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FAQs about Marine Macro-Algae Use/Rationale
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Algae
Aquascaping? I have seen salt water tanks with macro algae
purposefully placed in for a more natural look. It looks nice, I'm just
wondering if it is a good idea. << I think it is a wonderful
idea. Better to have than coral (but don't tell Calfo I told you that).
>> I have a 125 gal. that is going to be a reef tank. Would it be ok to
use some for aquascaping in a tank with corals? << Oh it is highly
recommended that you do. It provides many benefits. >> If so, what
kinds of macro algae could I use and how far away from the corals should
I keep them.<< My algae and corals grow right on top of each other. I
would use any of the Dictyota species, and most Caulerpa. Just not C.
racemosa because it is a little too prolific of a grower. >> A blue
tang is on the list of possible tank occupants. I have a feeling it
would eat any of the macro algae's placed in to the tank even if
supplied with adequate amounts of Nori to graze on.<< Even more reason
to have the algae, it provides a great secondary food source. >> Any
input is appreciated. Thanks, Shauna. << Hope it all works out well.
>> << Adam Blundell >> Putting Macroalgae In The Mix!
Hi Guys, <Hey! Scott F. your guy tonight!> What macro algae do you
recommend for a refugium. Caulerpa doesn't seem to be the best choice.
<Ahh...My fave is Chaetomorpha linum. It's a wonderful macro algae that
is both attractive and prolific. It is relatively undemanding, too- and
does not have the tendency to release sexual products into the water
like Caulerpa. It looks for all the world like one of those pot-cleaning
scrub pads...Really neat stuff> And does micro algae create any type
of plankton or food for corals? I was under the impression it does but
I was told at my LFS that this is not so. <Well, you're both
right...Although the macro algae does not "create" plankton, it does
provide foraging and living area for a variety of organisms, who
reproduce within the "canopy" that the macro algae provides. As such, it
is a great "habitation space" for planktonic organisms and epiphytic
materials. There are many benefits to macro algae use in refugia- this
is just another one!> Thanks for your time I love your site. Chris
Dial <Glad
to hear that, Chris! We really enjoy bringing it to our fellow hobbyists
each and every day! Grab that macro algae and get going'! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F> Macroalgae + Corals? 8/1/04
Hi, First I want to thank you all for organizing such a great site to
provide and promote good aquarium husbandry system. <thanks kindly...
please do tell others about us> I have a question regarding of reef
aquarium set-up: It is a good idea to have a tank setup up
with macroalgae grown (harvested in a regular basis and prevented them
from going sexual) and some corals? <macroalgae can serve a very
useful purpose as a vehicle for nutrient export as well as substrate for
cultivating natural plankton> What would your opinion be if I set up
a 40g aquarium with 6" sand bed + several sp. of macro algae + life
rocks + some soft corals without a sump. <macroalgae are very
competitive... please stick with one species ideally. Mixing them is a
bad idea in the long run IMO> For circulation, I would use a DIY
SCWD closed loop system (estimated to run at about 700gph) in
additional to a protein skimmer. <excellent> Will this kind of
system (macroalgae + softies in a same tank) likely to fail? <not
really... the more we/you mix... the more you simply have to be diligent
about water quality: weekly water changes, daily changes of small
amounts of carbon, aggressive protein skimming, and you'll be fine for
years> Honestly, I do not know why actually most aquarist grow
macroalgae in the sump but not in the tank itself. <macros are
noxious and compete with corals for space & light and with chemicals>
Thank you. Leo <kindly, Anthony>
Caulerpa\phosphate\nitrates Hi, <Hello there> I was
reading some articles on reducing phosphate and came across Phosphate
solutions 7/31/03 stating "I'll put some Caulerpa too for helping to
reduce phosphates. <Do consider a safer and more stable macroalgae
like Chaetomorpha, Ochtodes or Gracilaria for this purpose> What are
the problems with Caulerpa? <There are some folks here that believe
that the likelihood of species of this genus going reproductive and
thereby toxic (and unattractive mess) too much trouble... as well as
Caulerpas being too aggressive growers... taking too much out of the
water that reefers might want for other life's use... and that their
growth discolors the water too much... and that it grows so quickly as
to be a pain to keep harvested> My understanding is that Caulerpa,
Chaetomorpha, Ochtodes or Gracilaria will help reduce phosphate and
nitrate. <Yes> Is that correct? Is there anything else that they
help reduce? <Most any, all nutrients, biominerals... if boosted
(with light mainly)> I was unable to find a picture of Chaetomorpha,
Ochtodes and Gracilaria due to my browser at work, is it possible to
e-mail me a picture of what Chaetomorpha, Ochtodes and Gracilaria looks
like? <Mmm, some of these may be presented on WetWebMedia, but
you're likely to get them fastest by doing a Google search and looking
through their "pictures" feature. Bob Fenner> Thanks Mohamed.
Refugium algae harvesting 2/22/05 Dear Anthony, After taking
your advice I recently set up a 20 gallon refugium for my 90 gallon tank
(I didn't have much space). I have a 4" sand bed with two types of macro
(Chaeto & Gracilaria). When I bought the Chaeto about two weeks ago it
was the size of a soft ball. Now it has tripled in size.
<outstanding... truly one of the best genera for nutrient
export/refugium use> It was tumbling around but now it is starting
too get to big to move around freely. My question is how much should I
keep in the refugium? Should I cut it back so it can tumble around
again? <yes... exactly... do figure out your cycle of harvest (2, 3
or more weeks to halve it and keep it tumbling). And do be strict and
habitual about harvesting it for long term success> Also It seems the
fine sand that I used really compacted well and I was wondering if I
should add more now or wait until it is below 4"? <not compacted...
dissolved my friend. Oolite has a half life of about 18-24 months in
aquaria. Do add more to maintain your desired bed depth> P.S. Is any
one else amazed that you can buy a book and then ask the author
questions. Well I am! Thanks again for all your help! <thanks kindly,
but the honor is ours :) Anthony> Growing Algae In A Marine
Tank...or...Build It And They Will Come! - 06/14/05 Good
Afternoon from San Diego! <<Good evening from South Carolina!>>
I've got a new marine tank. <<Congrats!>> It's been up and
running for about 4 months, with the nitrification cycle completed about
a month ago. I use a canister filter, bio-wheel and 30 pounds of live
rock for filtration, etc. I'm planning on purchasing another 30 pounds
Fiji rock soon, in 5-10 pound increments. <<All good...make sure you
service that canister filter weekly/bi weekly at most.>> Three
damsels currently reside in the tank as well. The tank is only a 60
gallon - but seems to have good flow and current. <<Seems?>> The
water quality is excellent - as far as readings from test kits,
temperature and gravity goes. I have taken advice of my veteran peers
(on WWM) and do one small thing at a time - then wait, check readings,
wait once more - then make the next move, etc. It's a slow process -
but a very enjoyable and satisfactory one at that! <<You are the
exception my friend...I hope you are able to maintain your restraint!>>
(FYI - I'm purchasing a protein skimmer soon) <<I would have done
this before now.>> My question is about algae and live rock. Would
I need to encourage algal growth for the tank? Would the live rock
normally produce this? <<The TANK will normally produce this. Have
no fear, algae in one form or another will make itself known sooner or
later. For other than calcareous algae, most aquarists strive to
prevent/restrict algae growth.>> I've had the rock in the tank for
only a week. In your forum, you mentioned many life forms could appear
from the rock. How long would that normally take to see growth from any
form? <<This will depend on the quality of the rock...presence of
grazers/predators...>> Even though I'm pleased with the water
conditions, clarity is perfect, etc - I fear I may not be using adequate
lighting, or the physical location of the aquarium may be
poor. Lighting is a 40W single fluorescent tube - a plant/aquatic type
with 1600 lumens and 2700 color spectrum. <<Your fears are well
founded here, you need better lighting for the rock's benefit. My
recommendation for this tank would be a minimum of two 65w 6500K PC
lights.>> The tank itself is in a very bright room against the wall,
sans direct sunlight. I do not have/use a timer or regulated lighting
schedule for the tank. <<Get a timer.>> Using this setup - not a
speck of algae of any kind in the four months of operation.
<<Not surprised...your lighting is dismal.>> Maybe this is
fine? Well, possibly fine for the current venue with the
damsels. However, I feel if I were to move up to some other types of
fish, I might need to get that algae growth going. Is this true?
<<This suspiciously sounds like you are thinking of Tangs.>> My hope
is to eventually graduate myself into a reefer - well, that's a long
ways down the road. I'm enjoying being a novice at the moment!
<<Ah...do strive to learn all you can BEFORE making the plunge.>>
Anyway, what are your thoughts on my situation? Is a tank without algal
growth acceptable? <<Actually no...algae is a very
natural/beneficial part of a marine system...the trick is to keep it
from reaching nuisance/plague proportions. Will the live rock, after
a time, produce desired algae? <<Very likely, yes.>> I will end
up with 60-75 pounds of LR over the next few weeks. The desired
product for the near future is FOWLR, consisting of a blue tang, fire
angel, maroon clown, yellow tang OR butterfly, a couple Catalina gobies
and a cleaner shrimp. Too much bio-load for my setup perhaps?
<<Yes...your tank is too small for the tangs.>> Is anything in this
list a potential problem for others? Or possibly too difficult for a
beginner such as myself? <<Yes again...the Catalina gobies require
much COOLER water temperatures (below 72 degrees) than the other
fish...these fish are best kept in a temperate/species specific
environment.>> Well, that's the plan for the short to medium
term. Long term, I'd like to move into a reef, but I know that will
require substantial equipment upgrades, replacements, knowledge and so
forth. <<You seem to have a good understanding of what's ahead...>>
Am I fine with those livestock choices - or do their presence require
more than I possess currently, in a non-algal environment? Can they
live happily without it? <<Dietary requirements for algae can be
easily supplemented, but do rethink your stocking plan re this tank.>>
Thank you and all the folks at WWM for your time! The information you
put out is a welcome - and comforting thing to a nervous and eager
beginner such as me! <<Thank you...one more reason why we do what we
do <G>.>> As always - I'll keep reading your forum.. <<Good
advice for all.>> - Jim <<Regards, Eric R.>> Anchored
Algae? 12/04/05 Are there any algae or marine plants that
can be anchored in the main tank for a little added pod production.
<Yes a great deal of choices. See
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/maralgae.htm for ideas. I have a FOWLR
tank full of flowing reds and greens. Their ability to survive will
depend very much on the tank inhabitants (no tangs!) and their taste for
macroalgae. As for 'pod production in a refugium... do be aware that the
production is likely due to the lack of fish/predators in the 'fuge, not
due to the macroalgae. Best regards, John> Too much
macroalgae? Hey, I have a 65 reef tank and the algae which is the
(plants) in my system is growing rapidly I was wondering if I should get
rid of the plants, what is the positive side and the negative effect of
this choice? And I was wondering do I really need these plants or
should I get rid of it?? please help <Well, first of all, I'm
assuming you mean a macroalgae of some sort - Caulerpa, I'd
assume. Caulerpa can grow with surprising speed. There are definitely
some serious benefits to having macroalgae in your tank - primarily
nutrient export (the macroalgae sucks up nutrients that would otherwise
contribute to massive growth of undesirable Algaes, like Bryopsis, hair
algae, Cyanobacteria....). However, there are other macros that are
more easily managed than Caulerpa, like Halimeda and
Chaetomorpha. Start reading here, under "Marine Micro/Macro-Algae &
True Plants" for gobs of info: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/index.htm -Sabrina>
Macroalgae and Mangroves - 8/18/03 I've read a few article lately
about using mangroves to reduce phosphates and nitrates. Is this method
preferred over using macroalgae? <not at all IMO. Many macros can far
out perform the slow-growing mangroves as a nutrient export vehicle>
I'm am planning of setting up a 90 gallon tank with several messy eaters
in it. I have a Berlin skimmer with a Mag drive 500 to power it.
<seriously consider a better skimmer my friend. Something more
aggressive and reliable. EuroReef or Aqua C rank high> Even though
wet/dries can be nitrate factories, I would like to utilize the bio
filtration for these fish. <no worries... necessary and helpful for
large bio-loads> The tank will include about 45-60 lbs of live rock
with about 20 lbs of base rock. Could I place any natural nitrate
reducers in my sump. Thank you <an inline DSB would help
significantly with NNR. Anthony> Heavy metals and macroalgae
11/15/03 Bob (or whoever answers this) <Anthony Calfo in your
service> First, I really, really like your web site. Great resource
and I refer to it all the time. <thanks kindly... do tell a friend>
to make the question short. Do macro algae and other marine plants
filter out (absorbed, export or whatever) heavy metals? <yes...
heavily in some cases. Not uncommon though among plants and algae. You
may recall industry using various plants (Hyacinth) for doing the same.
And what of the role of bog plants in wetlands and aquatic ecosystems?
Huge role> I especially like your pages on marine plants and thought
they mentioned that marine plants also do some filtering out of heavy
metals. If I missed that page could you provide me a link? <I am not
aware of that specific page... do simply use the google search tool from
our home page wetwebmedia.com to toggle and seek your desired subjects
please> The reason I am asking is that I am constantly chatting with
other saltwater keepers who just don't seem to get the importance of
naturally balancing out the ecosystem using plants. Sure you need to
look at the entire system but to me the single most important thing is
to establish a thriving plant growth and then do the rest. Bob
Beasley <indeed... and the most underrated of all perhaps, turf
algae> PS can you tell I am an old freshwater natural tank guy? LOL.
My current 10g fresh has 30 guppies 5 platies, sand, plants and
light. no circulation of any kind not even an air stone. All I do is
replace evaporative water and feed the fish. Been up two years no and
all fish grew up from the original 2 guppies and 2 platies. I kept one
tank like that for six continuous years. And a small salt for 6 years
also. But I didn't know about macros and plants for salt. <do peek
at our coverage of marine plants in algae in our new book too if you get
a chance ("Reef Invertebrates")... its the most comprehensive in the
industry to date. kind regards, Anthony>
Macroalgae Mania! Hi Scott <Hi there!> I am thinking of
adding some Caulerpa into my sump. <A good move to use a macroalgae,
but I am partial to Chaetomorpha, myself...> I currently have the
sump filled up with Siporax. Would this be a good idea? <Well,
Siporax is a sintered glass media that assists in colonizing bacteria
for biofiltration. Not a bad idea, but I think that a well-established
reef system with live rock can do the same thing> Don't like the look
of Caulerpa in the main display but hearing about how beneficial it is
for filtration, I came up with the idea of sticking some in my sump.
<That's an ideal application...> I only have my lights on at night
for about 5 hours would this be enough light for the Caulerpa, during
the day I get quite a bit of natural light? <Try it and see... You
may need a longer "lights on" period for the macroalgae in the sump.>
I also mentioned to you that I set my lights to go on for a few hours in
the mornings, and man did this create allot of terrible brown algae so I
have changed the lights cycle to only go on at night again. <Well,
remember, algae blooms are as much a function as nutrients as anything
else. Light is just a "catalyst" here-not the cause. Consider aggressive
nutrient export techniques to help alleviate the problems. Don't forget
that it is common in new tanks with immature nutrient export
mechanisms...> I also have noticed that the Siporax in my sump still
looks very clean, nothing building up on it yet? is this because of the
light load? <Well, it is unlikely that the biofilm of bacteria are
going to be visible, at least initially...> The Siporax has been in
there for a few months already and it looks as if I put it in there
yesterday. A friend of mine has been reading up on this filtration
called miracle mud? Can you tell me more and if its as good as say they
say it is? <I'd check out Leng Sy's Ecosystem Aquaria site for more
information. It's a valid technique, and there is a ton more information
out there than I can provide in this response! Back to the reading for
you! LOL> Thanks Ziad <Always a pleasure! Regards, Scott F>
Algae- The Good, The Bad, and The Best! Hi Crew, <Hi there!
Scott F. with you today!> I have been dealing with a diatom problem
since setting-up my 180g aquarium 10 months ago. At least, from reading
the FAQs at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brownalgcontfaqs.htm I think the brown
dusting on my glass sounds like diatoms. It is fairly easily removed
but it returns in only 1-2 days. I use RO water and I don’t *think* I
overfeed as my fishes always hungrily finish all food in under 2
minutes. I also have several brittle star, hermits, sand-sifting goby,
etc to clean-up any “leftovers”. <All good nutrient control and
scavenging techniques, but there are more things that you can do>
From what I have read, using a good skimmer is probably the most
important step in eliminating diatoms. <Well, actually, skimmers are
excellent at removing many of the excess nutrients and substances that
contribute to many different nuisance algae, and I recommend a skimmer
for every tank, but if you're dealing with brown diatoms, the causative
factor is often an accumulation of silicate in your source water. RO is
a good start, but you may need to use a "high silicate removal"
cartridge on the RO unit, or utilize a silicate-removing chemical
filtration media somewhere in your system. Otherwise, every time you
change your water, you are re-supplying the algae with "fuel" for more
growth!> I have a Red Sea Berlin (non-Turbo), powered by a tee off of
my main return (Mag 18). Although the skimmer can produce a significant
amount of foam, this foam is generally white in appearance and the
collection cup is filled with fairly light-colored skimmate. I reduced
the venturi airflow so I get a dark-colored skimmate but, at this rate,
it takes about 2-3 weeks to fill a 16 oz. collection container. Is it
possible that there is very little waste/protein in the water to be
extracted by the skimmer? <Not usually. Even very well-established,
nutrient poor systems will contain enough organics for a well-tuned
skimmer to produce something dark and yucky weekly, or even more
frequently. Keep tweaking that skimmer until it produces, or consider a
more capable skimmer...> Ammonia and nitrite test zero, nitrate tests
10-20 PPM. Temp is 77F and salinity is 1.0235 SG. If this amount of
skimmate production seems entirely too low, do you have suggestions for
increasing skimmer output (without just increasing water extracted)?
<No specifics for your skimmer, as I have not used it before, but it
usually has a lot to do with getting the right air/water mixture into
the unit, a considerable amount of time, and use of colorful metaphors
in the process. In other words, it's a pain! But keep trying!>
Unfortunately my red leg and blue leg hermits seem to think Astrea
shells are in fashion these days so I think I need to supplement my
janitors. <Yep- I've seen that, too!> What is the best diatom
cleaner for glass (or acrylic in my case)? <Well, as a "cleaner",
Trochus and Strombus are good ones, IMO. The best thing to do is keep
the silicates and other nutrients out to begin with...> If I order
more snails, I want to ensure they are able to right themselves before a
crab moves in. I have several Nerites and Ceriths but neither appears
to have a strong appetite for diatoms (some Nerites at least try but
they cannot keep-up with the diatom growth). <I use this species, and
find them more interesting to look at than effective as a nuisance algae
control, myself. They are pretty cool, though!> Apparently my sand
sifters are doing a very good job of keeping diatoms off the sand
because I never notice a problem there. <Good> I am in the process
of adding a 20g refugium to this aquarium so I am hopeful this will help
to reduce the diatom problem as well provide ‘pods for a mandarin and
food for tangs. <A refugium will definitely help process organics to
reduce some nuisance algae> I have read that mangrove is one of the
most efficient consumers of nitrates and I have read that Caulerpa is
the best consumer of nitrates/phosphates. <Well, in my opinion, and
the opinion of many others- mangroves simply grow too slowly to be
considered an efficient nutrient export mechanism. Caulerpa is a great
consumer of nutrients, but has some potential drawbacks to its use in
some cases, such as a propensity to crash and release its gametes and
adsorbed nutrients back into the system. Look for the macroalgae
Chaetomorpha, which is every bit as prolific as Caulerpa, without any of
the "dark side"! Or- you could try propagating Gracilaria parvispora, a
great and useful algae!> Which do you recommend growing in a refugium
(or do you recommend both)? <Chaetomorpha or Gracilaria, baby!> Of
the various types of Caulerpa, what type is the best at NNR and
phosphate reduction – without releasing toxins or being
overly-invasive? <Other hobbyists may disagree- But I feel that
none of them are without this potential problem!> Since I have many
tangs, I was planning to grow IPSF’s “Tang Heaven” in the refugium as
well but I see they offer three types (red, yellow, gold and
green). Which type would be most attractive /beneficial to tangs and
how would “Tang Heaven” compare to Caulerpa or mangrove for NNR or
phosphate reduction? <"Tang Heaven" (Gracilaria) is an awesome
macroalgae, which would be my first choice for organic nutrient control.
However, many people seem to find it a bit tricky to grow. I would
utilize any of the Gracilaria species, but I prefer the red variety. The
limiting factors in its propagation are nutrients, lighting, and water
motion. Try to keep it well lit, and in constant motion.> As always,
thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with all of us in the
hobby! --Greg <My pleasure, Greg! Keep working that skimmer and
limiting incoming nutrients, and things should work out okay! Good luck!
Regards, Scott F> Refugium macro for tang food/nutrient cycling
3/28/04 Anthony, Thanks again for such a prompt response!
<always welcome> I am left with one remaining question... Since you
suggest against adding Caulerpa (and Bob suggested I use a macro algae
other than my red Gracilaria) <I did? Mmm... nah. RMF>, what do you
suggest I use for nitrate/phosphate export and to feed my many tangs?
<Frankly... I don't think you should give up on Gracilaria so easily. It
is the most readily consumed and one of the easiest to keep by far. Any
else I can think of is substandard. Still... as a suggestion, Ulva/sea
lettuce types if you prefer> Since space limits me to only a 20
gallon refugium for my 180g aquarium, I need a very efficient method of
nitrate/phosphate export (although my nitrate level has never been
measurable, PO4 has been excessive). -Greg <Gracilaria and
Chaetomorpha (not edible) are two of the very best. Anthony>
Macro algae for nutrient export Hey team! I am planning on
using a custom-made, hang-on, refugium with macro algae on my 20 gallon
mini-reef at the office. The macro algae, a Remora, and ~16lbs. of live
rock will be providing the filtration for the system. I understand that
Anthony prefers other macros over the Caulerpa. I'm interested in trying
something else, too. I checked
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marvascpltfaqs.htm and it looks like most of
your favorites require a pretty deep sand bed. My refugium has baffles
that are about 2" deep. What species of macroalgae would you suggest
based on these limitations? <many species of Chaetomorpha work well,
Acetabularia and Neomeris are very attractive (more aesthetic than
anything), Codium is interesting and also do consider many of the more
calcareous algae species (Halimeda, Penicillus, Udotea) Best regards,
Anthony> Thanks! -Jeremy
Feeding kelp Greetings to the Wet Web Posse! <<Yo yo! JasonC
here at your service...>> Fantastic site! I read so much info here.
Hate to bug you guys but I have two questions that I’m dying to have
answered. <<No worries.>> First: I have a 50 gal. With a 175MH FOWLR
that is slowly sliding toward a reef tank. A rescued bubble coral from a
friend started it. Following success there, a BTA and some star polyps
have moved it further along. I have Halimeda coming out of my ears and I
am starting to grow other (turtle weed and Derbesia I believe) green
algae. I have a yellow tang in QT now and will be adding it in a few
days. I was wondering (now to the question) if the tang runs out of
algae in the tank, if I would be able to feed it kelp or other macro
algae from the ocean? <<I'd say yes to the "other" macro algae, but I'm
not sure a tang would eat kelp - it's a little tough. Certainly worth a
try.>> I live in Long Beach, CA. and frequently see giant kelp and other
stuff on/near shore and in the bays. What are the risks and
precautions for doing something like this? <<I would be careful of
anything that comes from close to shore as it will likely contain some
concentration of common pollutants, none of which you want in your fish
or your tank. Stuff collected from farther out would be better advised,
but again there's no guarantee that the tang will eat it.>> Second: I
have a Berlin (red sea) skimmer driven by a Rio 2700 in my sump that
does not seem to pull out much gunk. I cleaned it last month (as per
suggestions on your site) and still have not seen much production
despite a dramatic increase in the amount of fine bubbles in the column.
I have seen a little more Cyano in the tank but this could be due to my
recent upgrade to the 175 MH or to iodine additions (started with the
introduction of the star polyps). <<Oh for certain, a 175w MH will grow
any algae like weeds.>> Any ideas how to boost skimmate production?
<<Not really, skimmers can only skim what's there. If your bioload is
light, then there's not really a whole lot to skim.>> Thank you so
very much for your time. Best regards. Karl Palm <<Cheers, J -- >>
Re: please help (Oh green water, keep on moving...), part II I
have a protein skimmer but no live rock yet, I was just getting ready to
put some in when this algae problem started. I use a tap water purifier
that I have done all water tests on and it is fine. <<What did you test?
A TWP is not sufficient to remove all the possible suspects that might
be causing your algae problem.>> I tried a few turbo snails but they
died off. <<These aren't going to help with green water anyway.>> I have
talked to my local fish guy who has been helping me a lot since I am
a beginner aquarist and it has baffled him. I was thinking of getting a
small amount of Caulerpa , what do you think about that but I eventually
want to grow a reef when I get more settled and I don't want that to
ruin that set up. <<Don't add anything else until you've dealt with this
problem - the Caulerpa won't help at this juncture. Honestly, I still
think you need to explore your source water a little more.>> thanks
<<Cheers, J -- >> Plants for nitrate reduction Hello to
whomever may be answering questions tonight! I just have a couple of
simple questions. I'm trying to reduce nitrates. I've been reading the
faq's on your site, and noticed that plants have the ability to lower
nitrate levels. Could you please recommend a few? <Mmm, Halimeda,
Caulerpa species grow best/fastest for the purpose in hobbyist systems>
Would these plants take over my tank or make burrowing difficult for my
sting-ray? <Yes> If so, I'll just put them in the sump, but I was
thinking that the tangs might like to graze upon whatever plants were
introduced to their home. Thanks for your help, you guys rule (: Ro
<These are actually not plants, but algae/thallophytes... you can look
up true/vascular plants, use them... or both in a sump/refugium... a
good step for many purposes. Bob Fenner> Feeding fresh algae
Dear Bob, <Hello> I just wanted to check your position on feeding
marine algae that I might collect on the beach to my Ctenochaetus
strigosus. I live on the South Coast of the UK and it would be
relatively easy to get hold of some macroalgae from our beaches.
Would there be a practical way to preserve the nutrients and get rid of
possible microbial or viral diseases (freezing?) and also eventual
pollution washing?), so as not to harm him unduly? <I think this is
an idea, resource worth trying. As you likely know, such material has
been used as fodder... If it were me, I'd rig up a simple marine tank
with low lighting, something in the way of filtration (perhaps just an
air-powered sponge filter)... and leave the collected algae (of a few,
"softer" species... reds and greens, but not browns) to simply float,
lose whatever "hitchhikers" it has over a week or two's time... try
feeding them... if they're accepted, go on to trying various ways of
preparation and storage: parboiling, rinsing and freezing, microwaving,
blending and freezing in cubes, and freezing altogether for handy use.>
Also, I hear a US public aquarium has very successfully used broccoli to
augment the intake of vitamin A in HLLE disease in blue tangs. What do
you think about feeding some organically grown broccoli to my
Ctenochaetus? <Worth trying. But, many folks simply use liquid
vitamin supplements applied to all sorts of foods to augment iodide, C,
D et al. nutrients> Finally, he/she's about 10cm long. What length
can I expect him to achieve in a 60 Imp Gallon system where his only
housemate is a small Huma Huma trigger (4cm)? <Perhaps another 5 cm.
over time... they're slow growers comparatively> Thanks for your
answers and for your illuminating insights throughout your site.
Massimo, Brighton, UK <Thank you for your participation, sharing. Bob
Fenner> Refugium I have a question concerning a refugium
set-up. I currently have a 55 gallon refugium that is on an opposite
lighting cycle than my display tank. The refugium contains 60 lbs of
live sand and some Caulerpa algae. I have read some articles that make
me think that there are better algae or other methods to do the same
thing (reduce nitrates, etc.). I would like any information or resources
about refugiums. <It depends on your tank. If you have a mostly fish
tank and nutrient export is your priority, Caulerpa or Dictyota would be
my choice. If you have corals, I would avoid both. Then depending on
your corals and the type of plankton you wish to generate Seagrasses,
such as Thalassia, or Chaetomorpha would be my favorites.> Thanks for
your help, Mike Winston <You are welcome. -Steven Pro> Refugium
Follow Up I do have corals mostly LPS and soft leathers. Will the
Thalassia or Chaetomorpha also remove the nutrients <Yes, to an
extent. The Chaetomorpha is your best choice. It is more effective at
nutrient export than the Seagrasses and it will encourage zooplankton
for your LPS.> and if they will where can they be purchased, none of
my LFS have this? <You should be able to find it at many online
e-tailers. I know
http://www.eastcoastclams.com/ has some. It is not listed, but just
email him and I am sure he will send it to you. You should look around
though. You don't want to pay shipping on a handful of algae. It would
be more cost effective to buy something else for the shipping fees.>
Thanks again <You are welcome. -Steven Pro> Converting Caulerpa
refugium to misc. algae More questions baby bubba crew, <no
longer... I am now... a knight... who says... "Ni!"> What other types
of nutrient export can be used besides macro algae? <wow... a tough
question to answer in less than 10,000 words. At least by me. Bob and I
turned over something like 30 pages into the editor just on refugiums
(without pictures!) for the new book (Reef Invertebrates). There are
tens of species that can be used. Animals filters, Vegetable filters,
true plants, micro- and macroalgae. Syconoid and other sponges,
tunicates... so many great creatures> I have heard of people using
xenia as a nutrient export. Are there benefits? downsides? <briefly
stated... Xenia is fast growing, weakly noxious and fairly stable. It is
also quite saleable. That makes it useful as an "animal filter"> How
about cryptic zones. <fascinating with sponges and tunicates (and
other filter feeders, worms, etc). They are slow to grow, variably
noxious and precarious. Only recommended if you are willing to work
harder for it> And lastly what are your thoughts on using quality
natural seawater. <Never!!! Too tedious to prepare safely. No less
expensive after processing (ozone, carbon, test kits and additives to
temper its seasonal variations in bio-minerals, etc). And where are you
going to draw natural seawater from that isn't along a populated coast
with effluent from millions of people living inland polluting the first
few miles of it. No way dude. Not likely safe or worthwhile. Synthetic
seawater mixed with purified H2O is extremely consistent and safe... I'm
willing to pay for that small bit of insurance> As you can tell I am
trying to be nature boy with my reef tank. <why don't you make a
jersey shore biotope display with a sandy beach with beer cans and
needles littering it? Just a suggestion> Once again thanks in
advance. Tom G. <best regards, my friend. Anthony>
Macroalgae Rationale In a previous response to inquiry (ref. 410)
you had said that some macro-algae in my sump or system would be good
for the tank. Can you explain to me what and how to go about achieving
this? By the way thanks for your help on the previous inquiries. The
local LFS keep wanting to sell me more chemicals and i refuse to put
anything in my tanks that I'm not sure of. Less is more and natural
solutions seem to work alot better. >> Live macro-algae in a sump
attached to a display system is a winner on several counts. By having
this algae either on an alternating light/dark cycle with the main tank,
much variability in water quality (chemistry and physics) is reduced...
more stable pH, dissolved oxygen, many other factors are more
homeostatic. The added volume of the sump and lack of predators there
also allows for incidental or intentional culture of foodstuffs for your
specimens in the main system as well. For most systems, the sump is
provided with some live rock, and if any "mulm" accumulates, it is also
best left in place. Live macro-algae is situated in/amongst the live
rock. The green algae of the genus Caulerpa can be illuminated
continuously, i.e. 24 hours a day. Other forms are best put on a
light/dark cycle alternating, including overlapping a few hours if you
desire, with the display system's lighting. Bob Fenner, who agrees
with your philosophy on aquarium management: only use tools, substances
that you understand. More on the Tang, Nori, and Cyano I
got the small (now) Sailfin Tang for my forty gallon breeder. I fear
at the rate he is growing, he/she won't remain small long!! So
anybody who wants a very fine Tang... So my question is about this. I
am afraid that to accommodate my Tang's ravenous appetite I have
succeeded in overfeeding my tank. As, and this is strange, I have
some Cyano in the front of the tank (at least I think it is Cyano) but
none in the back. <... okay> I added a largish Maxi jet (1000) on
one side, so I doubt it is circulation. You also thought this was
sufficient. So I am thinking it must be I am overfeeding. <Perhaps...
and more likely a "true" Green Algae than Cyanobacteria...> The
trouble is they always say don't overfeed, but how much exactly do I
feed? <Try Nori... not much potential for pollution... and frequent
partial water changes... monitor some aspect of nutrient/metabolite
accumulation like nitrate concentration... and let this be your guide>
The trouble came, I think, when I tried to add some Nori to the tank
with a clip and later to just rubber band it to a piece of rock. The
stuff was blowing around all over. When the tang would bite a piece off
it left more to sail around the tank. Yikes. <Cut in smaller strips,
fold and pinch in the clip> Anyway, I stopped feeding the Nori
(somebody suggested there were differences in Nori but I don't know what
brand to buy). Also anything to make it less scraggly? Right now I am
feeding Spirulina flake, ON flake, and frozen brine supplemented with
vitamins and some of Ecosystems garlic elixir Also with vitamins and
iodine). I am looking at my watch and giving him about two minutes
worth, if you get my drift. But how often a day? <Two, three
times...> I have heard that they graze constantly, and I now don't
think I have enough algae on the rock to satisfy him/her. (Btw he/she
does look very good and the colors have come out a bit since I bought
it). So I must be doing something right. I just don't want the Cyano. I
hope this isn't too much to ask. :-) (I have an Ecosystems tank and i
think the algae in the sump has just starved off the other Algaes
perhaps? But not the Cyano. I know it's not really algae and i did read
and reread your articles and FAQ.) <Yes, possibly> Also could it
be something else? Like coralline? It is actually pretty and doesn't
seem slimy. It is even growing in the sand and on the backs of some
snails. I am scrapping it off with a credit card, but it seems too
maroon for coralline. It isn't dusty like diatoms. Sorry if this is
going on and on. I hope not incoherently. :-} Thanks again. --Jane
<No worries. Bob Fenner who sees you with a larger system, soon.>
Plants for marine systems? I have currently 5 fish, royal Gramma,
raccoon butterfly, domino damsel, yellow tail damsel, common clown, live
rock, pc of coral & fake coral in a 28 gallon tank. Is it a good idea to
add live plants for food. ALL IS DOING WELL <Lorenzo Gonzalez,
responding for Bob-in-Indonesia. That raccoon will eventually be
waaaaaay too big for that 28 gallon tank. None of those fish you listed
eat algae. But most of them would eat the little crustaceans that would
come/grow/breed with a healthy batch of Caulerpa in your system...
regards, Lorenzo> Re: nitrates high! Dear Bob, OK now
I'm REALLY confused. I quote you from the site you referred us to:
"by using a typical wet-dry you will find a surplus of nitrates
produced... and need to find ways to rid the system of the same...
Instead, more "balanced" filtration approaches like using live rock,
macroalgae, a mud sump... won't." Where do you describe the "mud
sump"? <Oh... let's see... do need to write a complete "piece" about
these... How about here: http://wetwebmedia.com/mudfiltrfaqs.htm
Please read through these FAQs and use the Google search feature on our
site (WetWebMedia) with the words "mud", "sump", refugium, Leng Sy...>
Isn't our crushed coral what they call a deep sand bed that has
denitrifying bacteria? <If deep enough, not too-circulated, depending
on grade, composition...> Would rustling through it disrupt this even
if there is detritus in it? <Yes, to some degree> Everything I
read said the trickle, while expensive, was the safest way to go (aside
from a totally LR system). <The "safest" way to go about what? Live
aquatic closed-system filtration? Depends on many qualifying criteria,
but not the "safest".> If we remove the BioBale, how will the ammonia
be broken down? <By nitrifiers elsewhere in the system... once going
(cycled) there are plenty> How will LR do anything different from the
BioBale? What's the best course to transition? <All this posted on
our site... Please read: http://wetwebmedia.com/liverock1.htm and
beyond in the "Curing LR" FAQs sections> Last night, we vacuumed out
a huge amount of black gunk under the bio-bale. Hopefully we did not
kill any helpful bacteria (or that gunk wasn't anaerobic bacteria).
Nitrates are still sky high. I'm reluctant to change much more water
since it's now approaching 50% in 3 days. <Not clear to me here...
what is approaching fifty percent?> If we go out and buy lots of
cured LR, won't a lot of that die in the transition and make matters
worse? <Some die off, but likely no problem.> Then, we REALLY need
a protein skimmer, right? Even, then, isn't that too traumatic? <Do
you not have a skimmer currently? You very likely would/will benefit
from ones use> In answer to your light question, our light is 4x20
watts (2 actinic, 2 full spectrum). Can LR survive OK on that? <Yes>
We planned to be fish only (except our hermit and cleaner shrimp). It
gets hot and we did not want to go metal halide/chiller. <Do try at
least "some" live rock... you will not be disappointed I assure you>
I can't seem to find a place that sells macroalgae. Where do you get
that stuff. I've been hearing about some Caulerpa ban??? Regardless, I'm
sure our little tang would love to snack on it. <Do check with the
e-tailers posted on the WWM Links Pages> You just can't win. Sorry to
always be so discouraged. Even if our system crashes, it has be 8 months
of happiness (in between the crises). Thanks, Allyson <Ah my
friend. You are on the brink of clarity. Do keep your eyes on the prize
and study. Bob Fenner> Reefing Hi Bob and experts,
<Anthony Calfo in your service> Today I have two questions to ask.
1) Do the corals that we newly brought need to blow off the sand, or
debris from the coral rock before we put in the main tank ? <rinsing
in an acclimation bucket would be nice. It is critical though at all
times/stages that detritus and sediment NEVER be allowed to settle on
any coral that does not receive it naturally. And when in doubt, assume
it needs to be removed. Sediment on many coral is theorized to
dramatically reduce the already precarious level of oxygen in the micro
layer of water surrounding all coral. If that layer is suffocated by
poor water flow in an aquarium or shipping vessel... or is sediment lies
atop too long... then local anoxia can quickly cause tissue
death/necrosis. There is also concern for a rapid development of biotic
activity (bacteria... even mostly non-pathogenic ones) which consume
oxygen and can mitigate the situation> 2) I intending to purchase
more algae for my refugium, what are the pro and con having lots of
algae in a tank :? <I just don't know where to begin with this
question. It really depends on the scope of your tank and the purpose of
the system (coral growth, display, actual coral farming/fragging...etc).
Still... I personally see far more harm then good from Caulerpas. I
prefer Seagrasses and calcareous Algaes (like Halimeda). If you will try
Caulerpa... fertilize and harvest it VERY systematically... else you
will be a slave to the threat of it going vegetative and causing serious
problems n the system. Also sheds noxious compounds that impede coral
growth especially in systems with poor/no skimming, lack of chemical
media etc. A really complicated dynamic.> Thanks, Regard Danny
<kindly, Anthony>
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