around 5-10 years for the Naso to attain its full length. In the wild about half that, IanB>