Substrate vacuuming - reef tank 10/25/05
Hi Guys and Gals,
Now, I REALLY DO try to read as much as I can on WWM and other web sites
before I ask a question.
<Good>
You all have been very, very
helpful many, many times. In this case I have found exact opposite
answers on WWM, so I thought I'd ask directly and maybe you can put it
to a vote ;). I have a 55G reef tank, lots of live rock, about
2-3" sand bed. Beside the low-bio-load of corals and fish, there is a
crew of hermits and Astrea snails along with an orange-spotted goby.
Should I manually vacuum the substrate,
<Yes>
and if so, how
deeply?
<it doesn't matter...just make sure you get all the detritus
out of the gravel...or you may have nitrate and algae problems>
Doesn't that suck all the little critters out of the bed?
<probably
not>
I have a siphon-type vacuum, but I've never actually used it on
my reef tank.....
<It should be fine, IanB>
<<Please Google
our site for tips on vacuuming sand beds - "Marina, vacuum, sand bed",
select the link that says 'cached'. MH>>
Re: Bristle
(Polychaete worms) Overpopulation 10/25/05
Hello again
<Hello!>
First , I would like to elaborate...I would NEVER introduce
ANY species of creature, coral or otherwise, into any eco system w/o
first approaching a restoration facility .
<Glad to see we’re on the
same page.>
I am full aware that many systems have been destroyed by
the introduction of the tiniest of creatures. My goal is to raise some
of the species native to my area and, through the marine-biological
community in my area, re-introduce some of the species that may have
been over harvested to the point of near extinction. (Sorry for my
verbiage in my last email)
<No worries didn’t offend me at all, its
just that a lot of kids frequent the forum including my siblings.>
I
have become quite outspoken on the subject and did not consider the
harshness of that words. My apologies. I will put more thought into it
next time.
<Don’t stress about it just proves you are zealous for
your dream, that’s not a bad thing.>
As far as the condition at
hand. My primary means of filtration is a refugium. I also am using an
oversized protein skimmer for my application.
<Both are very good.>
The collection cup seems to be storing a sufficient amount of refuse.
Most of the coral feeding that I am doing is via suspended liquids so I
wouldn't believe that the bristle worms would consider it a viable food
source. I may be wrong.
<It is possible, many liquid products become
excess nutrients contributing to pollution which indirectly can affect
the bristle problem.>
Nitrate and Ammonium levels are well within
allowable ranges.
<How is your water flow along the bottom of the
tank, maybe too much detritus is settling?>
Nearly nil. I have been
reading about using a small glass jar sunk into the substrate with holes
in the lid. I guess that I will try that next. My LFS has had a
multitude of problems getting Sixlines since all the storms have been
pummeling Florida. I will also get one of them ASAP.
<Be sure to
Quarantine it.>
Thank you again for the prompt email and God Bless.
<No trouble and you are welcome, Adam J.>
3 questions, and
answers.... Please use the site. - 10/24/2005
Hey guys and gals,
<Hello again Clare>
I have two totally different questions about the
same, 75 gallon tank.
<Alrighty>
#1. Is there such a thing as too
much filtration? I already have one Seaworld Systems Skimmer, I plan on
getting a Berlin Hang On Skimmer, and a Skimmer comes built in with the
AquaFuge PS Refugium. What do you guys think?
<Well you're not going
to over skim if that's what you mean. Keep in mind that every additional
piece of equipment is something else to maintain (preferably weekly).>
Also there will be the added filtration of the refugium, 79 lbs of live
rock, and my Seaworld Systems Wet/Dry with up to 125 gallon capacity,
too much filtration, or the more the merrier?
<It seems unnecessary,
but that is up to you. Weekly maintenance can take 15 min. or over an
hour.>
#2. I know it is probably a pretty long list...
<quite>
but could you guys name some corals that would fit well with my tank, it
has 440 (~ 5.87 watts per gallon) watts of VHO, 2 blue actinics, 2 white
actinics, and about 1100 gph of water flow, looking for some hardy but
beautiful specimens?
<Well, you've already mislabeled your lighting
(white actinics?) which leads me to believe you should wait on any. Be
that as it may, if you must make a purchase I would stick with the
mushrooms and zoanthids.>
#3. I don't know if the person who answers
this has any experience with wet dry filters, but once I remove the
bioballs (slowly) should I just leave the place where they were empty,
or should I fill it with another sort of filtration, and if so what?
<You can do either. You must decide what path you wish to follow here.>
P.S. You guys own the greatest fish website on the net, be proud of it.
<On behalf of Bob, the owner, thank you.>
P.P.S. Do you guys know of
any good places to purchase Chaetomorpha (sp?) for the fuge'?
<Check
out the links to all of the marine dealers/distributors in the livestock
section.>
Thanks a million,
<Happy to help, but you must help us
help you. Master what you have now before moving on. You must do the
research in this hobby or else live in constant indecision. Please use
more than the "Daily FAQ's" here. It will be worth more to you than any
advice we give. Don't rob yourself of the wealth (in knowledge) that so
many have tried so hard to amass. You owe it to yourself and you
livestock to at least understand the basic ideas behind a system. -
Josh>
Many Questions! 10/19/05
Hi guys and
gals,<hello!>
I have a 75 gallon tank with a CPR Hang on Back
refugium 6" DSB with assorted Caulerpa, and crushed live rock, (and many
pods') I also have a Sea Life Systems Skimmer, and a Wet Dry (no
bioballs) with a 125 gallon capacity. My water flow is about 1100 gph
and the lighting is about 6 watts per gallon of actinic fluorescents, 2
white and two blue, on for about 12 hrs. per day. I have 79 lbs of Live
Rock in the display (45 Fiji, 24 Tonga Branch) and a 1" sand bed. I
change 15 - 20 gallons of water every two weeks.<sounds good!>
My
water parameters are as follows:
pH: 8.3
Nitrate: 10
Nitrite: 0
Ammonia: 0
Calcium: 350 - 400
Salinity: < 1.025
Temperature: 79 - 82 (fluctuates gradually, two thermometers)
<parameters look fine!>
Livestock is as follows:
Inverts: 5
Black Turbo Snails, 10 Nassarius Snails, 5 Blue legged Hermits, and one
bubble tip anemone
Fish: 3 Blue Green Chromis all 1 and 1/2 ", 2
Ocellaris Clowns 1", 1 Twinspot Goby 2", 1 Neon Goby < 1", 1 Royal
Gramma 2", 1 Flame Angel 3", and a Pacific Blue Tang 2"
I feed the
fish a variety: Spirulina, Flakes, Pellets, Mysis, Brine (treat),
Seaweed, Assorted crustacean flesh once in a while.
I also have a
QT! it is an Eclipse 12 which has really worked out well for me, no
problems whatsoever.<this is a must!! especially with all of the LFS
that do not QT their fish!>
I just wondered what you guys thought of
my setup, or had any tips or pointers, everything is doing great right
now and I hope the same can be said for you guys.
<I believe you are
doing an excellent job, and it looks as if you have researched before
you setup your aquarium! The QT Eclipse setup was a very good idea
on your part...so many fish die each day/per year because of ich,
bacterial infections etc. The majority of those fish could have been
saved if they were treated in a QT aquarium.
Good luck with
everything!! IanB>
Thanks,
Clare
Sick Two Spot <Wrasse> need help 9/5/05
I am somewhat new
to the hobby of saltwater aquariums I have a two spotted wrasse that has
begun acting strange spinning in circles barely above the sand. Any
thought on what I should do or what may be causing this.
<Is this a
Coris aygula?>
His color still looks good and he does not appear to
have and wounds.
I also have the following items in my
tank
snails
crabs
anemones
<... not good>
yellow
tang
blue tang
tomato clown
6 damsels
coral beauty
The tank is 150 gallon and I have 125 lbs of live rock
Thanks for
any thoughts
Trever
<Please "plug in" the common names of the
organisms you list above in the Google search tool on the homepage,
indices on WWM... and read... You have some important input coming...
the Coris wrasse grows to a few feet in length, the anemones... Bob
Fenner>
Mushroom Problems, Snails Drop Like Flies..?
I have a 200 gal
reef tank with around 300 lbs of live rock, the PH is at a constant 8.3,
gravity perfect, ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite all at zero, the lighting
is 2 dual compact fluorescent hoods with a actinic and a 10,000k tube in
each, the tank has about 1000 gph filtration with wet dry, mechanical
and a refugium. I keep easier corals, like polyps, mushrooms,
cauliflowers, etc. There are 4 damsels, a yellow tang, a hippo blue,
various hermits and snails, and serpent stars. The problems is the
mushrooms have not been looking absolutely great, should they be kept
closer to the
bottom or directly under the compacts? Also
should I be adding supplements or not?
<Lighting not very
important... you could have more circulation, likely have excess
end-products of nitrification with the wet-dry... I'd convert this or at
least remove the biomedia>
I have been adding Kent CoralVite, Lugol's
solution about every other week, and C-balance.
<For what reason/s?
Do you test for these?>
The one other problem is, I just got rid of a
hair algae infestation by having to turn the lights off for like 2
months, I restocked the tank with my algae eating boys, scarlet hermits,
Mexican red tipped hermits, turbo snails, mithrax crabs, and a few
Astrea snails and Nassarius snails, but they have been slowly
disappearing, I thought it may have been the water or maybe a slight
electrical surge from some pump or something but there wasn't one, and
the tube feather dusters coming off of the rocks are spreading like
crazy, which I though would also be affected by this.
The only thing
I think may be the problem is I have caught shame-faced crabs that rode
in on the rock, which was actually bought over a year and a half ago.
Also maybe some time of pest shrimp, there is a certain part of the tank
were something, I have not seen it yet, has been digging out a cavity
under the rocks, and keeps it well dug. How can I get ride of these
potential pests if they are the ones killing my algae eaters?
Thank
You
John M.
<You could trap them out... Time to send you to WWM...
read re converting the WD... Don't turn your lights off... Bob Fenner>
Reef & DSB Maintenance
Hi! I guess I can't specify, but if I
could, it would be to Mr. Fenner and Mr. Calfo. I am enjoying your new
book Reef Invertebrates. I have been convicted about some things I'd
like to change.
<Interesting>
A man at the LFS set me up and I
trusted him but he was just a bit behind in his information. And now I
know more and want to re-do a few things. Already have. I bought a
skimmer, upgraded my lighting, installed fans in my hood and now I have
a very stable temp all the time. You discuss deep sand beds. It makes
sense and I'm having a tough time keeping clean the crushed coral. Plus
every time I deeply siphon it I feel like I am sucking up some of the
mandarin's food! I wish I didn¹t have to disturb it so like that! I am
meticulous in my water changes. I thoroughly siphon the substrate, clean
all filtration pads, pre-filters, etc.
<Mmm, biological cleanliness
is not sterility...>
No trouble with the usual tests. Even nitrate is
as low as it gets (Got the lowest when I removed all the Cell Pore's
balls which were pretty yucky!) . No phosphorus, ammonia, nitrite, and
this is after I followed your advice and took out the bio balls. I am
waiting a while to take the bio wheel out just to be sure.
I put in a
refugium that has a nice deep sand bed with Gracilaria, Ulva, and Chaeto
and tons of copepods and amphipods. Now I wish I could do it for my main
tank. It is a 90 gallon with a Tidepool sump, with skimmer, UV, adequate
pump, two powerheads, adequate lighting.
The fish are Red Sea purple
tang, blue hepatus tang, flame hawk, ruby-headed fairy wrasse, sailfin
blenny, royal Gramma, 2 ocellaris clowns, mandarin, and a coral beauty.
This is the last of the fish to be added with a desire to keep some easy
corals. Do you think I am one of those overstocked?
<You're right
about there>
And now for the questions about the sand/ crushed coral
change. In the book you say pick one size of grain and stick with just
that and try to get spherical. Did I understand this right?
<Yes,
this is ideal>
So say I removed portions from week to week replacing
with this sand. Yes I know it needs to be between 4-6 inches
deep.
Will all the junk stirred up removing the crushed coral and putting in
that sand bother anyone?
<Perhaps>
Will the fish be really
compromised?
<Maybe>
I do have a patch of green starburst polyps.
That is the only coral. What method could you suggest for easy removal
and minimal junk stirred up of the crushed coral?
<A large diameter
siphon to suck it up/out... a good sized container/s to allow the water
to settle, decant back to the tank... and/or a bunch of water pre-mixed,
matched for replacement>
What is your suggested method for getting
that live sand in there without a massive cloud? Or you may simply think
I should leave it alone. I just wish I could do a simple water change
without the incredible time put in to siphoning so long every week and
just sit in front of the tank instead of always being IN the tank! And
to find live sand... no one seems to sell the real live stuff in large
quantities. It seems I just buy lots of some that supposedly has lots of
bacteria in it. Then I am supposed to inoculate it with a small purchase
of say, IPSF Œs Surfzone Live sand activator (what if that is a
different size sand, though?).
<No biggee>
However, I did buy that
once and stuck it in with my crushed coral and everybody in the tank
thought it was great feeding and ate everything up. So are folks like me
destined to be stuck with bad decisions made in the beginning or is
there hope of a healthy, positive transition?
<Mmm, you seem to be
(along with myself, a few known others) in the small minority of folks
that will read, learn "second" or other hand w/o having to personally
experience less-favorable experiences first-hand...>
Pardon all the
detailed questions but I really want to do this right this time. Again,
thank you for the book and when is the next one coming about the corals?
I don¹t want to start purchasing them until I do some reading. Thank you
again and I look forward to what you will share with me.
Sincerely,
Renee'
<Do investigate, perhaps join a marine club, attend some of
the "group of groups" club meetings likely IMAC, MACNA, the various
marine conferences... for input, inspiration... You'll do fine, take
your time... Bob Fenner>
"Dirt" around live rock 4/15/05
Three weeks ago we set up our tank. 55 gal. with 50lbs. of live rock
from 3 year old established tank with two green Chromis. The dealer knew
the seller was moving and said they are very reliable. It had lots of
pink and red coralline, beautiful. Rock even has the twig looking things
that you say shows good care in a tank.
<Great!>
We have had no
spikes and no drops. Everything has been kept perfect and I test every
day. Temp at 78.4.
<Everything? If you don't test alkalinity, please
do! It is important in maintaining that beautiful coralline algae.>
I
have started to notice what looks like dirt coming out of rock and
laying on the sand next to the rock. I think there is also some poop in
it. I left my camera at the fish store yesterday so I cannot take a
picture. Do you have any ideas?
<It could be detritus from the rock
or it could be the castings (misc wastes) from some critter living in
the rock. Either way it is fine.>
We added four Turbos yesterday but
this was going on before they came into the picture.
<No worries.
This is just one of the many joyous mysteries of live rock! AdamC.>
Reef set-up/planning questions 4/14/-5
Hi Anthony,
<Cheers>
Thanks a lot for the last reply. You gave me the impression I somehow
was on the right track. Reassuring. I have a few more questions, I'll
try to be as short as possible...
-I've read somewhere on the WWM
that MH bulbs should be changed each 2-5 years. That surprised me as I
thought they needed to be changed each 12 months. Correct answer is once
a year, right (and each 18 months for PC)?
<Not exactly... it depends
on the bulb. Some need changed after just a year of use, while many last
longer. Some of the best ones retain over 90% of their efficiency for
the full life of the bulb (over 4 years in some cases. I had one go
almost 5 years)>
-When buying a new MH bulb, there is a warning
saying the bulb burns much brighter during the first 100 hours.
<Correct>
Does one have to let it burn 100 hours before use on the
aquarium?
<Nope... not needed. But do try to use a sheet or two of
fiberglass fly screen (window fabric ) to diffuse light during the break
in period>
It means I'd have to turn hood upside down and illuminate
the ceiling each night during a week, switching old and new bulb each
evening/morning... Would be an annoying procedure.
-If I go with
daily water changes, would 1 or 2% per day be sufficient?
<Larger
weekly water changes would better help reduce nitrates, etc>
-Can I
use Selcon in FW as well?
<Yes! Lipids/HUFAs are good for all>
-How can we know that a certain fish we are buying (from a frequently
captive bred species) is really tank bred and not imported?
<There
are no guarantees... but you must trust your LFS and your own good sense
and intuition along with consumer research in advance>
I trust my
LFS, but I don't know the persons they're buying from...
-If I use a
Wave2K in my tank, can I place a central LR mound right on it (with
clear space in front of vents of course) or do I still have to respect
the 3" away minimum...?
<I'm really not sure. Do ask of the mfg
directly>
-In what part of the sump should the evaporation make-up FW
(from Osmolator) go ? In the first part with skimmer or in the last one
close to the return pump?
<The last stage>
-Even though they are
beneficial, I'm still not sure I want to see worms (bristle,
spaghetti...) crawling around in my tank. Can I do as well without them
with my DSB methodology (4" in display and in fuge)...
<Yes>
...if
I rely on Nassarius, micro brittle/serpent stars, amphipods to do the
trick (stirring/aerating)?
<Yeppers>
-I got interested in sponges
after going through the Porifera chapter of "Reef Invertebrates". With
the mix of corals we already discussed in my last mail (Euphyllia,
xenia, and Montipora digitata), could I still add a pretty blue/purple
Haliclona sponge?
<Yes... and be sure to give it high light and high
water flow>
And also one cryptic species to make use of the shady
zones of my tank (36" hood on a 48" tank = dim light on top sides of
tank...)? Here if you could recommend one or some species (I like
tubular species or with holes able to provide shelter to other animals)
that would fit with my mix (not too noxious) and places where to find
them. They don't seem to be readily available...
<Have you read the
writings of Steve Tyree on the subject of cryptic refugia? Google until
it hurts :)>
-Should I forget about keeping a crocea clam and a
Lysmata amboinensis in the same tank?
<It is risky in the long term>
And what about a single specimen of "micro-hermit"? Very likely to pick
on the clam I guess...
<I do not recommend hermits at all... they are
too indiscriminate as feeders/predators>
-About phytoplankton
reactors. I have seen heavy set-ups with reactors on the net. I think I
don't want to get too involved with these. Would it still be worth it to
simply use a single 2l pop bottle dripping in the fuge (as seen in Reef
Invertebrates, p.54) without adding culture media. Would only use a
strain to start the culture with new seawater (made from RO-DI) and no
additives and adding new seawater as need is to compensate for the drip.
Would it still be useful?
<Yes... it certainly can be :)>
BTW is
there not phytoplankton in the system anyway, especially when using a
lighted fuge with macro-algae?
<Yes... but there just is not enough
produced naturally>>
-Back to the subject of getting an ocellaris to
host a coral in my tank. I tough I took a step in the right direction by
forgetting about the BTA and use a coral substitute.
<Excellent!
thank you>
Seems I'm dead wrong again with Euphyllia. With the set-up
I'm planning, I wonder if it's even worth trying to have an ocellaris at
all. Let's say I have 2 or 3 Euphyllia and an awful lot of xenia
(hopefully:). I guess it's maybe possible that the ocellaris would favor
xenia and only host the Euphyllia from time to time.
<It is possible>
Is it something possible to have the corals in a set-up "share the
burden" of a clownfish thus being able to get along with it?
<Rather
than stress the corals... my advice is to forget about the mix in a
garden reef tank, and set up a dedicated anemone tank, my friend>
Ok,
Thanks again!!! Dominique
<Kindly, Anthony>
Reef Grab Bag of
Questions!
Good morning!
<Hi there! Scott F. here today!>
We hope the day is beautiful in your neck of the woods!
<Sure was!
Hope yours is going well, too!>
We are hoping that we can get some
insight on a few areas for our reef. We have been through the threads
extensively and can't seem to find a solid answer to our concerns.
<I'll give it my best!>
Lighting Concerns:
We have a 92 corner
system with one 400 MH pendant positioned about 10" above the tank.
<Wow! That's a lot of light for this sized tank, IMO. Granted, many
hardcore SPS nerds will agree and think that this is right, but it
really can be excessive for many species not acclimated to it.>
Our
reef houses various soft and LPS corals (detailed below). Recently we
have noticed that the Candy Cane has two heads that are dying out (it
was positioned in the middle of the tank, when the first head started
dying, I moved it closer to the light).
The Fox Coral has always
been at the bottom of the tank. We see that it is very slowly showing
dead spots on each end (the coral is about 7" wide). The remaining
portion of the coral appears healthy, but we are concerned.
<Hmm.. a
pattern is emerging here. Could be some sort of disease, but I'm
thinking that it may be too much light..>
We also recently lost two
heads on the Hammer Coral. We thought that this was because it fell on
the bubble coral. Now considering the Candy Cane, We am wondering it
this coral is too close to the light as well.
<That is my main
theory at this point...>
All of the other corals appear healthy. We
are looking at the lighting and/or alkalinity as the tank parameters are
steady at:
Calcium = 450
PH = 8.0 - 8.3
Nitrite = 0
Ammonia = 0
The Alkalinity = 3.2 (Other possible culprit ~ Bottomed
out and dropped to 1.5 and we have raised it 1.0 per day for the past
two days, did 15% water change ~ dropped to 1.5 again with water change
~ raised again 1.0 per day for the past two days).
<Fluctuating
alkalinity is not a good thing...Could be that your buffering is being
taxed. Are you dosing Kalkwasser or using a calcium reactor? Stability,
even at the lower ends of the alkalinity range, is important, IMO.
Stability is one of the keys to a successful system.>
Lighting
Questions:
Is a 400 MH with a 36" T5 too much light for a 92 corner
(24" depth) sitting about 10" from the water surface?
<Well, could
be too much for the corals that you keep. I suppose if you were trying
to keep Porites or other super-demanding corals, this would be
appropriate, but it could be problematic for some of the LPS corals...>
Should the LPS corals be placed lower in the tank?
<I would try
this. Remember, many corals need careful acclimation to new lighting
regimes, and moving moderate-light-tolerant corals into a high light
situation without an acclimation period is problematic. Anthony Calfo
has written extensively on this in his must-have "Book of Coral
Propagation". Check it out!>
We read in the threads that with too
much light you can slowly kill
your corals over the course of a
year. We certainly don't want this to happen (our hearts as well as lots
of $$ tied up in this endeavor!). We have found much information on
coral placement but nothing specific to MH lighting vs. Fluorescent
lighting. Could you please favor us with confirmation of appropriate
placement of the corals detailed below 24" deep with 400 MH?
<I'd
move them into deeper water, or partially shade them to get more
indirect lighting...>
We have our lights on timers to turn on a 6:30
am and turn off at 8:30 pm. Is this too long? And, if not, can we run
the lights to 10:00 pm?
<I don't think so. Again- stability is good.
A regular lighting schedule is fine, provided the lighting is
appropriate.>
It would allow us to enjoy our tank more in the
evening when we are home. I turn the lights on at 6:30 am to accommodate
the morning feeding before I leave for work.
<I'd set the timer to
come on around mid morning and stay on later for you to enjoy
them...Again- stability and consistency are the key!>
The refugium
lights come on at 8:30 pm and run until 6:30 am. Is this correct?
<Personally, I agree with your "reverse daylight" scheme...Helps keep
the pH more constant.>
Sand Bed Concerns:
We have also read in
the threads that too deep of a sand bed of mixed grain size can cause
problems. We have about 3" of live sand, mostly coarse. This selection
was chosen on recommendation at our local LFS and seems to please our
yellow head jaw fish. We also have about 3-4" of live sand in the
refugium which is soft, fine grade sand.
<I am not personally over
concerned about mixing grain sizes.>
Sand Bed Questions:
Do we
need to increase the depth of our sand bed in either or both of the
tanks?
<If you want to. In a sand bed of 3 inches or more, good
denitrification can easily take place. It's you call...>
How often
should we stir the sand bed(s), if at all?
<I would not disturb a
healthy sand bed, as you will disrupt the very processes that you are
trying to foster..>
Water Change Questions:
<One of my favorite
topics!>
We use RO water and fill a 32 gallon bucket throughout the
week. We
keep a pump and heater in the bucket and change about 15%
of the water weekly (Total system holds about 205 gallons and we change
about 30 gallons weekly).
<Nice schedule!>
When we do the water
change, we use a small power head to blow debris from the reef and take
about 15 gallons from the 92, 10
gallons from the 40, and 5 gallons
from the refugium. Is this the best way to do the water changes?
<The best way is to simply do 'em! You're doing a really good job. If
it's working for you, stay with it!>
Fish Compatibility:
We
recently made a very poor purchase of a Purple LTA and 2 small Gold Band
Maroon Clowns. The Purple LTA died within 3 days (not surprised based on
all of the information in your threads and we realize it was a bad
choice to begin with ~ hind sight and all...).
<Sorry to here that.
At least if you learned something, the animal will not have died in
vain.>
Any way, we are left with the 2 clown fish that are as
endearing as your threads suggest.
<They are great fishes!>
They
seem to hang out a lot with the bubble coral now. Your articles and
threads indicate that these guys will get pretty large and potentially
aggressive, taking on the role of King of the Tank.
<Entirely
possible!>
How bad of a choice is it to leave the clowns with the
corals and mix of reef fish in our tank? Although we find them to be
wonderful at this small size, we really do want to achieve a solid
balance in our system.
<Unfortunately (or fortunately), there are no
guarantees in the animal world. Even though these fish have a reputation
for aggressiveness, they can be perfect citizens as well! Fish, like
people, are individuals, and do not always conform to our expectations
for their behavior.>
Pump Power:
We have purchased spray bars
for the 92 reef, but find that our CA-4000 does not create a strong
enough return through the bars reducing the flow to a mere trickle. What
size pump would we need to accommodate the spray bars in the tank?
<Hmm...a tough call. I'd rather see a more powerful pump than you think
that you need, with a good ball valve to dial it down as needed.>
The tank has two smaller powerheads placed mid tank that run in 15
minute alternating intervals and a powerhead at the top opposite of the
return line. We were hoping the spray bars would eliminate dead spots in
the tank.
<A well-placed spray bar can do a great job at moving
water throughout the system. Be sure to keep it free of clogging
coralline algae growths.>
There are spray bars on the Horse House
creating a very gentle current which I understand is great for the
Horses, but is it also alright for our coral selection in the Horse
House?
<Well, alternating (not laminar) flow is great for most
coral..>
I know that I am probably asking WAY to many questions.
<Nah.. it's okay- that's what we're here for!>
If you choose to
answer we are very grateful!
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL WEBSITE!
<You're welcome! Glad to hear that!>
Tank specifics:
92 gallon
bow front reef with built in overflow - Reef System - 400 MH ~ 1 36" T5
~ 150 + of live rock ~ @3" deep bed of live sand ~ 2Powerheads mid tank
on 15 minute alternating intervals (timer) ~ 1powerhead running at top
opposite return line
FISH:
Powder Blue Tang
(4"), Splendid
Pseudochromis, Lawnmower Blenny, Pink Spot Watchman Goby, Target
Mandarin, 2 Purple Fire Fish, Yellowhead Jaw Fish, Cherry Red Flame
Hawk, 3 Neon Gobies, Pair of Small Maroon Clowns, Six Line Wrasse, and 4
Catalina Gobies.
<Nice mix>
CORALS: Various Mushrooms (Red,
Blue, Green Stripe, Hairy, Elephant), 3 Colors of Star Polyps, Waving
Hand Xenia, Toadstool Leather, Yellow Toadstool Leather, Cabbage
Leather, Spaghetti Leather, Fox Coral, Candy Cane Coral, Hammer Coral,
Kenya Tree Coral, Torch Coral, Bubble Coral, Blue Maxima Clams, Orange
Zoos & Other Assorted Polyps.
<A nice, albeit somewhat unnatural mix
of corals...Perhaps a lower wattage of halide might be more suitable...>
OTHER CRITTERS: Coral Banded Shrimp, 2 Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 3
Peppermint Shrimp, 3 Emerald Mithrax Crabs, 1 Sallie Lightfoot Crab, 3
Christmas Tree Worm Rocks, 4 Hawaiian Feather Dusters, 1 Pink Cocoa
Worm, 1 Red Knobby Star, 1 Orange Star, 2 Brittle Stars, 1 Sand Sifting
Star, Numerous & Various Snails, Hermit Crabs, & 1 Pink Knobby Cucumber.
40 gallon tall reef with built in overflow - Horse House - Coralife
Lunar Aqualight (130 W) PC @ 35-40 lbs of live rock ~ Refugium Mud Bed
with 3-4" deep bed of live sand
CRITTERS: 4 Black Reidi Seahorses, 2
Yellow Reidi Seahorses, 2 Blood
Red Fire Shrimp, 1 Sand Sifting
Star, 1 Purple Linckia Star, and 3
Peppermint Shrimp.
CORALS:
Various Mushrooms, Colt Coral, Yellow Toadstool Leather,
Spaghetti
Leather, Star Polyps, Waving Hand Xenia, Orange Zoos & Other Assorted
Polyps.
The SET-UP: The 92 & 40 Gravity Feed to a Bucket housing the
Mag 7 Pump direct feeding the AquaC EV-180 Protein Skimmer
The
Protein Skimmer overflows into a 29 Gallon Sump with about 35-40 lbs of
Live Rock & 150 W Heater
The 29 Gallon Sump (lit at night with a 36"
- T5) overflows into a 5 Gallon Tank used as an overflow to the 60
Gallon Refugium (filled to about 40 Gallons, lit at night with a
Coralife Lunar Aqualight (192 W) PC) which overflows into another 5
Gallon Tank housing a CA-2200 (returning to the Horse House) & a CA-4000
(returning to the 92 Reef) The Refugium houses: Snails, Sand Sifting
Star, & 2 Cleaner Shrimp with a 3-4" live sand bed, and a 500 W Titanium
Heater. Todd & Jenn
<Sounds like a nice system! Keep up the good
work! Regards, Scott F.>
Sick eels, please help
I have a
300 gallon salt water live reef tank. About two weeks ago my wolf eel
(had it for 6 months) started hiding, just laying around in one spot and
stop eating. He is sick.
<Mmm, not necessarily... and this fish is
not a true eel, but a Dottyback family member>
I asked the guy that
takes care of my tank, what is going on? He does not know too much about
eels, just that it happens. When I lived in Hawaii I had a 150 salt
water tank with a zebra eel for 8 years, he never got sick.
<Gymnomuraena zebra is a great aquarium species>
Well, today my snow
flake eel (I've had him for 9 months) is lying on it's side, I think he
is dead. he was fine yesterday. The odd thing about this is that the
snowflake eel is lying on the sand and the wolf eel is lying on top of
the snow flake eel.
<Coincidence likely>
Please tell me what you
think is going on.
Thank you,
Robin
<Strange loss... I take it
you check your water quality often, feed all well... perhaps something
the one ate, or touched... Bob Fenner>
Re: sick eels, please
help...
What's really odd is every time the guy who services my
tank comes he never checks the quality of the water in the tank.
<?!>
I questioned him on this and he says, "Oh it's a live reef tank, you do
not need to check the water quality." All he does when he comes is
refill the back up container with distilled water and cleans the glass.
I'm beginning to think I've been put together.
<... I beg to
differ... most simpler systems can "get by" w/ simple observation of
livestock, routine water changes... An expensive, large reef system? I
suspect "additives" are being utilized... perhaps a calcium reactor...
Everything that is being supplemented must need be tested for... MUST!
Else imbalances are a foregone conclusion>
The big question..... Does
the water quality of a live reef tank need to be balanced and checked.
<Uh, yes>
One more thing in January I lost 12 beautiful fish to ick.
The fish service guy said for me to by some natural stuff (I forget the
name) and treat the water. When I could not get or find about 5 of the
dead fishes, I asked him to come out and find them in the rocks and
remove them, he said, no need they will disintegrate. How true is this.
<... if small biomass, this laziness can be tolerated...>
Okay, so I
just called the fish guy and he is coming out to my house this
afternoon, should he be removing the dead eels (I would think so) and
checking the water?
Please advise.
<... I maintained such systems
(we had the largest service company on the planet) for about two
decades... You should shop around for someone else. Bob Fenner>
Looking for advice please
Hail, almighty wetweb gurus! Thank you
again for your wonderful site, of which I have spent much time perusing.
It's such a great resource for newbie marine aquarists like myself.
Anyway, now that I have buttered you up, I was wondering if you could
please answer a few questions I have, the answers of which I have not
been able to find. I will split them into a few paragraphs, as they
relate to different areas (but I guess they are all inter-related too).
<Sheesh! Enough obeisance already!>
Nitrate question:
I have a new
50 gallon tank, about two months old, in which I am keeping 3 seahorses,
and two purple firefish. Current readings are 0.0 ammonia, 0.0 nitrites,
20 nitrates, 8.3 pH and 10225 SG. I haven't done my KH and Ca this week
(I know, I suck), so I can't give you those readings. Phosphates are
around 0.0. Sand-bed depth is approx 2". I have been unable to get my
nitrate reading below 20ppm since my tank 'cycled' - although I am sure
it is still cycling, or rather, settling into a rhythm of sorts.
I
do a 10% water change weekly, which also has no effect on the nitrates.
I don't believe that over-feeding is an issue - I feed ½ cube frozen
Hikari Mysis shrimp in the morning, and the other half of the cube at
night. Very rarely are any pieces left over. I rinse the Mysis in tank
water prior to feeding out. I cycled my tank with LR - ammonia never got
above 0.3 during the cycling process, and nitrites were barely
detectable. Nitrates were 0.0 for about 4 days, then shot up to 20 and
stayed there. I added the firefish 3 weeks ago, and the seahorses last
Saturday (5/14/05). Do you know what else could be causing my unmovable
nitrate readings?
<Yep>
Would it make a difference if I did two 5%
water changes weekly, rather than one 10%?
<Not much>
Or even two
10% weekly?
<Nope>
Or is this just part of the whole 'new tank'
phenomenon? Should I add some kind of nitrate sponge? I know nitrates
are not as toxic to livestock, but I would rather get the levels down to
5 or below, if possible. Thank you in advance for your help.
<Many
possible steps to lowering nitrate, discovering its source/s... posted
on... WWM>
Dinoflagellate question:
I had a minor diatom bloom
about a week after I added livestock. This has cleared up now, as the
tank settles in. However, after reading through your FAQ's, I am
wondering if I now have a dinoflagellate problem.
<Doubtful... and is
likely diatom, not dino-based>
I am sorry, I don't have a pic to show
you; however, there is a brown, mildly 'stringy', soft-looking algae
substance growing on my glass and LR. It has what look like air bubbles
trapped through it. In fact, there are air bubbles all over my LR - is
this a sign of a problem, or is it normal?
<More normal>
The brown
algae stuff doesn't appear extremely aggressive, but it is omnipresent,
and, well, to sound petty, it makes my tank look ugly. Are
dinoflagellates toxic?
<Some>
My livestock seem fine, but I don't
want them to get sick. Also, our LFS recently sold us new lighting - but
instead of full spectrum white globes, sold us lights with more red (as
well as blue actinics). They said that instead of selling full spectrum,
they preferred to split the spectrum into separate lighting components.
<Let them>
Anyway, the red lighting made all the nuisance (and good)
algaes bloom (surprise, surprise). We have changed back to the full
spectrum, and now things seem to be under better control. I have read on
your site that adding Kalkwasser to increase the pH can help reduce the
presence of dinoflagellates.
<Actually all phosphate using life>
My LFS has sold me a buffer called Kalk, which I don't think is the same
thing. I am sorry, I can't remember the company who makes it - could be
Aquastar, or Aquasonic, or something like that.
<Write us back after
you've done your testing, reading...>
It's in powder form, and it
claims NOT to interfere with pH. Well, they lied. It does increase pH -
but it does also seem to have a strong buffering capacity. Anyway, the
question in all this is: Should I use this 'Kalk' stuff to increase my
pH to reduce the (supposed) dinoflagellates problem...or should I drip
Kalkwasser? If so, how much? What else can I do to reduce the problem?
<Posted... on WWM>
Sorry, sorry, I know I have a lot of
questions...you can go get a coffee at this point, if you like. I'll
wait ;-)
Trace element question:
I do not, at present, add any
trace elements to my water. I use filtered seawater (from the LFS) to
perform my 10% weekly water changes. Do I need to add anything else?
<Not likely>
If so, what would be best? I don't have (or plan to add)
any corals. I just want healthy fish. Um, I think that's it for now.
Thank you so much in advance for any help or advice that you can give. I
really appreciate it.
Melinda
<Where, when in doubt... study.
Become facile with our indices, the Google search tool... much for you
to know, understand... that is inter-related. Bob Fenner>
Reef
System Suggestions
Hello crew! I am about to add some inhabitants
to my 29gal. reef tank. Here are the specs: Amiracle skimmer run by a
Hagen 201 powerhead, Aqua Clear 200 filter with just a pouch of Phos X,
no other media, Power Sweep 20 for circulation as well as a ViaAqua
1300, Coralife Compact 2-65wt, 1 actinic and 1- 10,000K. Temp is 80,
1.024 spec. gravity, PH 8.3, NH4 0ppm, NO2
0ppm, NO3 40ppm,
<A bit high... would endeavor
to keep below twenty ppm>
PO4 2ppm
<Way too
high!>
and Ca is 400ppm. The last 3 are an issue that have been
driving me crazy, and leading to sporadic outbreaks of Cyanobacteria.
These values are 48hrs after a 30% water change using distilled water. I
cannot get the nitrate and phosphate down and the calcium always seems
low. Any ideas on how to correct these issues?
<Posted... on WWM>
The current occupants of the tank are: @15lbs of live rock, yellow
button polyps, green star polyps, pink leather coral, 1 peppermint
shrimp that molts monthly, large brittle starfish and 1 sandsifting
starfish the size of a dime - hitchhiker I guess, he was a surprise, 6
blue legged hermit crabs, 1 Astrea snail. I am planning to add more live
rock, coral and macroalgae. Any suggestions?
<Posted...>
Also
would like to add 3-4 small fish. I'm thinking about a Catalina goby and
orchid Dottyback. Also saw a damsel that was labeled as Royal, yet that
is not the fish I find listed as such on the web. The body is the same
but the color is the same blue and orange as on a Fiji devil. If I can
find some info on this damsel I would like to add that also if it is
well suited and compatible. Any suggestions on these or other fish would
be greatly appreciated.
One last note, this tank did have fish in it
prior, I lost them all to an ick outbreak. I believe the outbreak was
from a combination of overcrowding, temp. change and possibly high
nitrates and phosphates(?).
<And the introduction of the
pathogen... from a lack of quarantine, prophylactic dip/bath...>
Your
input on the best way to restock and continue my little piece of the
ocean would be great.
Thanks,
Caryn
<Fix your water chemistry
first. There is a source of nutrient... what is it? Bob Fenner>
Re: Tank question
Dear AdamC, Thank you very much for you advice.
I'm very sorry that I've insulted your family with the non-use of live
rock and my dislike of the creepy crawly things!!!!! :) The last thing I
wanted to do is insult you!!!! :) When we were overrun with bristleworms
in our 55 gal, we did have an undergravel filter with lots of detritus
underneath. That is probably what the issue was. I will not be using an
undergravel again.
<Ha! No real insult taken! Undergravel filters
are no longer widely used in saltwater tanks for many reasons, and it
may have contributed to your bristle worm population.>
Adam...Ok say
I want to join the buggy side of saltwater keeping again... Join the
DARK SIDE!!!! :) What would I need for my tank? I want to do this right.
The tank will not be set up until next year, but I want to get all of my
stuff first. of course the live rock will be the last expense for the
tank, but at least I can get all of my dry goods in order.
<The
basics for any marine tank are: tank, skimmer and live rock. Sumps are
nice, strong lighting needs to be added for corals and sand is optional
(see comments below).>
How much live rock? There is a dealer in our
area. He has cured and non-cured live rock in huge tubs. I don't know
what kind of LR is it. I don't know how reputable he is either. What do
you suggest?
<Quality live rock is available from many sources. I
would suggest enough to fill about 1/3 of the volume of the tank. This
is usually about 1.5lb per gallon. "Kaelini" and Marshall Islands rock
tends to be more "open structured" and takes less weight to get the same
volume, but costs a bit more. Fiji is a bit more "bouldery" and dense,
but cheaper. I would suggest going to your dealer and picking pieces
that have interesting shapes that look like they will stack well (some
dealers charge a premium for this privilege, but it is often worth it.)>
What kind of sand is the best to use? Where do I get it??? I'm on the
East Coast. I would like to have the fine DSB. How much do I need to get
for a 36x18x16 tank? Would 80 # of the Home Depot South Beach play sand
suffice for a 3" bed?
<If you choose a fine sand bed, "Southdown"
sand from home depot is a marvelous choice, and #80 should get you up to
about 3", but I would try for an initial depth of 4-5".... Keep in mind
that it settles about 25% in the first couple of months.>
Would I
need a protein skimmer? If so what kind do you suggest for hang on tank
installation. Had one of these before and it was totally useless. Never
got anything in the foam cup and it was horribly loud. Hope they work
better than in previous years.
<There are very few hang on skimmers
that work well. The CPR backpack is decent and very reasonably priced.
The Aqua-C Remora is much better, but more expensive. Deltec makes a
hang on skimmer that works very well, but you may have to take a loan to
buy it!>
I still want to use 2 Aquaclear 300 filters. I really do
love them. Would I still use carbon inserts/ChemiPure with the live
rock???
<I would run carbon only. Be sure to remove and rinse the
filter elements frequently to prevent detritus build up.>
I have a
single fluorescent 36" light strip. Is that sufficient for the LR and
fish? I currently only run the lights for about 6-8 hours or so. No
sense on having lights on if we are not there to watch them. Although
the room that the tank will be in does receive some light in the AM
hours.
<No problems here. If the rock starts to turn white, the
coralline and other algae on it aren't getting enough light. If this
occurs, I would lengthen the photoperiod to 8-10 hours.>
How do I
clean the LR? Turkey baster????? Do you clean LR????
<I blast around
my rock with a turkey baster every couple of weeks and I vacuum it when
I do water changes. Nothing else is needed.>
When I get the live
rock...Do I need to epoxy it together to create a more stable home???
<You can do this, but if you stack well it isn't necessary. You can also
use plastic "Zip-ties" or cable ties. They are available in the
electrical section of home improvement stores and even come in black. Be
careful not to get the ones with metal in them.>
Do I still need
airstones and air pump in the tank with the live rock or will the
surface motion from the filters and possible powerhead suffice??
<I
would avoid airstones because of the mess of salt creep. Even for fish
only, I would suggest at least 10x the tank volume in water movement.
This and a skimmer should provide plenty of gas exchange. With all of
the pumps running, you should see a good bit of surface agitation.>
In regards to a cleaning crew for the sand, do I need to add iodine to
the water mix or will the water changes replenish that for the
invertebrates? What kind of invertebrates would I need or would you
suggest???? I do want to keep the bristleworms and the white worms
populations in check.
<IMO, the only additives that are necessary
are calcium and alkalinity (even for fish only!) to keep the coralline
algae healthy and control other algae as well as stabilizing the pH. All
other elements will be replenished with regular water changes. I would
suggest a single sand sifting cucumber and maybe a couple of serpent
(smooth armed) stars. I would avoid sand sifting fish and "sand sifting"
stars, since these are both predatory on sand bed critters.>
I do not
have an RO unit. Hubby and I used to have one for the 55 gallon. We
wasted so much water with that system. To fill up a 20 gallon garbage
can, it would take 4 days with the water at full blast. The RO unit
wasted so much water and our bills were outrageous. They were over $250
a month. I don't think hubby would want another RO unit in the house..
<Yikes!!! Much more efficient RO units are available, and waste water
can be used for watering plants, laundry, etc. You may also consider a
DI unit which wastes no water. If you have public water, you can contact
your utility for a typical water analysis. As long as it is free (or
very low) in phosphate, copper and other metals, you should be able to
use it after simply dechlorinating it.>
What would I have to do to
maintain the tank? I know water changes and filter changes, but would I
have to vacuum the sand?
<Fine sand shouldn't be vacuumed. Too much
sand is sacrificed, and a good population of critters should keep it
very clean.>
As far as fish in the tank....I would like to have a
ocellaris clown, royal Gramma, 6 lined wrasse, (pygmy, Lemonpeel or
flame angel), and a goby or 2 for the 40 gallon. Is this bioload OK?
<Sounds great!>
I am also used to doing the fishless cycle method
with ammonia. Would I have to add ammonia with the live rock in the tank
for cycling?
<This is not necessary. Anything that dies on the live
rock will produce enough ammonia for the cycle. If you get cycled rock
locally, you may not see any significant cycle and can start adding fish
(slowly!) in about a week or so.>
Sorry for so many questions. I'm
sure you get the same questions day after day!!!! I just want to get
this right. I want to be able to enjoy the tank and not do much
maintenance on it on a weekly basis. If I missed anything, please
include it with your response. Thank you again for your help!!!!
Jennifer
<I am glad to help out! We are here because we want to see
you succeed too! Best Regards. AdamC.>
Safe Parameters
Dear: James (Salty Dog) <Hello>
Thank you so much for your speedy
reply & concern. The fish that were in the 10 gallon tank (now in
Q tanks) were a small mated pair of domino damsels & a small false
percula clown. I realize that a 10 gallon is WAY too small for these
fish, so I have set up a 55 gallon reef tank for them, for once they get
a clean bill of health. Do you think that 1 clown fish in a 10 gallon, 1
bubble tip & a small amount of soft coral (leathers for example) would
be pushing it?
<Not with adequate filtration. You should be fine. I
don't like to see anemones in tanks this small. Parameters can change
too fast. The leathers should be fine.>
. . As for the flower pot
coral, ....I bought it on the advice of the owner of my LFS, in fact I
bought 2. (Big Mistake) I am trying to care for these corals the best
that I can, (reef supplements, phytoplankton, good lighting, water flow,
etc). I have had them for 2 months, & they seem to be doing well despite
their difficult reputation. Any advice on their care would be
greatly appreciated.
<These corals always seem to start out nicely,
then, as time goes by they gradually decline in health. People that have
had luck with them have large understocked (fish) tanks and excellent
lighting. The Wet Web Media has plenty of info on the keeping of flower
pot corals. Do a Google search.>
Will lowering the salinity &
increasing the temperature be detrimental to the flower pot & bubble
tip?
<Just needs to be done gradually. James (Salty Dog)>
Mixing and Matching Methodologies - + 9 Questions
Dear Crew,
<Hi there! Scott F. here today!>
I have had saltwater fish for 3.5
years now. Startup has been difficult, I have had some real bad advice
from several LFS and well meaning friends. I have learned two things.
Everybody has an opinion, and it may not be correct, and also nothing
good ever happens quickly, even if it is for the betterment of the tank.
<Two truths that will serve you well in your hobby "career">
With
that being said, I do hope you folks can assist me on getting things on
the right track.
<We'll do our best!>
This is a wonderful WEB
site, and I have spent much time here trying to fix my own problems. I
have read so many of your answers to different problems, I feel I can
trust your opinions on all issues.
<Well, as we always advise our
readers, take any and all advice with a grain of salt and a healthy dose
of skepticism...In the end, you need to be comfortable with any advice
that you receive from anyone...Even us!>
I have several questions,
which I have not been able to find absolute answers for, or I am a
little confused. I will start by telling you the tale of my two
fish tanks.
My first tank is a 35g hex, and is 3.5 years old. It was
started as a "reef" tank with the following: 2" Aragalive coarse
substrate, 55 lbs live rock, Fluval 304 canister, Sea clone 100 skimmer,
Rio 600 and Rio 200 for added circulation. I had 1 BTA, two Clownfish,
one Cleaner Shrimp, one Blood Shrimp, 5 Turbo Snails, one black Brittle
Starfish, and two Damsels. I soon found that a 35 hex is not a good tank
to do a "reef" in.
I then purchased a 70g Clarity Plus "All in one
filter in the base stand" type of tank. I purchased it used for 200
bucks, and the previous owner did not have any luck with the tank
either. The past owner told me he never figured out "The Salt Thing".
The tank had three chambers in the base/sump. One for a DLS roll, and
one for Bioballs, and one for a return pump.
<Wow...straight out of
the eighties! DLS and bioballs are some of the few eighties phenomena
that I don't like...If not managed well, these materials can accumulate
nitrates and assist in deteriorating the good water quality that you're
aiming for..>
I wanted to move my BTA into this tank, with the other
reef critters from my 35g hex. It is a real pretty acrylic tank, and I
thought I would be able to work out the problems, without a problem! I
could figure out "That Salt Thing", and it would run fine, right? The It
wasn't working at all. The chemistry of the tank was always poor.
<IN
what way? Nitrate, ammonia, nitrite?>
I had two damsels in the tank
after 3 months, so I knew it wasn't a "Load" problem. So I slowly
removed the DLS roll, and Bioballs. Tried to make the tank a "Berlin
System" style tank.
<A better methodology than the plastic filter
media techniques...>
I added the following equipment: The built-in
corner overflow, which goes into the base sump with a Magdrive 950 to
return the water, a Berlin Turbo 250gph skimmer in the sump, 120 lbs of
live rock, 1-2" Fiji Pink sand, I don't know the size, with 25-30 lbs of
crushed coral and shell added to the substrate, a Rio1100, and a Rio 600
for added tank circulation.
I wanted to add my BTA to this tank. I
have for lighting a custom hood, which came with the tank, and I did a
retrofit kit of Icecap 660 ballast, 4 VHO URI 110 watt 48" tubes less
than 4" from top of tank. I have 2 super actinic and 2 white actinic
12,000 Kelvin bulbs.
<Good lighting system, but possibly a bit
inadequate for long-term success with the anemone in many
circumstances.>
The current animal load is as follows:
2 Banggai
Cardinal Fish, both 1.5"
1 Cleaner Shrimp
8 Turbo Snails
1
Derasa Clam 4-5" long
Some blue and red Mushroom Corals, about 4
square inches in the whole tank
1 Open Brain
Several pulsing Xenia
clusters.
Things were looking better, then I had some health
problems. I was unable to care for either tank for almost a year. I put
in food, added top-of water, and added iodine, calcium, buffers and top
off water. I was able to clean the protein skimmers once a week.
<Always a good move...>
I changed the charcoal three or four times.
<Activated carbon, right...?>
As bad as this sounds, I know you
probably want me executed for such neglect.
<Nah...I've seen a LOT
worse! And you had a valid reason!>
I tried to do what I could for
the tanks at the time, but none of my friends or husband know anything
about fish. I could only instruct them how to do the very basics for my
animals. I have to tell you all the embarrassing truth so you can
possibly help me to put things right.
<Not a problem...We all learn
from our mistakes (hopefully). Every one of us has learned from the
"school of hard knocks"! Your sharing hear on WWM will benefit others,
so no bad experience is ever wasted!>
When I was able, the first
thing I did was a water change for both tanks. I bumped the pump in the
35 hex, and it moved. The next day, my anemone, who had survived the
neglect, was sucked up into a Penguin pump I have since thrown away. The
anemone did not survive, I am sad to say.
<A real tragedy...sorry to
hear that.>
I will be moving both tanks to our new home in a few
weeks, and when I break them down one at a time, it would be a perfect
time to fix some of my past set up errors, and neglect issues. I have
read WWM tips on moving. When I move the tanks, I would like to place
all of the "reef critters" into the 70g tank, and in time, add another
BTA.
<Perhaps you should start with an inexpensive, hardy, and far
more abundant Condylactis anemone. Not as "sexy" as the BTA, but a much
better choice when you are starting out with cnidarians. You still need
to study up on their husbandry. All anemones are precious resources and
their care should not be taken lightly.>
With the 35 hex, I would
like to do a FOWLR tank, and keep 1 or 2 Fuzzy Dwarf Lionfish. I will be
purchasing a new protein skimmer for each tank, by Aqua-C, start
pre-mixing my water, I just purchased a 5 stage R/O system (I didn't do
this before, I just mixed water and salt just before use. I didn't know
any better:)
<Another good lesson learned...!>
I will buy the
Aqua-C Urchin Pro for my 70 g and the Aqua-C Remora Pro for the 35 hex.
1. Should I remove the substrate from the 70g? I mixed large chunky
stuff, and fine sand. I would like to do a DSB, should I just start from
scratch?
<I suppose I'd start from scratch at this juncture>
I do
have tubeworms and stuff in the substrate I have now, but could I
eliminate some of my nitrate problems here?
<A sand bed that is too
shallow may not provide full denitrification, and some more coarse
substrates can accumulate excessive detritus and degrade water quality.
It's definitely worth reading about sand bed methodology to get it right
the first time>
What size do you recommend, and what brand?
<I
like CaribSea "Aragamax Sugar Fine" sand.>
I can't just add substrate
on top of what I already have, correct?
<You could, but I'd prefer to
mix it, myself, if you are intent on keeping your existing substrate>
2. When your crew says coral and anemones don't mix due to
allelopathy, does this mean that I should find homes for the few corals
I do have?
<In smaller water volumes, the dangers posed by
allelopathy are very real. It is not advisable to mix corals and
stinging cnidarians in the same tank, especially one that is not huge,
IMO. Better to "specialize" in one type of animals or the other...>
Would a few of the mushrooms be that bad?
<A few, but you really need
to be on top of things in the water quality/husbandry department>
If
I run charcoal would it be better?
<You mean carbon, of course?
Activated carbon can help remove some organics and possible allelopathic
compounds.>
Does no corals mean like... none?
<Lots of hobbyists
mix; I just don't like the idea, myself. To me, it does mean "none". You
may need to go with your instincts on this one, but that's where I'm
coming from.>
Could I add some "plants" to the main aquarium, so it
doesn't look so bleak? Perhaps some Gracilaria or Chaetomorpha? Could
you suggest some nice looking stuff?
<You could, but these are
generally "free-floating" species and can make a mess if not contained.
Great macroalgae, but best suited for your sump or refugium, IMO. I'd
use Halimeda in a tank situation. It's beautiful and a good indicator of
your calcium level (they love calcium).>
3. What sort of
substrate for Lionfish, or just leave what I have alone?
<Not really
crucial, as long as it's kept relatively clean>
What how deep for
such heavy feeders? Can I add a "clean up crew"? What works with
Lionfish?
<You could, but I'd avoid any shrimp, which can become an
expensive snack for the Lions.>
I found "Not to Have" animals, like
shrimp, crabs and snails. What could I add?
<Maybe an Urchin or some
Brittle Stars.>
4. Do I have the correct Kelvin for clams and
anemones?
<Yes, but intensity is just as important for these animals.
I would feel better about your efforts to keep an anemone if you chose
metal halide as your light source. 10,000k is a good all-around spectrum
for the animals you're talking about.>
From the WEB site, it looked
like I had it all wrong. How would you suggest I correct this? 2 6500k
and 1 10,000, 1 8800k? What combination would you suggest?
<Personally, I'd stay with 10,000K>
I have a Derasa clam, and would
like to add a Squamosa and perhaps a Maxima to the top of the tank?
<If you can provide optimum lighting, calcium supplementation and water
quality...>
5. Is there anything else you might add/subtract
from these setups?
<I think that you're on the right track, but I
would carefully re-consider your animal combinations to avoid problems,
as we discussed previously.>
6. I purchased Rio pumps to
assist with the circulation, because the intake looked like it was
better, with a smaller grate on it. Are these good pumps to have with
anemones?
<Powerheads always present some degree of risk with animals
such as anemones, which do "wander">
If not would the Tunze be
better?
<I love Tunze Streams, but the same potential problems can
arise...Powerheads are potentially problematic with anemones.>
How
can I better protect my anemone from such havoc?
<I might be inclined
to recommend a closed loop or manifold setup for additional circulation
to avoid the problems presented by powerheads.>
7. With a
DSB, you do not recommend doing a 'gravel vacuum' when changing water on
the tank?
<I would not disturb anything but the top 1/2" or so in a
DSB, lest you disrupt the very processes that you are trying to
foster...>
How about a Lionfish tank? Vacuum, or not to vacuumed?
<I'd lightly vacuum the top layer of sand, as above...>
8. I
am going to try to find room and access to the back of my 70g tank, to
do a plenum in one of the sections.
<A plenum is designed to cover
the entire length of the tank's sandbed. Do read up on their proper
design, construction, and implementation if you intend to use one. There
is a very precise methodology to a plenum; if you don't follow the
prescribed techniques you will not have good results. Check up on plenum
advocate Bob Goeman's saltcorner.com web site for lots of information on
plenums.>
Do I have to add light? Can I just add Miracle Mud and live
rock?
<In a refugium, you could. It's all up to you. I would not do
too much "mixing and matching" of filtration methods. Sometimes, such
"fusions" of techniques don't always accomplish what we think they will;
in fact, they may function less efficiently than the methods that they
draw upon if used separately.>
I am afraid of the heat build up in
the base/sump area, and it is wet in there. Does this work without
light?
<Light is not always necessary for live rock in a refugium;
different creatures will populate it in different lighting situations.
The "Miracle Mud" technique depends on macroalgae growth, which means
that you will need a light...>
9. I have not purchased anymore
animals. I don't plan to, until I am able to work out these issues.
<Excellent>
If there is something animal or equipment change you
would recommend, please do so. I need welcome ideas for these tanks.
<Soo many different techniques to choose from. You really need to study
the various methodologies that are being used, and choose one that
appeals to you. Stick to it!>
I have read many books, by Tullock,
Wilkerson, Moe, Borneman, and Baensch. Times change, and so does
equipment and knowledge. It is difficult to stay current on new ideas
and such.
<That's the beauty of the internet, and of a site like
WWM...You should also check out the many discussion boards on the 'net,
such as WWM Chat Forum, reefcentral, etc., where you can mix and mingle
with many fellow hobbyists and compare notes and ideas...>
I would
like to thank you in advance for your time and reply to my letter. I
have had some really bad advice, but I am hoping that with your help, I
can be a better aquarium owner.
Robyn
<Thanks for the kind words,
Robyn. I guess my best advise is to keep doing what you're
doing...Research current techniques and follow one that you feel will
help you achieve your goals for the animals that you intend to keep. Arm
your self with knowledge, and proceed with your eyes wide open! As you
acknowledge, there is a lot of conflicting information out there. Do
your best to sort through it. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Problems with Refugium/Cyano
My refugium is starting to get a
scummy kind of reddish algae with bubbles on top of the water.
<<Cyanobacteria most likely.>>
I'm assuming its bad and wondering
how to get rid of it and stop it from returning. Thanks!
<<It's an eyesore for US, and it's a sign of an unhealthy system,
especially in regards to nutrient export/control. Put "Cyanobacteria"
and "marine algae", "nuisance algae" into the Google bar at top of our
home page. Glory in the VAST (and I do mean vast) results you will
find, follow all leads, then act. Marina>>
Algae in Fuge...
fighting BGA mixed in with Algae
My refugium is being taken over
by that red cotton candy algae, due to a bag of Chaeto I got from a
friend. The Chaeto had some of this algae in it, unknown to me until it
was too late. Lesson learned.
<Yes>
Now the red stuff is totally
interwoven within the strands of the Chaeto in my refugium. Since I am
not sure whether or not this algae can go sexual and spread into my main
tank, I took my refugium off line tonight, removed all of the Chaeto and
as much of the red cotton candy as possible. Then I introduced 10
Mexican turbo snails to finish the job. I have a Magnum 350 canister
filter running carbon and Polyfilter to provide water quality for the
snails and pods and worms in the sand. My refugium is a 55 gallon tank
with a 6 inch sandbed and maybe 20 pounds of live rock. There are no
fish in it, just snails, pods, worms, mini stars, etc. After the red
cotton candy algae is gone I will drain the refugium down to the sand
and replace 100% of the water above the sand.
<Okay...>
Question
1: Is the Magnum canister filter, along with the sandbed and live rock
enough to keep the water quality ok ?
<Likely so>
Question 2:
Should I keep the lights off to stave off the growth of the cotton candy
algae, or do I need to keep the lights on for some reason?
<Not
enough reason to leave on>
Question 3: What else have I forgotten to
do?
<Perhaps to consider that this "stuff" is actually a
Cyanobacteria... not likely to be consumed by the snails... more easily
defeated over time through competition, conditions that favor
Thallophytes. Bob Fenner>
Poor water
flow on new tank? 5/4/05
I checked the cycling and algae FAQs
and couldn't find my problem specifically answered. I have recently
cycled 30 lbs of Lalo live rock from DFS. My setup is as follows
20
gal AGA
Hagen Aquaclear 70 powerfilter - with a polypad (recent
addition), small amount of carbon and live rock rubble in the box
2
MaxiJet 400 powerheads
CPR BakPak 2R
1 55W blue , 1 55W 10000K
power compacts 10 hour photoperiod
Plan a 15% water changes every 2
weeks.
<Or more water... I do large weekly water changes in my small
reef aquarium>
I tanked the rock by itself and allowed it to fully
cure - approximately 3 weeks to zero ammonia, nitrite. I had an
enormous ammonia spike that lasted so long (2 weeks) that nitrites were
already on the decline when the ammonia hit zero. This even with
periodic 25% water changes throughout the cycle. I believe it may have
killed anything that was alive on arrival - as I have seen little
evidence of any worms or microfauna in the tank or substrate, plenty of
worm tubes but no worms. The coralline faded quite a bit but there is
still significant coverage in red, pink, purple and light green that I
hope will come back strong.
At the end of the cycle I did a 50%
water change and added approx 1.5 - 2 inches aragonite sand - half
oolitic, half slightly larger. Waited 1 week. I drip acclimated and
added 8 red hermits and 10 snails (Turbo, Astraea, Trochus). They are
keeping the rock and glass clean - but dropping enormous amounts of
excrement all over the sand and rock - do I need to be siphoning this
off regularly?
<Well.. sort of. Please do siphon it out when you see
it. But then again... if you can see it accumulating, it is a sign that
this tank has a serious deficiency in water flow. All such solids should
be kept in suspension for use by filter feeders, export by skimmers,
etc>
Approx 2 days after adding the cleanup crew - I noticed a slimy
substance covering nearly every plastic surface in the tank - in some
places 1/8" thick. A thinner layer on the back glass. It is mat like
and colorless and gelatinous - looks almost like mucous. The PolyFilter
pad was completely impregnated with it and my skimmer and powerfilter
were coated internally on all surfaces. No algae bloom yet, and water
parameters (below) look pretty good (if not perfect) to me. I cant
figure out what this mucous substance is. I believe that 1 snail may be
MIA - I haven't been able to find all 10 at one time, or all 8 hermits
for that matter. Could this be a factor?
<Its not likely... it
really sounds like a lack of adequate water flow overall>
I removed
all the components from the tank except the rock and substrate,
disassembled them and scrubbed them clean in freshwater -
<Yikes!
This did far more harm than good. The FW killed untold numbers of
desirable microorganisms>
practically to brand new, and performed a
25% water change. The material had to be physically removed by brush or
towel - simply spraying water on it did little. My water tests using
Seachem test kits are as follows:
SG 1.025 - Instant Ocean / Tap
water filter
78-80 deg F
Ph: 8.2
Alk: 4.0 meq/l
Calcium:
425
Ammonia/Nitrite/Nitrate: Undetectable
Phosphate: 0.05 mg/l
(had been dropping slowly since the addition of the polypad)
Silicates 4 mg/l (probably a bit high)
I use reef builder and reef
advantage calcium/reef calcium to maintain alk/calc and small doses of
reef plus for trace elements.
Its been 2 days - no sign of a major
return - but I'm wondering what it was, if I need to worry about it and
how to treat it if so.
<As with most all nuisance
organisms growths... control nutrients. Aggressive skimming, improved
water flow, bigger and more frequent water changes>
Also- can you
recommend a good sand sifter for a 20 gallon tank, I was considering
either a conch, small starfish or cucumber.
<a common serpent
starfish might be best>
Should I be dosing iodine to get the
coralline algae going- or will the calcium additions and water changes
suffice.
<For corallines... do use SeaChem's "reef calcium"... it
grows corallines like crazy!>
I plan to add a shrimp or two and
eventually keep mushrooms and soft corals, finally adding 1 - 3 small
fish (6-7 inches total) (goby, wrasse, Basslet) over the course of the
next 10 months. Let me know if this sounds properly stocked. Thanks for
a great resource.
<Thank you my friend! Anthony>
Detritus removal
Hey,
<Hey Joe>
I have a question about
the detritus buildup in my 55 gallon tank. As of now it is a FOWLR.
Later I want to add corals. The problem is that detritus is building up
on the sand bed. Any siphon I use that is powerful enough suck out
detritus also siphons out my sand. Is there another way to help remove
detritus?
<I use a siphon for detritus removal in my sand bed. You
really need to control the output by squeezing your fingers on the
tubing. Better to use a smaller one, there will be less suction. James
(Salty Dog)>
Thank You, Joe Lace
<You're welcome>
Help for
beginner with a few things
Hi Wet Web gurus :-)
<Melinda>
Thank you very much for your wonderful site, which I have spent a lot of
time reading (not to mention Bob Fenner's books). I am sure to spend
hours more here in future!
<Welcome>
As I am a complete marine
beginner (after caring for freshies for years), I have a few, rather
pathetic questions, which I'm sure I've read the answer to a billion
times on this site, but just need someone to tell me one more time. My
set-up is:
200 litres (55 gallons)
Approx 30 kg.s live rock (I
think that's what...60-70 lbs?)
<Yes... about 2.2 pounds per kilo>
2" crushed shell and coral substrate
AquaC Remora skimmer
w/PondMaster 1200 pump
Eheim pro series III canister filter
2 x
Tronic 150 watt heaters
Lighting - 3 white fluorescent bulbs and 1
blue actinic (sorry, can't remember the spectrum but it was rated for
reef tanks).
My tank is planned for seahorses, but at present is
still cycling (LR went in last Saturday 4/16/05). Water parameters are
Ammonia 0.0 - 0.05, nitrites 0.1, nitrates - 20, pH 8.3, SG 1022, KH 3.
I mixed the water using tap water, which measured 5 when I tested it for
PO4, so I've added Anti-Phos to the canister, and
it's now reading 0.0. I have a slight diatom bloom, which (I presume) is
as a result of the initial PO4 and the higher
nitrates as the tank cycles?
<Yes... a common occurrence>
I've
heard such blooms called "new tank syndrome" and have been told to just
wait it out, as it will dissipate as the Nitrate levels fall. Is that
correct?
<Yes>
Or should I try to suck it up with the siphon?
<You can stir it... with a net handle or dowel... or siphon some out...
but largely patience is called for here>
I don't think silicates are
a problem (unless they're in the tap water - but I don't know how to
test for this).
<There are test kits, but silicate is not often a
real problem>
Sorry, I know this email is getting longer and longer,
but if you wouldn't mind still reading, I'd be really grateful!
<Sure>
I have noticed some little glass anemones on the live rock
(yay) and think they're Aiptasia, but can't find any pics that look like
them on this site.
<Try the Google search tool on the WWM homepage...
using this name and Anemonia>
Two have long, clear spiky-tipped
tentacles (maybe 8 each), and two have fat, short tentacles with pink,
bubble tips. I can't really take pics, because they're in awkward
places, and still only very small (about ¼" diameter atm...sorry, trying
to guess at US measurements). I am going to try the revered peppermint
shrimp on them and see what happens. Will the anemones harm the
seahorses if the shrimp don't eat them?
<Could, yes... I would take
steps to remove them once the tank is fully cycled>
My next question
is regarding cycling. I know my tank has not yet cycled fully - or at
least, to my satisfaction, because I haven't had steady readings for any
length of time yet. However, some people are telling me to "help the
process along" by adding ammonia (or equivalent "cycle-stuff") to the
water - and some say leave things be. I tend to lean towards leaving
things to run their course. What do you recommend? If I add ammonia -
won't it harm the bacteria already on the LR, not to mention the cool LR
hitchhikers that are now exploring my tank?
<Ammonia can be added but
it is really almost always better in circumstances like yours... tank
size, using LR, to just wait>
Finally, can you please advise (with
the albeit limited information I've given you) if the water flow I have
would be sufficient to introduce a few seahorse-safe corals to the tank
as well?
<Yes... once the system is thoroughly established>
I am
interested in star polyps or xenia. I know corals and horses are almost
mutually exclusive, because of the water-flow problems, but I also know
that quite a few people manage it. I'd like to try to be one of them!
<I encourage you to do so>
Thank you very much for any help or advice
that you can give me. I look forward to exploring more of the great
resource that is WetWebMedia
Melinda
<Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Dark Brown Algae
Hey guys! Congratulations on a great job on your
site. Let me start off by saying that I try to research as much as I can
on your site and others but I only have access to the internet while I'm
at work so it is very limited. I have recently attempted to join the
world of reef keeping with the purchase of a 24 gallon minibow tank.
After years of successfully keeping saltwater fish only tanks I decided
to give corals a shot. I've been running this 24 G tank since March of
this year with a couple of damsels in it and a 3-4" bed of live sand. I
have slowly added 40lbs of live rock to the system.
About two weeks
ago I added a clown fish and a royal Gramma that appear to be doing
well, I took the damsels back to my LFS. At that time I also introduced
a patch of green star polyps about 3"x6" in length that appear to be
doing well. About a week ago I added a feather duster too and it also
appears to be doing well.
As for my set up as I mentioned it is a
24G minibow with 2 65W power compacts, a maxi jet power head that pumps
about 260 gph and a overhead drip filter in the cover of the aquarium
with a power head that pumps about 200gph filled with LR rubble and back
in to the aquarium. I was using a sponge like filter media spread out
over the LR rubble in the filter but after researching information on my
feather duster I decided to take that out to leave more particles in my
water for the feather duster to consume. Was this a good idea or not?
Everything appeared to be doing great, fish were looking healthy then
this past Friday I went to my LFS and bought a Anemone and that's where
my terror starts.
The Anemone didn't make it past the first night for
it got cough in my filter power head as it tried to move along the glass
and just got chopped in to pieces. I actually heard it happen and woke
up at about 2am this Saturday morning and seen that my water was very
cloudy almost milky then I discovered the Anemone. I removed the dead
anemone and when I woke up in the morning I immediately changed 10
gallons of water then another 5 gallons just yesterday. I had ordered
colony of Zoo's, a couple of frags along with some mushrooms. I added
them shortly after my last water change yesterday.
Oh yeah and I
also have one turbo snail in there that does a good job cleaning up the
algae on my LR. Well my problem started last night when I noticed a
patch of dark brown algae with tiny bubbles all over it, I shook it up
with I later read on your site that was a bad idea but it quickly came
back. It is not like the red/brown/green I have seen in my tank in the
past on my LR or on my glass. This is a thicker darker algae with a lot
of tiny air bubbles all over it, over my sand in a area in my tank with
low water movement.
I do not test my water on my own but have my LFS
do it weekly or biweekly and have been told it is good. What can I do to
get rid of it, is it harmful? What else would you suggest to add to my
tank as a "cleaning crew" and would that help with this specific
problem? Does this have anything to do with that Anemone? And last,
should I do another water
change? Thanks, I will be taking my water
to LFS tonight to see what they can tell me, it just seems like a lot of
these stores tell you conflicting advice and ultimately just want your
$$$$.
<Jimmy, sounds to me like you are having a hydrogen sulfide
buildup due to the dead anemone. Dead anemones, especially in mini reefs
create problems galore. I suggest getting one unit of Chemi-Pure or a
good grade of carbon and run that for a few weeks. James (Salty Dog)>