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Naso Tang hole like symptoms on head.       7/19/16
I have being in the hobby for more than 20 years, and now I have run into this problem which I have never seen before. I wonder if you can help me diagnose what is going on here. I have search the internet where I found a discussion but nothing much said as the folks didn't seem to know either.
The owner of that fish reported that the fish was swimming and eating well but it died a few weeks later. The information was from 2003.
<I see>
I have this Naso tang in my QT tank I purchase the fish about 5 weeks ago.
The last 3 weeks I have notice these holds <holes> showing up. They seem to calcify
turn white in appearance and then they return, first red and then how you see them in the picture. The fish is eating well Pellets (Spectrum Thera A+), Rods Original Blend, Romaine Lettuce.
<I'd skip this last... no nutritional value and way too often a load of nitrate and... please do read re Naso lituratus foods, feeding on WWM>
The tank is 55 gal. The parameters are all fine. I have a flame angel and a purple tang along with her and they all get along. The flame and the purple are doing fine no symptoms.
Thanks for looking into this
<All on one side.... Am going with this being a mechanical injury... healing from a trauma. I would not allow this to dissuade my placing this fish in the main/display. Should heal in time. Bob Fenner>

Re: Naso Tang hole like symptoms on head.       7/19/16
Thank you for the quick reply. So you do not think is some kind of bacteria or parasite. She also shows some signs on her other side but not as pronounce. Also see forehead. check this picture.
Thanks again.
<Read through here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nasodisfaqs.htm
and all the FAQs files above. B>

Juvenile Naso tang - hiding and not eating         7/15/16
Hi! I need your advice (tank size 120g including sump, 5ft long,
<See WWM re Naso lituratus... needs more room than this>

ammonia 0, nitrate 7, phosphate 0-ish) (fish : 3 small Bartlett Anthias, 4 small Chromis, 4 inch blue tang, 4 inch yellow tang, 5 inch blue throat trigger, midas blenny) I just received a juvenile Naso Tang from DD two days ago. Upon arrival (day one) he was swimming about and even ate couple of NPS <NLS likely> pellets - he was chased a few time by the yellow tang and but he seemed OK. Day 2 - was spent hiding in a cave and not accepting any food. Day 3 he was swimming about in morning low lights and there was no fighting but as the lights increase he retreated back to the cave - again accepted no food. I tried NPS 1mm and larger, Nori dipped in garlic, mysis shrimp, lettuce all target fed. Finally tried to some arctic pods (target feeding with turkey baster) - I think he ate some as much as I could see in the cave. I still think he is scared of the yellow tang. I decided to try to put him in a social acclimation box to decrease aggression
<Mmm; no. Put the Yellow tang in there instead... to give the Naso time to get established>

and also try to feeding him something!
<See WWM re... Phaeophytes are preferred>
I have successfully got him in social acclimation, the yellow tang still charges but stops half way. Do you think I am on the right track with isolation in acclimation box?
<No; I know you're not>
How many days can they go without food?
<Several; depending on how well-fleshed to start>
I like the nano tang a lot - do you think I would have to get rid of the yellow tang?
<Not likely; no>
I am afraid even if I can get the Naso Tang to eat once he goes back in the tank he would be harassed and stressed out again. Thank you advance for your response.
<The reading for now... Bob Fenner>
Re: Juvenile Naso tang - hiding and not eating       7/16/16

Thank you very much for you advice. The yellow tang is tough to catch.
<Yes; two nets... and maybe a friend with two more!>
I put a egg-crate separator in the main DP tank and put the Naso Tang back in the tank. This way he can settle down and not be bothered by the Yellow Tang. I am hoping reducing the stress will help with eating.
<It should; yes. Tangs are VERY starved in the process of collection, holding and shipping... Often don't eat for some time>
Now he lives on his own side of the tank with a small blue tang who is mellow. I am putting some Nori on a few rocks and will be getting some live red Gracilaria on Tuesday.
<Look for Browns per the reading....>
Hopefully by then things would have calmed down a bit and he would eat.
Again thank you for your help.
<Welcome! BobF>
Re: Juvenile Naso tang - hiding and not eating        7/18/16

Hi Bob - thank you for sharing your experience. Unfortunately the Naso Tang didn't make it.
<Ahh; do see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nasolsel.htm
re criteria in selection>
He was lying no the sand in the rock work for couple of days with very little movement so never got the chance to eat. She was a small
so I think the stress of travel was too much for her - I got the fish from DD and I am sure that he was eating while in their care. Just wanted to give you an update. Again thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Best, Reza
<Thank you, Bob Fenner>

Blonde Naso injured     8/7/14
Hello guys, thank you for the great website! I need Your help, I have an 8foot long 350g system with
Some community fish. My very long time resident Of 5 years a male blonde Naso about 10 inches
Has a nasty scrape on his left side that looks
Like he ran into some live rock.
<Agreed... a mechanical injury... that appears infected, and getting worse>
Now it won't eat
Still swims fine, but I'm very concerned. This guys
Has been with me a long time. Water is perfect and
Could really use some advice
<I'd be trying an antibiotic immersion bath... a few tens of minutes...
system water, diluted with freshwater a few thousandths of spg (to aid absorption)... Furan compound/s... Nitrofurazone my choice... two nets and help to catch... WATCH your hands, arms around this fish... haste makes waste and possible nasty gash/es. See Ed Noga's works, WWM for more; or write back.
Bob Fenner>

Naso Tang discoloration, loss     1/28/14
Good Morning Mr. Fenner :)
How are You?
<Fine; thank you>
Long time since I wrote to you.
I have two questions.
First one - in annex i send photo Naso tang with some strange white spot on her belly. What is this?
<Either natural coloration (a lack thereof), or evidence of some sort/s of stress.>
Some bacteria, parasite or maybe something else.
<Something else; not pathogenic. Time going by, good conditions, nutrition will find this area coloring up>
This is not the first fish who looks like this.
I do not understand, swims 2 months or longer and on the next day he died and it looks like the picture.
Can You tell what it is?
<Again: "Stress"...  something, perhaps some one in the system bothering it... Could it have been stung by a Cnidarian/"Coral"?>
Second question is,  can You tell me how distinguish sex in the  Moorish Idol ?
<Only when I see them in pairs or groups... males are slightly larger, more pointed unpaired fins... Otherwise; just looking at individuals, or immature specimens... could be either>
I would like to keep them in pairs.
<Not easily done; but then again; not impossible. Look for "Coral" magazine in what language/s you understand best (Deutschen, Italiano, English) for some very nice articles written on Zanclus husbandry a few years back>
Thanks my Friend for the advice.
<Cheers, Bob Fenner> 


Asymmetric white streaks on new blonde Naso.    2/6/13
Hi WWM crew,
   I purchased an apparently healthy blonde Naso one week ago.  After a few days in hiding in the QT
<Shouldn't hide... but need large volumes... likely damaged itself>
 he comes out to eat Mysis, Nori, and gel food.  Yesterday I noticed some white streaking on his left side.   I am somewhat sure that it is not stress markings, due to the asymmetry of the marks, although I have also noticed some stress marking at times as well.  I tried to take some photos which I have attached.  Although they are a bit blurry (tangs swim fast!)
the markings can be made out in the photos. They are not raised, as far as I can tell.
   I have checked out the disease sections on your site, and I cannot determine what this might be.  Any ideas?  Does this fish require treatment of some sort?
  Thank you for your help!
<No treatment, as injuries are the cause here and med.s will only compromise water quality. I'd move this fish dip/bathing it, to the main/display tank. See WWM re dips/baths. Bob Fenner>

Black mark on Naso tang?
Hello crew!
<Hi there Terry>
I have a Naso tang which has a mark on his side which looks like a permanent marker,
<Good description>
I know it is not Paravortex, and none of my other fish have any spots, tank pars are normal, it is a 150 FOWLR. I was wondering if it may be from being stung by the Foxface?
<Mmm, not likely this sort of mark...>
He seems normal, and eating well but if this is a disease I would like to get a jump start on it, this is the best pic. I could get.
Thanks in advance,
<Have seen these sort of blems many times... Are bruises of sorts... usually clear themselves up over weeks to month's time. No "treatment" suggested other than good care. Cheers, Bob Fenner>

Blonde Naso Tang - ill/mouth  7/5/09
Good evening & Happy 4th of July,
<Now the morrow of the 6th... glad I stayed home with the dogs>
I just upgraded my tank to a 150 gallon Elos XL120 tank... plenty of live rock and coral.
I bought a Blonde Naso Tang... he had only been at the LFS for 24hr when I bought him.
<Mmm... two sides to an/the argument whether to leave such fishes/species longer or no>
It's been 36hr since I got him home, and he hides under a rock,
<Bad behavior>
is breathing quickly and today has developed a white fungus-like material around his mouth.
<I see this in your pic>
I've searched Google and your site for help... any advice would be much appreciated. I've also included a photo.
<Either has been "running" (more like swimming) into rock, the aquarium sides... or something is brutalizing it in your system... We could/might bandy back and forth re what else is in your system, water quality,
history... but instead; read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/nasoldis.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Re: Blonde Naso Tang - ill/mouth  - 7/6/09
Hey Bob,
Thanks so much for your quick response.
<Certainly welcome>
The water parameters are all in great shape. The Blonde Naso is one of the first fish I added to the tank. All of the other fish are doing great and nobody has been terrorizing him at all. Mostly I just have peaceful wrasses in with him. Once I added him to the tank he instantly hid behind a rock and has pretty much stayed back there.
<Mmm, frightened perhaps>
I called the LFS and they were very defensive about the condition of the fish, saying the white stuff wasn't around his mouth when they sold him to me.
<Likely not, but... why be defensive?>
But, it developed almost instantly and they had only had him 24 hours. Right now I'm just interested in saving this poor fish as he hasn't eaten in 3 days and doesn't look well. I've been dosing all food with garlic hoping this might help his appetite. Can you think of any treatments I should try? Maybe PraziPro?
Thanks again!
<I would NOT treat this fish with "medicine/s"... What temperature is the water? What nitrogenous waste levels present? What re dissolved oxygen and ways to increase it? Do you have another established system of size you could move this fish to? I will stand by my previous speculation and say it likely "bumped" into something/s... and the "owees" on its face are resultant, leading to the poor behavior (is the tank area very dark at night?)... BobF>

Re: Blonde Naso Tang - ill/mouth  - 7/7/09
Wow, 2 responses from you. Wonderful! And thank you.
Unfortunately my old tank is no longer around to transfer the Blond Naso to. All of the rock in my new tank has been established for years and I've yet to lose a fish (I bet you hear that all the time. hah).
Temperature is a solid 78-79 degrees. Nitrates are <5. The ORP is usually between 275-300.
<A bit low, but fine>
The tank is dark at night--I don't have a moonlight.
<Mmm, is it "so" dark... from there being no other light in the surrounding outside room that the fishes might be inclined to dash into the rock? The markings on the face of the fish look so much like damage from such, or a
bristle worm>
Seems like your bump theory is a good one. I've never really considered the moonlight anything but a way to watch the fish at night--so it's interesting (and obvious) to think it could actually help them see as well. Duh. I definitely won't treat the tang with any medicines per your advice. Looks like I'll just have to wait it out, huh? I bought the fish on Friday and it's now Monday night and he still isn't eating.
<Try some brown algal food, perhaps Spectrum pellets>
Luckily he looks a bit chubby, so hopefully he can hold out a bit longer. I bought him and 2 other tangs at once to
introduce them together.
<Oh!? What other species?>
I know tangs generally are less aggressive with each other when introduced that way. If this Blond Naso doesn't
make it, would it be a bad idea to introduce a new one immediately after in hopes of limiting the territorial stuff Tangs do?
<Not likely a good idea; unless this system were much larger... Hundreds of gallons>
Thanks x1,000,000
<Welcome in kind. BobF>

Re: Blonde Naso Tang - ill/mouth  7/8/09
Yes, the tank is so dark that there really isn't any other light seeping in. My old tank has a moonlight, but never really thought about adding one to this new setup.
<I would at least have "some" light outside the tank on during the time/s when the lights are all out on the inside>
The other tangs I added with him were a Powder Blue and a Yellow Tang. All were introduced together and I've yet to see any hostility between any of them.
<Not always obvious...>
I've been putting seaweed in dipped in garlic and the other two fish are eating it like crazy. Unfortunately the Naso doesn't seem interested in the slightest.
Thanks again! You're a life saver.
<Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/nasolfdg.htm
and the linked files above. BobF>

Naso Problems!!!!!   9/19/08 I have just received a Naso Tang in yesterday and noticed after I had placed him in the QT this fungus "I am guessing" on the side of the fish. <Mmm, no, not really> What do you think it is and what would be the best course of action. Should I do a freshwater dip with Methylene Blue, Formalin-3, or ParaGuard. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Brad <This is almost assuredly "shipping/collecting damage"... As this specimen looks to be in good shape otherwise, I'd leave it as is to heal... can be quite quick to do so... a few weeks. Bob Fenner>

Re: sick tang Hello! <Hi there> Our Naso Tang has not been acting like himself the last couple of days.  He does not beg for food, or come up to the front of the tank when we come in the room.  He has not been very active, as well.  Today I noticed a discoloration on his tail juncture (where the tail spines(?) are located).  The only way I can think to describe it is that it looks like someone spilled ink on the spot. <Agree with your apt description> I've attached 2 pictures - they are not very good, but hope that it will help you in diagnosing the problem.  My first instinct tells me to put him in the quarantine tank with antibiotics - agree? <Actually... I would leave this fish where it is (in the main/display tank) and boost its immune system via food (vitamin, HUFA soaking). Bob Fenner> Thanks is advance!

Naso Tang with cloudy eyes (more: antibiotic use) Hello all, I have a customer with a Naso Tang that has stopped feeding and has cloudy eyes. All of their water parameters look good and this particular customer is very diligent in maintenance and feeding. I have never experienced this type of problem and honestly have rarely had to use antibiotics with any saltwater fish so I would be very appreciative if you could recommend any antibiotic or other course of treatment. <May well be that this animal (especially if it is the only one thus affected in the system) just mechanically injured itself (ran into the sides, rock)... this happens with Naso tang species (need room)... and that there is no specific treatment advised, advisable... other than good maintenance practices, self-healing> Also, if you could recommend particular antibiotics for treatment of various "common" bacterial type infections in saltwater fish I would be grateful.  <There are none. Most all infectious diseases of ornamental aquatics are secondary, tertiary... opportunistic due to deficiencies in water quality, nutrition, battering by tankmates, the odd genetic anomaly... some antimicrobials like Furan compounds are efficacious as adjuncts to improving ones chances in improving conditions overall... in some cases dips/baths, feeding, injection (intramuscularly mainly) of antibiotics is something to be suggested... but the cases are few, specific> In my years of keeping saltwater fish both as a hobbyist and now an LFS owner I really can't recall needing to use antibiotics so I feel a bit inept when asked how to treat these types of problems. <Oh, agreed. This has been my experience, recollection as well. Bob Fenner> Thanks, Richard
Re: Naso Tang with cloudy eyes (marine antibiotic use)
Thank you for the info. This is essentially what I have been advising so I'll stick to it. <Me too... have never experienced definitive proof of antibiotic benefits on a consistent basis... and recent works (e.g. Ed Noga, and I spoke w/ him re at MACNA XIII re)... other than expensive broodstock, and mainly trauma (as in spawning) incidents, direct injection... am of the opinion that such compounds mainly do "good" by modifying water chemistry (e.g. tetracycline hydrochloride lowering pH), perhaps reducing TBC's (total bacteria counts)...> For whatever reason some customers seem to go on the defensive at the suggestion that they have water quality issues and are intent on buying something that will magically fix their problems. <Bingo! Part of the/our "western ethic"... trained by Madison Ave. to "buy something"... perhaps we can, should sell "sugar pills"... oh, Weiss has beat us to the punch...> The typical response is "I know my water is fine because it's perfectly clear" <To which I typically respond "so is vinegar"> or the best one yet "I know it's not my water because I only use Ozarka and it's the best". Ah well, sometimes there isn't much you can say. <Be yourself, state what you believe, know, simply. Ask questions like "what if you used distilled water" or only drank such yourself... ways to introduce, induce more open-mindedness. Reciprocally, maybe you're ready, in need of a holiday? Bob Fenner> Thanks again, Richard

Cause for alarm? (Naso Tang) Hello Bob (or whoever is filling the shoes today), About 2-1/2 weeks ago, I moved a Blond Naso into my main tank. After about 5 minutes, the Tang started darting around the tank (lights off) and smashing into rocks and the glass.  <Not atypical behavior> After about 45 seconds of this, he settled down, and hid in the darkest corner he could find. He would venture out every now and then, sampling the live rock, and all else appeared well. The following day, the Tang had developed several white "scratches" about 1mm wide and 4-5mm in length, all running horizontal. I had pretty much attributed this to the "run-ins" it most likely had with the various rocks in the tank. <Agreed> The scratches worsened over the next 3 days, covering the lower and rear third of its body, and he started to refuse food. None of the scratches appeared to be open wounds, thankfully. Not noticing any obvious external parasites, I played the waiting game, and ordered some Tang Heaven from the folks at IPSF, to coax the Tang into eating again. After 3 days of not eating, the Tang began to sample the Tang Heaven, but only consuming some. His stomach started to fill-in again, which I took as a sign of improvement. The whitish scratches began to fade, as well as about another third of his body, and the Tang took on a very light whitish-gray color. I started to worry about the possibility of an outbreak of velvet, but chose instead to "wait and see". No further external signs presented themselves over the next few days. Today, a week after the introduction of the Tang Heaven, he has started accepting Selcon-soaked flaked Spirulina again, and constantly grazes on the Tang Heaven, live rock, snails, etc. I am taking this as a good sign, but I am not convinced of being 100% out of the woods yet. None of the other inhabitants show any visibly noticeable signs, and are acting as they always have. I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for anything I have overlooked. Obviously, I refuse to induce any unwarranted stress on the Tang, but I would hate to lose him to something I might have overlooked. (Picture attached) And now, for the ever important tank information: 190 gallon, 2x99 DAS filtration units with skimmers. (Changing over to sump and EuroReef within 2 months). pH 8.3, Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 5ppm, Phosphates <.2, Alk 10, Temp 80F. 1100gph and 700gph powerheads for water movement, coupled with the DAS return pumps (2000L/hr each). 15 gallon water change weekly, plus top-off. Lighting 2X400W 12000K MH (8 hrs/day) supplemented with 2 NO Actinics (10 hr/day). Kalkwasser drip to maintain Calcium around 400. 100 pounds live rock (more on the way soon), 40 pounds aragonite, 120 pounds live sand (more on the way soon, as well). Other Tank Inhabitants: 1 Chocolate Ocellaris, 1 Red-Lip Blenny, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Dragon Goby, 1 Scooter Blenny, 2 Engineer Gobies, 2 Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Peppermint Shrimp, 2 Sand Sifting Stars, 3 Brittle Stars, 2 Anemone crabs with appear to have hosted with the 2 flame scallops, 3 Sally Lightfoots, and 4 emerald crabs who "live" underneath a long tentacle anemone (fed a whole shrimp twice weekly), 3 dozen assorted snails, a half dozen scarlet reef hermits, as well as (I know you won't like these) a cucumber, and a long-spine purple urchin. There, I think that's everyone. Corals: 3 varieties of mushrooms (identifying), anthelia polyps, another polyp I am trying to identify, as they are overtaking one of the rocks, a coral elegance, a green brain, and a Porites covered in Xmas tree worms. Feeding done with DTs every other day, coupled with Coral Heaven for spot-feeding. Thanks again for your assistance, not only for me, but for all of us in the hobby!-Jim I neglected to include one parameter in my last email:  Salinity:  1.025 -Jim <Thank you for this detailed report of your success. Your being patient, observant and pro-active in your food offerings has saved your Tang. Bob Fenner>

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