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Water Parameters -Ca/Alk 5/24/08
Hi crew,
<Hello.>
Had a question about my water parameters.
<OK>
I took some tests on my water parameters and wanted to go over a few things with
you guys. I always and forever have 500 Calcium in my tank. After doing some
investigating I realized that the salt I use has some Calcium enhancement which
is why I never had to battle with Calcium (actually its a bit high in my
opinion).
<It is, very high.>
Anyway, my Alkalinity is 7DkH. I wanted to get this a bit higher. <Yes> I took a
test of my Ph today I would say around 1PM (lights were on for about 2-3 hours)
and the results were between 7.8-8.0. The colors were very close to each other
and it was hard to tell. My girlfriend said it was more like
8.0. Regardless, I was aiming for the 8.3 area. I picked up some Seachem Marine
Buffer. Supposedly, this stuff raises to a target Ph of
8.3 while steadily increases Alk. I figured this is perfect considering I just
wanted to raise them both a bit. I used the suggested dosage.
<OK, sounds fine.>
My question is, after reading about supplements, I only hear people complaining
that they are just constantly dumping solutions into their tank to raise a
parameter and then have to go back to debuff another and it's a catch 22 cycle
that I don't feel like getting involved with.
<Not an issue when done correctly, with testing. Some people blindly dump stuff
into their tanks for days at a time and then test. Until you reach a balance on
what your tank requires you will need to test frequently.>
I started reading up on Calcium Reactors and it appears that these are basically
an Alkalinity Reactor.
<More or less, yes.>
I actually have a Calcium Reactor that I have laying around that I just cleaned
up. I was thinking of hooking this thing up but I am worried that this might
make my already high Calcium shoot up. I don't want to end up with Calcium
deposits all over my equipment (one of my newb mistakes that happened once for
dosing "Purple Up" and not testing my Calcium before hand) I do, however, wish
to benefit from the higher Alk that the reactor would provide. What is your take
on this?
<Calcium reactors are great, just expensive. If you have one I do encourage you
to use it. The problem being that your Ca/Alk will need to be in balance first,
the calcium reactor will not change this. With such a high Ca reading you may
have trouble raising your Alk. You may need to switch to a different salt if it
is what’s causing the high Ca. For more information regarding this check out
Anthony Calfo’s “marble” analogy: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm >
Thanks
<Welcome, good luck, Scott V.>
Water Parameters 5/27/08
Okay, thanks Scott. I was
already looking into getting a new salt.
<And/or source water, you will have to test your Ca/Alk to see what you get.>
So when do you think it is safe to install this Ca reactor?
<Anytime you have a need for Ca/Alk supplementation. You can install it now,
running it at a lower capacity whilst you get your numbers in balance with
supplements/water changes and then use the reactor to keep it there.>
I have a MTC mini-calcium reactor. I'm going to change the salt ASAP. I'm going
to keep dosing the Seachem. Thanks for your help.
<Welcome, Scott V.>
Ca Salt Mix Help 2/24/07
I noticed about two months ago that the calcium levels in my tank started to
drop (from 380s to 310s). I do weekly 20% water changes, and I've had trouble
keeping alk above 8 as well.
<Mmm... this sounds very familiar some how...>
Both alk and calcium are low. I assumed that I had an increased demand for bio
minerals in the tank.. just a couple of softies and coralline. As such, I just
purchased Aquarium Systems Reef Crystals - attempting to switch from Tropic
Marin - and made up a batch of Reef Crystal. I aerated the RO/DI water for a
day. Buffered with Reef Builder, and let it aerate another 12 hours.
<Good>
Mix in the salt and let that sit another day. The first batch of Reef Crystals
measured up:
SG: 1.023
PH: 8.43
dKH: 11.2
Cal: 320
<... weird... low Calcium. Wait... how much ReefBuilder did you add? This is the
most likely cause of Calcium loss here... read the label... a level teaspoon per
ten gallons of water is about all I'd use... never more than twice this>
I was concerned that the calcium was so low with a product I thought would be
closer to the 400 range. I used a Salifert and Aquarium Systems calcium test and
confirmed the calcium number three times. I concluded that maybe the buffer I
used might have driven down the calcium
<Yes... my guess as well>
so I made another batch of Reef Crystals in a different bucket without any
buffer and got a calcium reading of 325. I am very confused.
<Mmmm... this is about the sixth report this month of troubles with the formerly
tried and true, steady formulations of Aquarium Systems salts... I would write
the company directly re this... Perhaps have your LFS test this bag...>
Both calcium tests are about 1 year old. I suspect the Tropic Marin was having
low calcium readings before ever going in the tank as well.
<Really? Now... I would definitely test this as well... if you have any left.
Perhaps "it" is your test kits>
I know these are both fine salt mixes so I must be having some issue in the mix
process???
<Not from what you relate>
I add the salt to the water not the other way around. I've done the same process
for a year without low calcium readings. One of the mix buckets is spotless and
the other has a few white crystallization patches on the inside. The only
commonality is the power head, pump, and air stone which have some
crystallization on them from adding too much buffer several months ago. Any
thoughts?
<Yes... either the mix/es (not the TM though...) or your test gear>
I am completely puzzled. Do the calcium test go bad in only a year?
<No>
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
<Test the testers... have your best store make up a small batch... Write AS if
inherent trouble, please report your findings back to me/us. Bob Fenner>
High Calcium Levels 2/22/07
Hi...crew,
<Hello Mike>
I have a 54 gallon corner bow reef tank that has been up and running for about 9
months now. My problem, for which I haven't been able to find an answer to, is
this. I seem to have a very high level of calcium. It's over 600 on two
different test kits. Despite this high level of calcium I have very little
coralline algae growth. My LFS thought I might have low levels of magnesium but
I tested it and it is extremely high over 1500. Any thoughts about what's going?
I'm using a RODI unit and buffering the top off water. Also, for what it's
worth, my lighting is a 250w metal halide with a 20k bulb on for 12 hours a day.
Thanks for taking time to read this and thanks for such an outstanding website.
<A few questions Mike. What brand salt are you using, which brands of test kits
did you test with, and, are you presently dosing calcium and magnesium? And,
for the halibut, do you read any calcium level on your RO water before mixing
the salt? James (Salty Dog)>
Mike
Reef tank problems Calcium, Alkalinity, Magnesium – 2/20/07
Hello,
<Hi Bryan, Brenda here>
I have a 90 gallon saltwater tank that has been set up for almost
eight years. For the first seven years I used 4x96W PC with actinic/white bulbs
and never had any major problems. My tank had a lot of mushrooms, polyps, xenia,
leathers and a few hard corals like cup corals/pagodas. Then I switched to 250W
MH lighting with 14K bulbs. Over the course of 18 months I lost almost all of my
coral. I found out that my calcium and alkalinity were really low (due to the MH
lighting I guess).
<No, Not the lighting.>
I had been dosing just Kalkwasser up to this point, which apparently wasn't
enough to meet the needs of my reef.
<Are you testing for Magnesium?>
I have since started using B-ionic two-part solution. This has helped my calcium
and alkalinity to some degree but I cannot seem to keep the Ca over 380. My Alk
is usually around 3.8 to 4.2. I had acquired some new corals awhile back (polyps
and Montipora) and they are starting to look washed out and the polyps aren't
opening up much now. My tank has very little coralline and what is there looks
really washed out. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I'm about to give up on
MH and go back to PC since I never had trouble before. My MH lights are 8 inches
above water surface and I run them 10-11 hours a day. Do you think my tank is
getting too much light or not enough?
<Not a lighting issue>
The bulbs are only a few months old (ordered from Hamilton). Why can't I keep my
calcium above 380? I've even been doing double doses of B-ionic and it doesn't
seem to make much difference on the Ca levels. I started adding Fiji Gold on top
of Kalkwasser and Bi-ionic. My sand bed is only about one inch deep and is kind
of old. Is there a possible buffering problem? I do 7-10 gallon water changes
every 5-10 days using r/o water.
<Sounds like you are low on Magnesium. Purchase a Magnesium test
kit. Magnesium should be in the 1300 – 1500 range. Here is an article to help
you understand the importance of Magnesium, and its relationship to Calcium and
Alkalinity. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/oct2003/chem.htm >
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
-Bryan
<Any time Bryan! Good luck! Brenda>
Obscenely high calcium 2/20/07
Hello WWM Crew,
I have been using your site for 6 years now
<Whew, tempus fugit; time whips>
and I thank you for your effort to keep my animals alive. I can always find what
I need by searching the e-mail caches and articles, until now.
I have a 125g reef (180g total system volume) that I took down for 6 months
while we built our home. I kept the corals in a jetted bathtub in the sun for
that period of time. Shortly after setting it up again, I did a bad thing. After
10+ years in the hobby I thought I had idiot-proofed myself with all I've read
and experienced; apparently I'm not there yet.
I overdosed turbo calcium...to 1400.
<Yeeikes!>
I was thinking about something else and put in a heaping cup. I now know what a
snowstorm looks like. I figured I had a couple water changes in the future to
solve it, but no. I started out by doing 3X50% water changes and when that only
got it down to 800 I did a 100% change.
The day after that change my calcium was at 600. Three days later, today, my
calcium is at 740. So it's rising.
<Interesting>
During that 100% change I siphoned and mixed up all the aragonite substrate just
in case some of the calcium precipitated out of solution and stuck in the sand.
<Good move>
I mixed it with my hands and the siphon very thoroughly. I rinsed the live rock
in saltwater before replacing it, too.
I can't find anyone at my LFS or aquarium society who has heard of calcium so
high or the anomaly of rising calcium. I use Instant Ocean, not Reef Crystals to
mix my water.
My alkalinity is at around 8dkh but it fluctuates lower.
<I'll bet... in fact... I would raise this... the best way to precipitate out
the remaining excess Calcium... and do get/use a Magnesium test kit... these two
processes will rectify the situation here in good time>
Obviously I can't keep alk up with calcium this high. I had tried to drive the
alk higher so the calcium might be driven lower.
<Oh! Good... how?>
As you can imagine, some of my SPS are not happy with rapid tissue necrosis.
Coralline algae: not happy and receding. LPS: very happy and growing well for
some reason. The local fish store was accommodating enough to take a few of my
favorite SPS until I get this figured out.
<All can/will likely straighten itself out in time... Life is slow/er to respond
to the insult, correction... expect a lag... sort of like auto traffic; Iraq and
the U.S. economic collapse>
Any ideas that would help me finally solve this 2 month dilemma?
And no, my Salifert test kit is not inaccurate. The fish store came up with
the same test result.
Thank you,
Dan
<The Magnesium (cheap supplementation with Epsom Salt, over time...), and the
single part or equivalent of two-part alk/Alk. earth supplements (carbonates,
bicarbonates... perhaps with a little borate)... Time going by... Bob Fenner>
Dosing Question – 2/8/07
<Hi Scotty, Brenda here tonight>
First of all, let me say you guys are the best!!!
<Thank you!>
Now, I searched the forums and got some of my answer to this question, but
need you to finish it.
<I’ll try>
I add part 1 and part 2 of the Oceans Blend calcium and alkalinity
supplement. I have added over 48 ml in the last 72 hours, but my test kit
is showing no increase in calcium (stays at 350ppm). My pH has been rising,
even though I have added an equal amount of part II (alkalinity).
<I need actual results of pH>
I do not have an alkalinity test kit yet (will get one soon), so I have no
idea to see where that is, and am basing any decision I make on an unknown.
<Yikes! Please stop! You will also need a Magnesium test kit. Mg should
be in the 1300 – 1500 ppm range for everything to balance properly.>
So my question is should I continue with both parts until my calcium gets to
400 ppm.
<No>
Should I use one for a few doses without the other as a way to balance out
the pH? Or should I just sit tight and let things get settled?
<Sit tight until you get some more test kits.>
Best idea is to listen to what you guys <or gals> have to say.
<Never dose calcium, alkalinity or magnesium into your tank until you know
what your levels are. Please read for a better understanding: www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm
www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-04/rhf/feature/index.htm
www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/oct2003/chem.htm
www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-03/rhf/index.php#3
Also, here is a calculator to help you with dosing. It sure makes my life
easier: http://home.comcast.net/~jdieck1/chemcalc.html
>
Scotty, NY
<Good luck Scotty, and be patient! Brenda>
Low Calcium... lack of chem. understanding... 2/1/07
Hello all. Attached (I hope - I am learning about computers as well as
reefing)
<Good. I see it>
is a spreadsheet in Excel format. I hope you can open it to help me with my
question: low calcium. I have done a lot of reading about calcium and
alkalinity and the process may even be evident in the spreadsheet.
<It is>
My calcium level rarely goes over 235meq/L.
<Mmm, yes>
At one point I was using too much buffer in my top off water which would explain
it (marbles in a jar),
<Yes>
but I have since mended my ways, let the alkalinity drop, but with no
improvement in the calcium level. I use a calcium reactor (effluent 280meq/L)
and for a while tried Kalkwasser for my top off, but the tubing became regularly
clogged.
<... a few comments to be made at this point... the Kalk needs to be made and
delivered differently... likely... at night time/in the dark... or for now, not
at all...>
For the last two weeks I have been adding a Kalkwasser slurry (1 tsp/pint
RO/DI shaken not stirred) added to the sump at the return pump inlet first thing
in the morning when the pH is lowest.
<Better to do during the dark/night...>
The pH jumps up 0.2, then climbs slowly with the lights on, rarely reaching
8.2 by lights out.
<This is okay>
My tank is a one year old 65 gallon with a 17 gallon sump, 150Wx2 10K MH, 4-5"
DSB, in-sump skimmer (LifeReef) producing a cup of tea-green skimmate daily,
weekly 10% water changes with aerated, buffered RO/DI and Tropic Marin ProReef
salt. No refugium yet - on order. There are 10 small fish (1.5-2.5"), three
small struggling SPS (1") frags, a large Savona (5") and scattered softies and
mushrooms. There is a pretty hefty encrustation of coralline on the live rock
(94#) and back wall.
Water parameters are: ammonia:0, nitrite:0, nitrate:0, 79-80 degrees, s.g. 1024
and calcium, pH and alkalinity per spreadsheet (Salifert). What am I missing?
<Mmm, too many variables being manipulated at once mainly... along with a lack
of basic (pun intended) chemistry... Can you visualize the chemical species
you're adding, the simple ionic and covalent reactions you're "doing" here?>
Should I turn up the CO2/output on the reactor (I worry about excess
CO2/algae/low pH)?
<I'd "practice" here... with a measure of effluent pH... down to 6.8 or so
during the day/light hours>
I can't increase the amount of Kalkwasser or the pH will jump too much,
<I'd cut out the Kalk period for now...>
unless I add more then once daily. Please advise. Like all, I am most
appreciative (and addicted to) you patient answers to our questions. Best,
Hugh.
<Please re-read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Cyano in Ca 800ppm??? Not likely 1/4/07
Happy New Year to my friends in fish!
<Hopefully not *in* fish!>
I am having one heck of a time developing coralline algae growth.
<If you don't have any to start with, you won't get it in the end either. Do you
have at least some on the rock?>
I have had the live rock for 1 1/2 years. I have a 125G pentagon shaped tank
that is 27" deep. I have one 96W 10,000K bulb and one 96W actinic in my power
compact that are on for approx. 12 hours each.
<That's a lot of light if this is FOWLR. Try 8-9hrs.>
My dKH hovers around 10, my pH is fine at between 8.2 and 8.4,
<Have seen coralline make an easier go in 8.6 or so until development is
accelerated.>
but my calcium is off the chart at around 800!
<Woah! You must have dust EVERYWHERE!>
I have been told by the LFS that the high calcium level is the reason why I am
growing Cyano instead of coralline algae.
<I'm not sure about that... Cyano usually doesn't do well in high concentrations
(or precipitations, in your case) of Calcium, like 420+ Also, Cyano is a strong
flow hater.>
My bad...I was dosing without monitoring.
<Bad! Lay down! No TV for you tonight!>
I realize that coralline can be the same color as Cyano, but I can remove it
from the rock with a toothbrush, so I think that it is Cyano.
<If it *is* Cyano, then the coralline will not compete. Usually, red
coralline is
just as tough as any other encrusting algae, but you should make sure you
actually have red Cyano before scrubbing...
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cyanocontrolfaqs.htm but I digress. We need to
get to the bottom of your over the top Ca levels. If you use tap water and the
"just wait" method of chemical removal, then you need to test your premix when
you do a water change. I would recommend an RO/DI or at least an inexpensive DI
($30 online price) to purify your tap water.>
Please let me know if the high calcium is the reason for my failure to develop
coralline and my success in growing Cyano. I would appreciate your advice to get
me on the right track to developing the good stuff.
<Don't think so, but let's start with trying to replicate the reef eco-system a
little more closely first: 400-460ppm. Then read these:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm and
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/corlineidfaqs.htm I think you will find a few
blurbs about coralline's preference for actinic.>
Sincerely,
Mitch Poris
<Graham T.>
Calcium and more... 12/28/06
Hello Crew,
<Zoilo... are you aware that there is a genus of Cypraeids, Zoila...?>
I been using B-Ionic for almost a yr now, and I just found out that this is not
good for long term use?.
<Mmm, according to whom? Is fine IMO/E>
So, the plan is to switch to Tropic Marin calcium...
reading the instruction it says that I have to sprinkler it on top of the water
in the sump. But then again , I have read (on this site of course) that it is
not advisable to follow that instruction for it will or might damage the pumps,
and the calcium powder will not completely dissolve... should I just dissolve
this first in fresh or salt water ?
<Best to dissolve all such materials in/with new seawater, allow to mix, store
for a few to several days ahead of use>
then pour it directly in the sump or in the tank?
How will you guys rate the performance of this product (Tropic Marin Calcium)?
<Is a good product, but really is only "half" of the B-Ionic product...>
I know they're great in their salt ($$$) but I have no idea on calcium.
Also will this be a good or bad move?
<Myself? I'd use B-Ionic... and perhaps add some of the TM calcium product if
this were too low...>
I used to drip Kalk when I first started this hobby (about a yr ago) but seems
like my sand gets compacted and gets really hard so I stop using it. Do you
know what's causing this and how will I prevent it.
<Yes... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the linked files above>
I would really like to use Kalk If I could only prevent this from happening.
Does anyone try this new or maybe I should say top of the line Chemi Pure
"Elite" that just came out ?
<I have not>
it says they add something to it to reduce phosphate, nitrate and Cyano
problem?
<A chemical filtrant of some sort... are the ingredients listed?>
Another question, on Clown Fishies, I have a pair of True Perculas...do they
really have a habit of wiggling their tails in the sand?
<Yes>
and do they ever sleep?
<Mmm, yes... in a manner>
seems like they're always moving their body even in lights out or anytime I
check my tank in the middle of the night. Also, does anyone have any plan of
getting a Midas Blenny? I have one myself (8mos),
and I tell you, this is the most amazing fish that I have ever owned...what a
character & what a great addition to your reef.
<The genus Ecsenius are indeed curious, intelligent animals>
Thanks again for this great site ... the patience & understanding.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
Nemo1
<And to you and yours my friend. Bob Fenner>
Lowering Ca - 12/07/06
Thank you for your quick response. Is there anything I can do to lower
Calcium levels? I use Instant Ocean reef mix, and don't use any additives
currently.
Daniel
<Mmm, oh yes, dilution, interaction with alkaline materials... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/CalciumFAQs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Best time to add calcium 10/2/06
Crew,
<Mark>
I have a 60 gallon DAS tank with 65 pounds live rock and 110 pounds live sand.
We also have a hammer coral and a xenia. When is the best time to add my
calcium, iodine and strontium? Right now we add these in the morning but my wife
would like to not have the cloudiness from the calcium so I am curious if there
are any ill effects if I added these at night after the lights go out? Also we
currently use Purple up liquid calcium. I add 7 ml a day.
<Calcium is best added when the tanks pH is at its lowest. This is usually hours
after the lights have been off and can be determined with a quick ph test or
monitor. I suggest using a two part liquid calcium system as these will give you
easy control over your calcium and alkalinity.>
What are your suggestions?
<Concerning dosing iodine and strontium you need only add these when testing
dictates. You may be holding at acceptable levels with regular water changes,
and might actually do harm/waste money by dosing without testing. Please test
for anything you add to your tank. Testing may not be the most fun aspect of our
hobby (for most people), but it can save your tank as well as you wallet.>
Thanks,
<You're welcome, wish you the best! Emerson>
Mark
Calcium Supplementation in a Small Tank - 09/03/06
Hello.
<<Howdy>>
I've read in your articles that with frequent water changes supplementation of
calcium, strontium, magnesium and other trace elements is not necessary in salt
water tanks.
<<Many times this is true...but it is highly dependent on the amount of calcium
assimilating life in the system and the frequency/volume of the water changes>>
I am thinking of slowly changing my FOWLR tank into a reef tank. Would the above
still be the case in a reef tank or is supplementation required when you begin
adding corals?
<<Will depend on the quantity and the species...but it is easy enough to perform
water tests to determine a need for supplementation>>
Just to give you some info on my tank it is a 10 gallon with 15 lbs of live rock
and 50 watts of power compact lighting.
<<Ah, I see...a tank this size rarely if ever requires supplementation as it is
quite simple and inexpensive to perform adequate water changes to keep up with
mineral demands>>
Thanks for your time.
<<Quite welcome. EricR>>
SeaChem Calcium Supplements 8/16/06
Hi there!!!
<Hello>
I have a question regarding two SeaChem calcium products,
Seachem Reef Complete and Seachem Reef Calcium. The latter one is a
polygluconate base calcium. I have read somewhere that calcium chloride can
mess up water chemistry in the long run. My question is, is the SeaChem
Reef Calcium the same thing as calcium chloride? Just says polygluconate on
the bottle so Am not so sure.
<This is from the horse's mouth;>
Reef Calcium™ is a concentrated (50,000 mg/L) bioavailable polygluconate
complexed calcium intended to maintain calcium in the reef aquarium without
altering pH.
Polygluconate complexation confers several benefits: it increases the
bioavailability of the calcium, it provides a rich source of metabolic energy to
help maintain peak coral growth, and it prevents calcium
precipitation/alkalinity depletion. Polygluconate contains no nitrogen or
phosphorous, thus it is biologically impossible for it to lead to algae growth
in a properly maintained reef system.
Reef Calcium™ may be used alone to maintain calcium but will provide enhanced
levels of coral growth when used in conjunction with an ionic calcium supplement
(Reef Complete™, Reef Advantage Calcium™). Reef Calcium™ is intended to maintain
calcium levels; if calcium becomes seriously depleted one should either perform
a water change or use an ionic calcium supplement to restore the depleted level
of calcium.
<If more info is desired, I suggest you go to the SeaChem site and contact
them. I'm also thinking this calcium is a chelated form and you need to
ensure your test kit will read this. Correct me here Bob, if necessary. James
(Salty Dog)>
Anemone System/Calcium Levels/Faulty Test Kits - 08/14/06
Hello There;
<<Howdy!>>
We are looking into converting our 92 gallon FOWLR tank to a more invertebrate
type tank, specifically bubble tip anemones.
<<Mmm, indeed creatures best kept in a "species specific" system>>
We've been researching lighting, compatibility, feeding, and water quality.
<<Excellent...have you been through our articles/FAQs? http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/bubbletipanemones.htm
>>
Our LFS gave us a Nutrafin calcium tester as well as magnesium tester so we can
start tweaking our levels as we learn more about what we should know to
adequately care for these guys.
<<Hmm...balanced and excellent water quality is a must, but I think you should
concentrate more at this stage on ammonia/nitrite/nitrate and getting/keeping
all at "zero"...the calcium and magnesium will balance/be supplemented
adequately through frequent water changes. An "anemone" system will not have
need for high levels/usage of these>>
We happen to have beautiful coralline growth on all of our live rocks as well as
what I assume to be "mini" bright-orange tube worms, so we imagined our calcium
levels wouldn't be too bad.
<<Are likely fine, yes>>
Well, to our surprise, our calcium levels were well over 700, we stopped at 760
as to not waste our newly purchased test kit.
<<I seriously doubt this is correct...I would try a better test kit (Salifert,
Seachem) and see what you find>>
My question is; is too much calcium bad for the anemones, and also just out of
curiosity how do you think we've managed to have such an overwhelming calcium
level to begin with? Any information you can give us is greatly appreciated.
<<An elevated calcium level shouldn't bother the anemone, but I honestly think
your test kit is in error. Try one of the brands I suggested and
retest...likely the reading will be/is much lower...I would also obtain a kit to
test your alkalinity to validate the calcium reading as these two components are
mutually exclusive (please read here for better understanding:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm)>>
-Thanks
<<Happy to assist. Regards, EricR>>
High Calcium Low pH 7/15/06
Hi,
<Hello>
I have a question I hope you may be able to help me with. I tried searching
your database but couldn't locate an answer there. I have a new 120 gallon
saltwater setup. The only things in it right now are 120lbs of Caribbean live
rock and 120 lbs of live sand. I use R/O water and Kent's Sea Salt to mix the
water. The calcium reading I am getting is almost 600
<Way too high...>
with a pH of some were between 7.8 and 8.0.
<A bit low... and not surprisingly... the overly high concentration of
biominerals is depressing (precipitating) the alkalinity...>
A couple of weeks ago approximately 2.5 gallons of Kalkwasser solution was
inadvertently put into the tank in about 6 hrs.
<...>
(The adjustment on the Aquadoser was rolled the wrong way accidentally.) I'm
not sure what the calcium reading was before this but the pH has never
been above 7.8 since
<... yes>
I began testing it just after the live rock cured in May. The exception being
when I tested it just after the Kalkwasser incident when it was at 8.4, but it
quickly dropped down again within a week (not good I know). I am adding
Seachem's Marine buffer to try to raise the pH put am seeing little affect after
4 days of use. Is the high calcium level preventing the pH from going up (I
know calcium and alkalinity go hand in hand and alkalinity affects the pH
somewhat)?
<Oh yes>
Also is that calcium level dangerously high or is it OK for now unit it comes
down over time. The coralline algae has taken off with it at this level and is
gradually lowering the
calcium level at it uses it, the level was at 660 just after the accident with
the Kalkwasser.
Thanks in advance for you help,
Brandi
<You need a bit of practical chemical knowledge, understanding... Please read
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the linked files above... You'll soon know what went on, your possible
courses for improvement. Bob Fenner>
Calcium will not rise. Calcium/Alkalinity 7/8/06
I have a 100 gallon SPS reef aquarium that has been set up for a few years.
Recently I have been having a great deal of trouble maintaining
my calcium and alkalinity level. I have around 30 colonies of SPS coral and many
of them are starting to look pale, like they are
bleaching. I had been keeping the calcium at around 420ppm by adding Kent Marine
Liquid Reactor every few days, along with some Kalkwasser
with the RO replacement water. However, within the last month the calcium has
fallen to 360ppm.
No matter how much calcium supplements I add the calcium level will not rise and
maintain. For the past week I have been putting in 3-5 times the recommended
dose of calcium, along with LARGE quantities of Kalkwasser. Right after adding
these additives the calcium will be around 400ppm but within six hours it is
back down to 360. The alkalinity will be around 9 or 10 after the additives,
will sometimes include Kent Marine Coral Builder, but about
six hours later is around 7. The coralline algae, which did grow extremely fast
is now looking pale, just like my coral. What should I do? I really have no clue
what is going on and why the levels keep dropping. So for the length of this
email, I just wanted you to know the whole situation. Thanks for you help.
<Andrew, do read here first, and get an understanding of calcium/alkalinity
relationship to one another. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
You mention nothing of water changes, are they carried out on a regular
basis? Is strontium and magnesium being dosed along with iodine? Excess CO2 in
the make-up water can cause this also. Do aerate the freshwater 24 hours before
mixing the salt. Then let the mix stabilize for 24 hours before using. James
(Salty Dog)>
Andrew
Tank Problems/Sketchy Info...Look To The Water Changes - 06/18/06
Dear Crew,
<<Chris>>
Just when I thought I was getting the hang of things, disaster strikes.
<<Uh-oh>>
I have a light fish load--a sleeper goby, a yellow tang (small) and a cleaner
shrimp. I just found the shrimp dead, and I am very surprised since it seemed
okay as recently as this morning.
<<Was there some sort of trauma/environmental issue involved? May be nothing
more than "old age" here>>
My pH is a consistent 8.5-8.6, and I'd been dosing twice a day with
calcium to get levels up to normal (it had been hovering around 180 but even
with twice a day dosing only went up to 220).
<<Mmm, though not deleterious in my opinion, your pH is a bit on the high side
with no clue/explanation as to why. And what is your alkalinity reading? Be
careful that you don't mal-affect/disrupt the balance between your alkalinity
and calcium by dosing the calcium product only. It is best in my opinion to
"dose" calcium and a buffer (alkalinity) together as a two-part system unless
making a "one-time adjustment" (monitored with a reliable test kit) at which
time a calcium chloride or calcium gluconate supplement is effective>>
Anyway, I also added a nice zoanthid at the same time as the goby, about two and
a half weeks ago. I'd written earlier that it never
fully opened like it had in the store. You suggested moving it lower in the
tank (it had been near the top). Since doing that a week or so ago, the zo's
are slowly disintegrating, and even the pods that were opening are no longer.
<<Likely something environmental other than your lighting at play here>>
This is pretty bad--I don't know what to do or what information I could offer
that could explain things. Many thanks... here are my specs for your
review--please let me know if there are any other specs which would help with a
diagnosis.
Tank: 37G high w/ 10G sump and skimmer
Lighting: 130W CF
Water (RO): Salinity .022 / pH 8.5-8.6 / Calcium 220 / LOW nitrates / Temp
83-84
<<Okay, a few things to mention here. Firstly...STOP dosing! On a tank this
size it should be a simple matter to keep the water elements in appropriate
concentration/balance with simple water changes (20% twice monthly). Are you
buffering your RO water before adding the salt mix (can be done easily with
plain baking soda)? Do you let the mix stabilize a "minimum" of 24-hours before
adding it to the tank? What brand of salt mix are you using? Perhaps a change
to one of the more consistent mixes (in my opinion) would help...Instant Ocean
and Tropic Marin get my top votes. Your salinity is a factor as well and may be
a contributor to the demise of the zoanthids...increase this to natural seawater
levels (1.025-1.026 s.g.). Next..."LOW nitrates" is of no help...what is the
specific reading? Anything much over 5ppm is likely also a contributor to your
coral/invert's failing health. Again...water changes will help with this
too. Lastly, the water temp, while at the upper limit, should not have been a
direct problem if the animals were properly acclimated. But that's not to say
you shouldn't do something to bring it down a bit...you don't have much "buffer
zone" here if something should drive it up further>>
My water temp is obviously high. I don't have air conditioning and keep the
room dark all day long to avoid sun-heating. I'm sure this is a cause, but is
it THE cause?
<<Hard to say...maybe just a/the catalyst>>
If not, what else could it be?
<<Likely a combination of things as I've alluded>>
I know a chiller would help but would a room air conditioner be an option?
<<Indeed, yes! As would adding a small fan to blow across the water's surface
for some evaporative cooling>>
Thanks again for everything.
<<Always welcome>>
Sadly,
Chris
Los Angeles, CA
<<Chin-up mate! Buffer your RO water, verify the efficacy of your salt mix,
increase the salinity, perform a large initial water change followed by frequent
partial water changes as outlined, and reduce water temperature by a few degrees
and you'll likely see an improvement in overall tank health rather
quickly...though it may be too late already for the zoanthids. And not to pour
salt on a open wound...but this tank is way too small for the continued good
health of the yellow tang. Please do consider trading it back to the store for
a more suitable inhabitant. EricR, Columbia, SC>>
Question on Substrates part 3... actually calcium 5/31/06
What it the fastest way to raise calcium levels? I've been using ESV B-Ionic
but my levels are still below 200ppm. I do monthly water changes, 20 gal at a
time. I have a 135 gal tank.
<<You can use calcium chloride products like "Turbo Calcium" but do be sure that
the calcium stays in balance with the alkalinity. You can also use more
B-Ionic, especially if the alkalinity is also low. With levels that low, I
would also verify the results on another test kit. Best Regards. AdamC.>
Kalkwasser Reactor versus Calcium Reactor - 05/26/06
** High Priority **
** Reply Requested When Convenient **
Please help.
<<I shall try>>
I am getting bombarded with "best practice" suggestions. I've read that some
run both units (Kalk reactor/calcium reactor) -- using the elevated pH effect of
the Kalkwasser addition at night to offset the reduction in pH caused by CO2.
<<This is one approach. I have/use both reactors...but mine are in operation
24/7>>
Others suggest getting either unit to supplement calcium levels.
<<If I could only use one, it would be the Kalk reactor>>
Others maintain that Kalkwasser is the better option with noting but benefits
provided it is administered correctly (i.e. limited to night only when pH levels
are usually depressed)
<<I disagree on the application. When using a Kalkwasser reactor in conjunction
with an auto top-off unit there is little (if any!) danger/more benefit to
letting it operate "'round the clock" in my opinion>>
I have started using a Kalkwasser stirrer with a dosing pump to add all my RO
top-up water to the tank at NIGHT ONLY.
<<Truly no need for this hassle...hook it up and let it operate 24/7>>
I have been naively adding 2 tablespoons of Kalkwasser to the unit every 2 weeks
and leaving it to run on an automatic float switch.
<<Mmm, is this per the instructions with the unit? You likely need to add more
than this for a two week period>>
Now I have just been told that this is dangerous and can stuff up pH levels and
in the long term drop alkalinity!!!
<<Not when used merely for top-off/evaporation replacement...as long as you are
"dosing" small amounts on a frequent basis and not waiting till you need to add
a gallon of water to top up the tank>>
I am totally bewildered -- please advise what is best practice when using Kalk
Stirrer?
<<Just as I've stated...but feel free to write back to me if you need further
clarification>>
And would you advise that I look at getting rid of the stirrer and replacing it
with a calcium reactor instead?
<<Nope...use both if you have them>>
Or is having both units better?
<<I think so, yes...but is not a necessity>>
Regards
Rayven
Durban, South Africa
<<Cheers, Eric Russell...Columbia, South Carolina>>
Calcium Hungry Tank - 05/21/06
Dear Crew,
<<Hello Jim>>
I am a (moderately) experienced reefer of 5 years and have a lot of hard coral
in my tank.
Porites
Pavona
Several Caulastrea
2 Euphyllia
1 Merulina
2 cup corals
1 Acro frag
<<I see>>
The tank is 130 gallons and is lit by halides. I have a calcium reactor running
but it seems to just replenish magnesium and carbonates (which is fine).
<<I imagine it is also adding calcium...though maybe not enough to keep up with
demands. Or perhaps a matter of better "tuning" the reactor. Have a look here
and among the indices in blue:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcreactors.htm >>
I am struggling to keep this tank fed with Kalkwasser additions. I currently
top off 2 litres of 2 teaspoons Kalk and its very hit and miss.
<<Mmm a bit much, I doubt all the Kalkwasser will dissolve in this volume of
water...try backing off to roughly half what you're using now>>
I currently mix a bottle up at the start of the day and dose with a peristaltic
pump in the evening but it only gives me a 30ppm increase (this is done by lots
of shaking of the bottle). Sometimes if I’m in a rush there is no calcium
addition at-all (I add the Kalk and leave the bottle standing). Do I shake the
bottle up and poor the slurry in direct?
<<This can be done...start with about 1/8th of a teaspoon mixed in cold RO
water, and make adjustments from there. The idea is to add as much as you can
without increasing pH more than two tenths of a unit (e.g.- 8.2 to 8.4)>>
Or shake the bottle up through the day and top off the clear solution through
the pump?
<<This is much how a Kalkwasser reactor works (easy enough to DIY), and perhaps
your best answer here>>
Thanks
Jim
<<Welcome, EricR>>
WWM Question on Substrates part 3 4/16/06
How much turn over do you recommend for a tank? Is that filtered or just
movement?
<<For a reef tank, turn over of at least 10x the tank volume is ideal. Some
aquarists use 20x or more. Those figures apply to the amount of water movement
within the tank. This can be provided by return pumps, powerheads, power
filters, etc., but in-sump protein skimmers don't count.>>
What about Aragamite or Aragamilk?
<<These products are nearly useless for maintenance of calcium and alkalinity
since like aragonite sand, they are practically insoluble at normal reef tank
pH. Best Regards, AdamC.>
pH and Calcium supplements 4/10/06
What product do you recommend to raise pH and calcium levels?
<<Be sure you understand and test for Alkalinity. pH measures how acidic or
basic the water is. Alkalinity measures the buffering capacity of the water, or
in other words, the ability of the water to resist changes in pH. Both are very
important, and alkalinity is widely under-appreciated. In any case, Kalkwasser
is very useful in supporting pH, Alkalinity and calcium. It is cheap and easy
to use. Grocery store pickling lime can be substituted for cost
savings. B-Ionic by ESV, C-Balance by Twolittlefishies and TechAB by Kent are
all two part preparations (one part calcium, one part alkalinity) that work
extremely well and are extremely convenient to use, but are somewhat
expensive. There are recipes for "home brew" two part additives floating about
the internet, but are probably best followed only by those with some chemistry
background. Last, but not least... you can use commercially available dry
calcium and alkalinity additives. They are cheaper than two part additive
systems but require a bit more care in their use. Tropic-Marin makes a great
dry product called BioCalcium that adds calcium and alkalinity in one
product. Any of the above can work very well. Best Regards. AdamC.>>
Calcium Additives For Marine Aquarium - 03/15/2006
I have a 55 gallon tank recently setup with 25 LBS live rock, CPR dx6
protein skimmer, cs150 CPR overflow. I have 2 inches of live sand and other sand
for substrate. No fish yet. I also am using RO/DI water for water changes and
maintenance. I am looking into calcium and its effects. Your site is great and a
little overwhelmed by information. My question is Kalkwasser, which is the best
supplements to use?
<Unless you fully understand the effects of Kalkwasser, you would probably be
better served by another choice. The Kalkwasser would change your chemistry
"ball game".
Can you suggest which way to go with using Kalkwasser or just straight calcium
products and which has had more success.
<Too much to try and cover in e-mail. Try studying here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the related links above. Bottom line though, if you feel uncomfortable with
it don't use it. A good frequent water change schedule (with properly prepared
water) would be best. Eliminates the need for much of these.>
Thanks
Cary
<You're welcome. - Josh>
High Calcium and Nitrates in a Reef Tank - 3/8/2006
Hello,
<<Hello Adrian.>>
HELP! I'm facing few problems with my saltwater reef-fish 55-galon tank.
1) High calcium level. It's ~600. I tried the baking soda method but no
help. I used the red sea and another brand of test kit to test the calcium
level and both yield similar result.
<<What salt mix do you use? Are you adding calcium? Try doing several water
changes using Instant Ocean, or another high-quality salt mix.>>
2) High nitrate. It's ~100. I already reduced the quantity of food. Hopefully
that will bring it down. Do you know any other quicker way? I'm already
changing 15-20% of water biweekly.
<<Test your source water. If it has low/no nitrates, change the water more
often to bring it down. Also, look into refugiums, covered on WWM.>>
3) Red algae on rocks. I see patches of red algae everywhere sometimes even on
the sand. See attachment. I read articles on your site and the algae sounds
like bacteria.
<<Likely Cyanobacteria/BGA.>>
Hopefully reducing the quantity of food will minimize or get rid of this
problem. Do you know any other way?
<<Physical removal, limiting nutrients through food, and adding a refugium are a
few that come to mind. Read on WWM.>>
4) Hair-like plant/things on rocks. See attachment. The plant is few
millimeter long, yellowish/beige. What's it? And how to get rid of it?
<<Your picture is unclear.>>
I checked the water condition:
Ph 8.0-8.3
Nitrite, 0
Ammonia, 0
Alkalinity, high (good according to the kit)
Specific gravity, 1.024
Temp, 77 degree
Nitrate, ~100
Calcium, ~600
Thanks,
Adrian
<<Glad to help. Lisa.>>
Dosing/Overdosing - 03/04/06
Hi all.
<<Howdy>>
I have a problem and it is concerning me. I am trying to get my
coralline to grow faster so I've been treating my water with Seachem Reef,
Buffer, Calcium, and Plus.
<<Mmm...are you sure you need all this? Have you performed water tests re? The
Reef Calcium alone will help with coralline growth.>>
I was using Calmax by WM research till it ran out now I'm using the Seachem
products. Only have a small Hammer Coral and some
Green Button polyps. I added the Reef Calcium, Reef Plus and Reef Complete
today and a few hours later the water is becoming more and more cloudy white.
<<Indeed...likely an overdose/mixing of too much alkaline material.>>
The ALK tests high and cal says 440. I assume this has something to do with
precipitation
<<yes>>
but I was hoping I could do something to fix it now. I just got a Long Nose
Butterfly and I'm concerned for him.
<<Perform a large partial water change and only dose (according to the
manufacturers recommendations) the Reef Calcium going forward. Continue to do
frequent partial water changes to maintain your alkalinity, magnesium, et al.>>
Thank you for all your help!
<<Regards, EricR>>
Calcium - 2/28/2006
Hi, <Hi Dan> this is my first time submitting a question and hopefully you
can help. <We'll try.> I've read a lot about raising calcium off your website
but I still feel like I am running in circles. I have been experiencing trouble
in maintaining a healthy calcium level. I will give you some background and
where I currently stand. I have a 7 month old 120g reef tank with somewhere
around 100 lbs or so of rock (approximately 40 lbs live and 60 lbs base). My
corals include:
Xenia
Toadstool
Frogspawn
Zoanthids
Mushrooms
Orange Fungia
Candy Cane
I think the Frogspawn, Fungia and Candy Cane are the only ones requiring
calcium.
Anyway, my calcium was really low (200 ppm) even though I was using B-ionic two
part calcium. I started experiencing calcium precipitation which I think was
due to using Kent's super buffer for two weeks prior to the B-ionic in order to
get the ph up. I was measuring the alkalinity and my reading was around 5 meg/l
but at the time I thought it was a dKH reading (DOH!). I kept adding the super
buffer because I was trying to get the alkalinity between 8 - 10 dKH. I quit
using the super buffer once I realized the reading was in meg/l and started with
the b-ionic and that's when the precipitation started. I cleaned up the mess
and started using Kent turbo calcium and nothing else except weekly water
changes. I use Instant Ocean salt mix. The highest the calcium reached was 380
ppm. I was adding 3/4" teaspoon of turbo twice a day which seems like a lot. I
tested the instant ocean before adding it and it was reading 360 ppm so my 380
reading wasn't much higher than the salt mix. I stopped with the weekly water
changes about two weeks ago to see what would happen and the calcium has slowly
been falling and that's with the continued use of the turbo. My ph is stable
(8.3) and my alkalinity is 3 meg/l. I have since been adding the turbo (still ¾
teaspoon twice a day) and super buffer once a day (trying to get the alkalinity
up again). My magnesium is 1200.
So, do you have any ideas on what could be causing my calcium levels to fall?
<First, I would compare dKH readings with another test kit. I'm thinking your
dKH is higher than what you indicate as high dKH levels will cause calcium to
precipitate.> Do you have any recommendations on getting the calcium to a
healthy level? <Well I'm not a race car driver so I don't like the Turbos,
superchargers, etc. I'm also not impressed with the two part additives, you
never end up using equal amounts of each. I've been in this hobby 35+ years and
the best calcium/alkalinity combo I've use is Sea Chem's Reef Advantage Calcium
and Reef Builder (both in powder form). Anyway, another area to check is the
dKH of your make up water. If this is high it will add to the precipitation of
the calcium. Do concentrate on getting the dKH balanced and then work with the
calcium. In a healthy system you shouldn't have to add buffer on a regular
basis.> Some people have suggested the salt mix as being a problem but I see too
many people have success with instant ocean. <Not the problem.> Also, I have
only been using the turbo and super buffer together (adding about an hour apart)
for a few days so it may be too early to know if it will make a
difference. <You should never add buffer and calcium together within a 24 hour
period (powder form that is). The buffer can cause calcium precipitation before
it stabilizes. Do buffer, then 24 hours later do calcium, or vice versa.>
Let me know if you need more information.
Thanks, <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Dan
Re: Calcium problem - 3/1/2006
Thank you for your quick response. <You're welcome.> I'm going with your
suggestion and purchased the reef advantage and reef builder (both powder
form). I performed a 15 gallon water change last night and will check the
calcium and alkalinity today. What are your suggestions in using the products?
<Same as on container> Can I add a serving of each, once or twice a day until my
levels are ok? <As below, would not dose both products together, do one, then
24 hours later the other if necessary.>
Thank you, <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Dan
Re: Calcium problem 3/3/06
Thanks again. <You're welcome, Dan.> Last night, I tested the alkalinity and
calcium to see if I could notice a difference with the Seachem products. The
alkalinity has moved from 3 to 4 meg/L but the calcium has dropped from 280 to
250ppm. The magnesium level is 1190 and PH is 8.26. I will continue adding the
supplements on a regular schedule. My question regards the rock. I've noticed
lately that I am starting to get many purple coralline algae spots over most of
the rocks. <Good.> Is it possible for the rocks to be depleting my calcium
faster than I am supplementing? <Sure, you need to supplement for the needs of
the tank, some will require less, some more. Dosage levels on the bottle are
just a starting point.> Thank you. <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Dan Carstarphen, ASA, MAAA
Calcium at 780 - 02/27/06
Yes, LFS verified it today. Inherited a 29 gal Eclipse 3 that was FO that
had sat in a garage for 2 weeks last summer. Started reading and
have not stopped. Ordered from GARF.org, janitor special, 10 lbs Garf Grunge, 2
lbs Garf Grunge Plus.
<... drop this stuff>
Received on 7/21/05 and that is when this journey began. Used Seachem trio,
complete @ 2 caps/wk for 2 mo.s,
carbonate and reef plus 1 cap/wk. Stopped using the Ca when the snails started
to proliferate and I started get Ca snowstorm from a cap of
carbonate. Have still added 1 cap of Reef Plus/wk since last July. Found your
website and have spent endless enjoyable hours perusing it
and learning. Reef tank is now 7 months old, the red-legged hermit crabs slowly
met their demise after several months, probably from lack
of food. As I will be moving this Fall, I have kept the tank pretty primitive,
10# base rock, 5# live rock, one of which has a dozen green
pimple mushrooms. Now have a dozen red Gracilaria and 7 green cup macroalgae
growing, 1 Nassarius, a dozen cerith and red turban and
Nerite snails (after handpicking a couple hundred small baby snails out of the
tank). It appears I have coralline algae starting and I am very
excited and decided to start testing the water parameters, ugh! As of
today: SG 1.0225, PH 8.0, Alk, 180 ppm, nitrate, nitrite 0, Ca 780,
whew! LFS told me not to worry about the Ca level, but I am concerned,
<Me too... dilute over time... through water changes...>
as there is not much in the tank to use it up. I did buy two yellow watchman
gobies a week ago and they are simply terrific little fish and
seem to be right at home. Bought RMF's Conscientious Marine Aquarist and the
new Reef Invertebrate books and am devouring them now. I feel I
am headed for trouble with the Ca being so high and not much of a bioload to use
it up. Should I be concerned with trying to lower the Ca?
<Not overly... just dilute...>
At this point I am very happy with the tank and if the coralline algae grows,
that is all I ask. BTW I have not experienced any bad
algae blooms since I started. Any help you can give would be
appreciated....Dave in NYS
<You'll do fine by stopping the GARF garbage, making partial water changes over
time. Bob Fenner>
Calcium, Alkalinity, and pH question 2/17/06
Hello WWM crew,
I want to thank you for tanking time
<Heee>
to help me out. After searching extensively to find an answer, I opted to beg
for your advice!
My problem is this: My calcium level is in the 550 range, which is getting
much higher than what i would like.
<...!>
I am guessing that it is effecting my Alkalinity since it is reading at about
150 ppm (measured from a dip test
strip...I know, not the best in measure but I'm getting an
alkalinity kit.). My pH is currently at the "fair" mark for a reef tank at
about 8.0.
I don't know how my calcium got that high, I used Oceanic salt,
<Ding ding ding! Winnah!>
which i was told was usually a little higher in calcium.
<And inconsistent at that>
I did supplement using Seachem Reef Complete only twice in 1 1/2 months. I
also put 45 lbs of base rock in from Reefer Rocks.
<... also a likely contributor>
It was supposed to maintain alkalinity and pH, could it also be giving off
calcium?
<Oh yes>
I don't know where the calcium came from, but my question is this: What should
I do to get my calcium count down and my
alkalinity up before my problems get far worse?
<... posted on WWM... First off, switch salt mix brands...>
Also, I have tried Seachem Marine buffer 8.3 to get it back up, and that was to
no avail.
<Don't "worry" re pH, or try to adjust at this point>
Was it just precipitating out with the calcium?
<Mmm, yes>
What can I do to keep my tank from crashing?
<Read...>
Does calcium and carbonate precipitate hurt fish or corals, or does it just
cause a snowstorm?
<Can, yes to both>
Would it be safe to use Seachem Reef Carbonate to restore what is lost?
<... One approach... but dilution would be my first wave/approach>
I really appreciate your time, any help is greatly appreciated!
Thanks again!
<Read so you understand what you're doing, your choices here... on WWM re pH,
alkalinity, calcium... Bob Fenner>
Re: Calcium, Alkalinity, and pH question 2/18/06
Hello again WWM, <Hello DHD>
Ok, so after reading all the questions asked to you in the FAQ's
pretty extensively, I changed 20 gallons out last night, which by water volume
is about
20% or so. Would have loved to have done more, but my equipment didn't permit
it. My Ca came down to about 500 ppm as my eyes could see. After testing
alkalinity, it seriously helped bringing it up to approximately 10 dKH. Is my
alkalinity likely to stay up for long given the Ca level, or is this still
unbalanced? <Wouldn't expect it to go down much now.> If it is still unbalanced,
I'm guessing calcium is going to win right? <Yep>
I plan on doing several more water changes to dilute it out more. How does a
couple more 20 gallon changes sound over the next week? <Sounds good to me.>
I appreciate your
help, and I read the FAQ's well even before I E-mailed you, <Bless your heart.>
I was just simply trying to get the best possible course of action from
the professionals if
you know what I mean. <Understand.> Being in the hobby only a year, I was
hesitant to do
anything without first seeking direct advice. <Do continue reading my friend,
you will learn much about this hobby.> Any more input would be great!
Thanks again WWM! <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Calcium levels 1/30/06
Dear WWM crew, <Cindy>
Sorry to bother you again. I followed your advice to get testing kit for
alkalinity, calcium, and phosphate. Here are my water parameters following a 5
gallon water change:
specific gravity?/salinity 125 <1.025???>
pH 8.3
ammonia .25
nitrite 0
nitrate .20
phosphate 2.0
KH 179 <17.9dkh or what??>
calcium 480-520 tested 4 times
I am very worried about the high level of calcium. <No need to be.> I use
Instant Ocean Salt
Mix. The only additives I have used in this tank is CoralVite-very sparingly-2x
a month. I have been investigating what could be causing this high level.
The sound you hear is me kicking myself...When doing water changes I have not
been aerating or aging the new water before adding it to the tank. I NOW know
better. I suspect this is causing my high calcium levels. <No> My fish and
mushroom/zoanthids all look great and no one is showing any signs of stress (but
what
do I know?? I can't even be trusted to make up their water correctly).
Should I do small water changes to bring the calcium under 500? <I'd just do
your normal 10% weekly water changes, keep your dKH between 8 to 12 and calcium
levels should lower gradually.>
I will follow the directions in CMA (just arrived yesterday) regarding water
preparation from now on. I purchased a powerhead, heater, Rubbermaid
container and saltwater storage jug today. <Sounds good.>
Thank you for all your help. <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Cindy
Calcium levels 2/2/06
Dear WWM crew, <Cindy>
Sorry to bother you again. I followed your advice to get testing kit for
alkalinity, calcium, and phosphate. Here are my water parameters following a 5
gallon water change: specific gravity?/salinity 125 <1.025???> sorry-1.025 is
correct
pH 8.3
ammonia .25
nitrite 0
nitrate .20
phosphate 2.0
KH 179 <17.9dkh or what??> 179 ppm
calcium 480-520 tested 4 times I am very worried about the high level of
calcium. <No need to be.> I use Instant Ocean Salt
Mix. The only additives I have used in this tank is CoralVite-very sparingly-2x
a month. I have been investigating what could be causing this high level. The
sound you hear is me kicking myself...When doing water changes I have not
been aerating or aging the new water before adding it to the tank. I NOW know
better. I suspect this is causing my high calcium levels. <No> My fish and
mushroom/zoanthids all look great and no one is showing any signs of stress (but
what do I know?? I can't even be trusted to make up their water correctly).
Should I do small water changes to bring the calcium under 500? <I'd just do
your normal 10% weekly water changes, keep your dKH between 8 to 12 and
calcium levels should lower gradually.>
I will follow the directions in CMA (just arrived yesterday) regarding water
preparation from now on. I purchased a powerhead, heater, Rubbermaid
container and saltwater storage jug today. <Sounds good.>
Thank you for all your help. <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
I was so confused about KH testing results. I have since read so much about
this I have Pop Eye Disease. Now I am only slightly confused. My testing
results were actually 179 ppm or 10 dKH. I apologize for the confusion, the LFS
told me 179 and I wasn't sure what they were talking about and they were not
able to clarify (imagine that).
Thank you for your time and patience. <You're welcome.> I have learned so much
from this site.
I missed getting to see Bob and Anthony in action in Dallas last weekend at the
DFWMAS meeting. From all reports it was excellent and everyone felt they
learned so much. <Good to hear. There may be another time Cindy. James (Salty
Dog)>
Cindy
Calcium products
Hello, <Hello James, nice name.>
I was just going to order a Seachem calcium product. I am confused as there
is reef advantage calcium, reef calcium and reef
complete. They all seem to do the same thing. Which one should I use? I
already have an AquaMedic Kalkwasser stirrer but need to top
up the calcium level now and again and I also need to add calcium to my new
water. <Reef Advantage Calcium is a ionic blend of calcium that also contains
the needed supplements of magnesium and strontium. Reef Calcium is a
polygluconate based product used to maintain calcium levels. It enhances growth
of corals, coralline algae, etc. The Reef Calcium will have little effect on
actually raising the calcium level. Reef Complete is basically the same as Reef
Advantage but in a liquid form. Hope this helps. James (Salty Dog)>
Kind Regards,
James.
Reef Calcium conundrum, Captive-prop'ed BTA
12/9/05
I have a question for you...imagine that, I have a 55gal w/ 4" DSB that I've started with a few zoo's frags, some
Kenya tree, and a Ricordea. I just got a wild hair and decided to test my alkalinity and calcium levels. My calcium came out to a whopping 560ppm and the alkalinity to about 180ppm. I've been using B-ionic 2 part calcium/alk. supplement and Kent's
SuperBuffer dKH weekly as my source water is extremely soft (about 10ppm).
I am seriously considering putting in an anemone (BTA to go with ocellaris clown---I love anemone/clownfish systems!), but don't want to do so
until I'm sure my water quality is just right...not to mention that I'm at a loss as to where to find a captive produced clone in my area (N. CO) I have about 60 lbs. LR and about 15 lbs. coral skeletons. I'm not sure if these levels are OK and if I should stop/scale down my dosing? Any help? Oh, also, what is your
opinion on using bleach to clean out QT tanks/equipment?...I've always used vinegar, but was
recommended to use bleach...Thanks, Branon.
<If your levels and water quality are rock-solid and stable, you're probably fine, assuming other parameters are met (lighting in particular). Your LFS should be able to procure a captive-cloned BTA for you, or you may be able to find one via internet mail-order.
Good on you for demanding captive prop'ed livestock. Bleach is definitely better than vinegar for sterilizing equipment. You can dilute it 1:2 or 1:3
bleach: water and spray it with a spray bottle (KEEP IT OUT OF YOUR EYES, OFF SKIN, FAVORITE BLUE JEANS, ETC) on large stuff like tanks. Just be sure to rinse everything very thoroughly. Lastly, try to buy the most basic bleach, without perfume, etc. Happy Holidays, Lorenzo>
<<It helps to keep a bit of dry sodium thiosulfate on hand, can be
found online through chemical supply houses at incredibly cheap prices!
Marina>>
Re: Reef Calcium conundrum... 12/13/05
Thanks for the advise re: the bleach, I'll definately be making the
switch. Thank you also for the encouragement to buy captive propagated
specimens...sometimes it is so tempting to buy the WC stuff at the LFS, but
I just keep telling myself I'll be happier in the long run. <And so will the
rest of the hobby, and the livestock too!> However, I'm still not sure about
the dosing ??? (I know, I asked way to many questions in that last
e-mail...sorry.) Should I continue at current levels, stop, reduce, or what?
<If you do make any changes, do so very gradually. Some folks say, when it
comes to aquariums, anything that happens fast - is bound to be bad.> Also,
will these softies, and maybe a GSP and/or xenia be alright with a BTA? LTA?
<It is ALWAYS a risk, to mix corals with anemones, no matter the size of the
aquarium. But stick to generally hardy species, keep fresh carbon in a
powerfilter, and keep the whole environment stable, and it's certainly
possible.> Thank you. Branon. <You're always welcome, Zo>
Calcium additions 12/8/05
Mr. Fenner, First, I'd like to say I'm a big fan, I have enjoyed reading both your Conscientious Aquarist book and articles for some time now. I currently have a 24 gallon nano cube aquarium, up until this time I have only a limited experience with dosing and do not feel very comfortable with it. However, I have begun keeping more stony corals and realize their need for sufficient calcium.
<And Alkalinity! Calcium and alkalinity should always be added in a balanced
fashion. Kalkwasser is one of the best ways. In many cases, simply using
Kalkwasser to replace evaporation will meet all of the needs for calcium and alkalinity. Other options include two part additives like B-Ionic or C-Balance. Two part additives are very convenient and easy to use, but are relatively expensive. Calcium reactors are also an option, but are not practical for such small tanks.>
I would feel most comfortable with a crushed coral/aragonite substrate to provide both a buffer and calcium source for my tank, but I currently have an established tank with a thin LS substrate.
<Crushed coral is a poor choice for many reason. Fine grained aragonite is better, but no calcific substrate will meet all of the needs for calcium and alkalinity. They simply cannot dissolve fast enough, even deep in the bed.>
I have read as much as possible but am still confused by the seemingly endless options before me. What I am considering is establishing a considerable aragonite DSB in my refugium or possibly mixing the substrate directly into my LS. Am I getting this all confused or will either of those solutions work? Sincerely, Derek Rooney Silver Spring, MD
<It is quite easy to get confused!
While there are many benefits to DSB's (I recommend them, especially in refugia), including some modest support of Ca and Alk, they usually cannot meet all of the needs of the corals. Kalkwasser and two part additives are your best bets. Lots of information about their use is available at WWM and elsewhere on the web and better brands include excellent instructions for their use. Best Regards.
AdamC.>
Making Calcium 8/3/05
Hi Crew,
You guys are doing a great job to keep this hobby
going. Keep up the good work.
This is my first mail to WWM and I am thinking how to
put this "silly" idea of mine.
Let me try. I’m from a country (Maldives) where buying
of Kalk and other marine aquarium related items are a
big problem due to lack of stock at the market.
<I have visited your country... mainly the Ari Atoll>
So I
read WWM a lot and came up with this idea of making my
own Kalk. Since you (WWM) guys have given lots of
information on how to make calc reactors, I tried to
make one of my own but failed to complete one when I
couldn't get a CO2 cylinder. Then came up with this
new idea. We get sand and dead coral for free from the
beach, but to dissolve them to water will take ages.
So I thought I would try something soft like the shell
people use to feed the parrots. Its squid shell I
think which have lots of calcium.
<Yes>
Question 1: Do you think that it is possible to make
calcium from this shell?
<Possibly>
Question 2: If so, will that calcium is good enough
to give calcium for my 70g tank with lots soft and
some LPS?
<Should be>
Question 3: I know I will have to do the math on how
much to give, but can you give me a rough suggestion
on how much to add.
<Mmm, I would try whatever means you have in mind to "melt" the carbonate, see
the resulting concentration (and pH) of the solution, drip in and see what
happens (by testing) to the water quality...>
Oh, I forgot to tell you how I’m going to make my
calc. I’m thinking of putting little pieces in water
and keep it for like a week and then pour that water
to tank. I know its hard, but you see I have done it
and it worked. At the end of the week I found there
were couple of pieces that didn’t dissolve, so I
shook the bottle for a while and it became soluble
which gave me lots of calc. But I don’t know whether
its the "real" calc, as far as I know its white and
raised my Ph high.
<Should be fine doing this>
I hope you didn’t lose your patience in reading this
mail of mine, cos its bit long, if so I’m very sorry
about it.
Thanks
Ahmed
<I think you have hit upon a very good idea, practice. Bob Fenner>
Water Quality on Water Changes 8/2/05
Hello,
I have what I hope will be a quick question. In regards to the water used
to perform a water change to my reef aquarium, I was wondering if I should
be adding calcium to that water while it is being stored.
<Mmm, not likely, but...>
I currently am
storing it in a 30 gallon tank with a power head. I add the RO/DI water,
salt and PH buffer and was not sure if I should also be adding calcium to
that as well. Thanks for your help.
<Depends... on how much calcium you want/need... most all salt mixes have
"extra" biomineral content... if you find (by testing) that your system is
deficient (usually 350 ppm calcium is a good minimum), you can bolster new
water... in a few ways... These are discussed in places on WWM... can be
searched... Bob Fenner>