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A Condylactis Anemone stinging the bejeesus out of a stony coral (Montastreat cavernosa, Faviidae)  in Cozumel 2011.

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Doing what it takes to keep Anemones healthy long-term

by Robert (Bob) Fenner

Condylactis sp. anemone, comp. mostly      1/30/13
I would have posted this as a question on your site, but I couldn't figure out how.  Please feel free to post it.
<Mmm, this is how, the only way to "post" on WWM>
I have a very old, established 65 gal high tank in a window that gets morning sun with a 40 watt aquarium fluorescent light, lots of coral, with assorted damsels (blue, yellow, velvet, barred, and domino) ranging from 1-8", two pajama Cardinalfish, and two clowns, one is percula the other may be ocellaris or percula.  The fish get along. I monitor pH occasionally, clean the bottom monthly or so, and replace 10 gals of water every three months.
<See WWM re such change-outs... I'd do some every week; not every three months>
The tank has been healthy for a decade since my heater broke and cooked everything and an overheating incident due to sun in a heat wave.
The newest fish are two domino damsels,
<Dascyllus trimaculatus... a poor choice... very aggressive species>
one from about the time I got the anemone.
I got a Condylactis anemone on a lark (I try to avoid such things, but Petco assured me it was captive bred
<... no>
 like the damsel I got at the same time). 

The Condylactis climbed high on a piece of coral, presumably phototropism. The anemone has thrived for nearly a month and all fish present are healthy.
I was afraid the Condylactis would kill something even though the Petco manager told me it probably wouldn't.  Other than the two small dominos, which keep to a piece of coral in the center of the tank, I think for territorial reasons, the fish hover around the Condylactis, but none has been stung.  The clownfish hover at a small distance.
I feed the fish over the anemone, which gets a few tidbits, and I have fed the anemone directly about once a week with a homemade mix of brine shrimp, chopped shrimp, lobster, scallop, squid, and whatever else I have from the fish market that has been frozen for more than a month or two.  I add a healthy squeeze of a good supplement (yellow bottle) before re-freezing.  I feed that every day or two and flake, dried shrimp, and dried bloodworms, and mixed seaweed every day.  I also give them dried mealworms (crushed) once every day or so for the calories.
I am curious about this behavior and wonder if you can explain why the fish seem to be attracted to the anemone but don't get stung.
<... their nature, capacity. Search WWM re>
 I suppose the clownfish don't commensalize with it because they are from a different part of the world.
<They'll associate w/ one made of rubber bands...>
Have you any tips to help keep the Condylactis from hurting any fish?
<Keep it elsewhere; w/ life from the tropical West Atlantic>
I use a slime protector occasionally (much less often than the bottle recommends).  I don't know if that may be helping.
Thanks for your interesting site.  My Condylactis is the one on top of your Condylactis page but bigger (base currently 4" across): Tiny purple tips on 2-4" white tentacles with a bright orange base.  It seems to have grown almost an inch already, but it's hard to be sure with such a squishy creature.
Thanks again
<Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Re: Condylactis sp. anemone   1/31/13

Thanks, Bob
<Welcome Peter>
I have been keeping marine aquaria since 1974, and I had no idea how active the online community is until I checked into this Condylactis issue.
Thank you for your time.  I plan to explore your site in more depth and will report back with any observations or questions as appropriate.
<Thank you>
I was astonished to learn that this coelenterate is the equivalent of four fish in water cleaning; I very rarely touch the water, but I will keep a close eye on changes in water quality, as you suggested.
I checked with petco.com.  Their website has a chart showing "anemones" are generally compatible with clowns, various damsels, and cardinals (not specified which types), but including a rather broad disclaimer.  I spoke to the store manager where I bought the anemone, and he said he had never seen a Condylactis sting any of the fish he keeps with it, including those in my tank, and added it would be crazy for him to put his livestock in jeopardy.
<He is incorrect. And BTW, am a very olde timer in the hobby and trade. I worked as the consultant, then buyer for PetCo 91-94 in starting their aquatics/livestock program>
He said Petco does sell only captive bred clowns and damsels for ecological reasons.
<... also not accurate. Most clowns/Amphiprionines are captive produced in the US, but almost no non-clown Damsels. The species, specimens they sell of this latter are doubtless wild-collected>
 He wasn't sure but didn't think the anemone was captive bred.
<It is not, assuredly. Now the genus (actually just one species) is outlawed for collection in FLA>
 He added that all their fish are held in Florida for acclimation.
<... All? Not>
 It wasn't clear whether the holding location belongs to Petco.
<... were there time/interest I'd relate my efforts that are pertinent here. Suffice it to state that they/PetCo may purchase their Clowns from Ft. Pierce/ORA, but they don't do any quarantining period themselves>
I told him I shared the ecological concern but also prefer captive bred fish because I had believed they are less likely to bring a disease into my tank.
<You are correct>
 It was not clear to me that the captive bred fish are kept separate at the holding facility, so I may have false hope in that department.  This manager does segregate his captive bred fish, although in other stores I have seen them mixed in with fish I am fairly sure are feral in origin.
<... and likely all catch gear (nets, specimen containers) is mixed. To their (and all stores') credit, each outlet is only as "good" as the staff and practices of their individual staff>
He offered me a store credit if I decide to return it; it's a $7 item, and the main reason I would return it is not to kill it.  It is quite beautiful.
<Ay yes>
With all the info available, I was unsure what to do.  The Condylactis seems quite happy where it is, atop a piece of coral near the light.
Also, because it is attached to a piece of coral,  I am disinclined to remove it now due to the possibility I'd kill it inadvertently.
<It may well sting, even consume your fish, even other invertebrate life...
Some Condylactis are known to live w/o doing so (for years) in captive settings... Even Clowns are recorded as using them as hosts>
If it starts migrating or kills a fish, I will dislodge it and take it back.  I learned that the Condylactis does not tolerate temperatures above 80F.  Since my aquarium is in a room that is not air conditioned, even if I shut the shade, in summer the temperature gets into the high 80's.  Because of that, even if there are no incidents, I plan to take it back when summer comes.
Thanks again for your time and consideration.
<Thank you for your further sharing. Robert (Bob) Fenner>

I'm trying to contact Bob Fenner. I'm the guy from nyc with the Condylactis   3/4/13
gigantea issue a month or so ago.  I want to engage with him again on the same topic with some interesting corollaries.  Thanks.
<Am here Peter. What's up? BobF>
Peter Ross, Ph.D.
Re: Condylactis...    3/5/13

hi bob.  I hope you're well.
I took back the Haitian Condylactis for my $7 credit.
My main reasons were
1) It started to move down from its perch atop a piece of coral where it had stationed itself for three weeks.
<Wandering behavior>
2)  In summer, my aquarium gets to 90F because my living room is not air conditioned.  As I understand it, Condylactis doesn't survive above 82F.
<Not well, no>
I explained to the PetCo guy what you told me when I returned the anemone.
Today, I visited the store and found six tanks with Haitian Condylactis, several of which had established relationships with fish or crustaceans.
The commensals were: a tomato clown, a sergeant major damsel, and a peppermint shrimp.
I saw various fish swim by and touch the tentacles, though not the tips (I saw one of my pajama cardinals bite the tip of one of Condy's tentacles without reaction).
I don't understand the biology of this.  What moves the anemone to sting?
<Chemical and physical cues... some are not "up to snuff" to do much stinging after a while in captivity; and there are known pairings (developed over time) twixt Condys and Amphiprionines. You can search these on WWM. BobF>
Subject: Re:... Condylactis   3/5/13

I think my Condylactis (when I had it) stung a domino in my tank.  Dominos tend to defend their territory prominently. 
<Oh yes>
This was the larger of the two, and it vanished.  I was wondering if the anemone had eaten it.
 I found it hiding with a watchman goby under a shell.  It eventually came back out.  But, I saw a cardinal bite the tip of a tentacle without effect.
For animals without a brain, these are really interesting.
<Ah yes. B>

Anemones/Systems 12/4/12
<Hello Sarrah>
I have a 46 gallon bow front running a Whisper 40 and a Whisper 60. I had originally set up a 20 gallon saltwater tank (running the 40) and switched everything over around a month ago. The 20 had been established for 6-7 months, and everyone was doing well. In starting, I lost a brittle sea star and 2 yellow tailed damsels (as soon as I put them in...thinking bullying. First fish.) all that being in the first two months. I lost a sea urchin around the 4 month point. When I switched, I lost my fire shrimp, and I believe that was because he got his tentacles caught in the filter.
<Unlikely, most likely starved to death or an ammonia spike.>
We have (and have had for 6 months) 2 yellow tail damsels, 2 blue fin damsels, 2 domino damsels, 2 four stripe damsels, and a Neon velvet damsel.
<Yikes!  The Dominos and Four Stripe Damsels are bullies.  Tank is much too small to house all these bullies together.>
Also we have a Coral Banded shrimp, hermit crabs, an emerald crab, and a pink and green sea cucumber.
<Ah, if you had the Coral Banded Shrimp when you got the Fire Shrimp, the Coral Banded Shrimp killed/ate it.>
After testing the water over a several day period, everything tested at 0.
So we went to the pet store and purchased a pair of mated sebae clowns and their host anemone, a Haitian Condylactis.
<Oboy, you've got yourself in a mess now.  Tank is too small for all of this.  The Haitian Condy is not their host
anemone.  They aren't found where Sebaes are found.>

When I got home, i tested again
PH was 8.2, Ammonia was undetectable, Nitrites were less than .25 ppm,
<Should be zero.>
 and the Nitrates were less then 20 ppm. Since nothing was CRAZY high, I added everyone. At first, the anemone was closed up. He opened up over the course of the night. Yesterday morning he had shriveled up. After the lights came on, he came out and looked GREAT all day.(including immediately after a 10% water change.) About an hour before I went to turn the lights out, he was shriveled again. This morning, i tested the water again. PH 8.2, Ammonia was undetectable, Nitrites were undetectable  and the Nitrates were 40 ppm. (really confused on that one...did a water change and it went UP, while everything else went down?)
I use tap water that I treat with a dechlorinator. I also add trace elements once a week and PH buffer when necessary. This morning, I have had the light on for nearly 2 hours and he is just now puffing up and coming out.
The one thing I haven't yet mentioned is my light. I have a Solarplex HE Deep Blue 24" light with 4 led moonlight on the tank right now, so almost 50 watts. I know that's a watt per gallon, but it is directly over the anemone.
<Not the right lighting for this anemone.>
half the tank isn't lit, so its more like 2 watts per gallon.
I intended to get a new light at Christmas ..(well, my mom is buying me one.) the guy at the pet store said that we wouldn't need to worry about lighting...I am just concerned about the well being of the anemone and wondering if he will make it another 19/20 days until Christmas or if I should tell my mom to get me something else and go get the new light myself...this is the light i plan to get:
<That should work fine but unlikely the anemone will make it till Christmas.>
What will happen if he does pass?
<It should be removed immediately or it will pollute the tank.>
 He's still stuck firmly to the rock, and
is just now starting to puff out for the day. I know i need to get him out asap if that happens  But what will the clowns do? Will they host another anemone?
 Also, would putting some macroalgae help my Nitrates problem? I can go get some later this afternoon.
<May help some but you need to reduce your livestock load, that is the major problem right now.  You do not mention the use of a protein skimmer.  This is a necessary piece of equipment for keeping marine animals and will help immensely in reducing nitrate/phosphate levels.>
Sorry this is so long winded  we really got into saltwater not knowing much about it because the guy at the pet store said it was easy, (which its not been bad) and now we are hooked.
<Yes, sounds like you dove in before you knew how to swim.  Never take one persons word in this hobby, get more than one opinion.  Do search our site and read/learn as we have just about everything you would want information on.  I will provide you a link to our marine index. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/index.htm>
 Unfortunately  we have two young children and don't have a disposable income to spend thousands on this system.
<I understand you in that regard.>
Thanks in advance!!!
<You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)>
Re Anemones/Systems 12/11/12

Ok, so you were right. The anemone not doing well. When my boyfriend gets home, i plan to take him back where i got him. Hopefully they can nurse him back to health.
<Possibly and better in their tank than yours.>
But now I am concerned about my clowns. Every time the anemone closes, the clowns go hide in the back. The female especially. She seems depressed.
What should I do for her?
<She is not depressed.  Clownfish do just as well without an anemone.  Your female clown is just placing herself in a secure location.  I have had two clownfish (no anemone) for over a year now and they stake out the back of the tank and defend their area quite well.  I'd would like you to read this also.
James (Salty Dog)>

Clownfish Behavior 7/18/11
<Hello Morgan>
First off I want to say how much I appreciate your website and all of the information I obtain from it. Well on to the question I suppose, at the moment I have a 30 Gal tank that contains three live rock, two Green
Chromis, a Condylactis Anemone, One Clarkii Clownfish, two Turbo Snails, And a large Brittle Star (his legs are about four inches with a quarter sized body). Unfortunately my Clownfish will not accept the Anemone as a host, instead he adopted a jar that is in the tank as his host.
<Not unusual, Condys are not the anemone of choice and your tank is a little small for keeping anemones.>
When we moved the jar he seemed to slip into a depression, and he made a small nest in the sand under one of the rocks. Is this normal?
<Not unusual at all. Might want to learn more about clownfish here.
I can send pictures if necessary. Thank you in advance.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>

Condylactis anemone behaving strangely    5/23/11
Hi there,
First off, I really appreciate all the work and expertise that has gone into this site. It's one of my first go-to references and usually I find you've already answered the question I had previously.
I couldn't, however, find anything that sounded what I'm currently seeing, so I hope you don't mind me emailing.
<Not at all>
I have a 26 G set up with a Coralife Lunar Aqualight Compact Fluorescent Fixture, 2X65 Watt, 24 inch, which is on full for 8h/day and on the actinics for an hour and a half either side. Using a test kit, ammonia, nitrate and nitrite are undetectable, pH about 8.1. I have one small powerhead. There's about 20 lb live rock in there and a shallow white (dead) sand bed. I keep salt at 1.024-25, using Instant Ocean in RODI water.
<Mmm, I do hope/trust you pre-mix and store new water ahead of use. The IO product nowadays can be a bit raw>
Until recently, I'd had a pair of ocellaris clowns for about a year (plus assorted snails and hermits). They were growing and looking happy, so I decided to add an anemone. Not having looked at enough pictures prior to purchase, I brought home what was described as a LTA, but which I later positively identified as a Condylactis.
While I was very happy with my clowns, I felt it was time to add one last fish, and bought a dwarf angel, a coral banded shrimp and a small sea urchin.
<Mmm, all for a 26 gallon?>
I thought I quarantined it for long enough (a couple of days shy of four weeks), but a few weeks after I introduced it to the tank, I thought I noticed some spotting on the fins. At that point I had to leave my house for a couple of days, and when I came back, the angel had clearly died sometime that day and was stuck to the powerhead. Needless to say I observed the clowns like a hawk from that time, and they seemed fine for a couple of weeks, until I had to go away for four days. Just before leaving, I noticed the male had what looked like a couple of white spots on his gills and was a little sluggish. Not having the time at the last minute, I figured I would have to hope for the best and isolate them and treat with copper when I got back.
<Please see WWM re Clowns and (not) copper use>
However, when I did get back it was to a tank completely devoid of any sign of fish, and one very smug looking anemone. Water quality, surprisingly, still tested perfect with the kit and the refractometer (I used the same kit to check the initial cycle on another tank, so I don't think I'm getting false readings on the kit), but I did a 30% water change just in case. Shortly afterwards, the sea urchin began shedding spines and died within a couple of days. (The coral banded shrimp is chipper as ever and has moulted several times).
Since then, the anemone has started to behave a bit oddly. It has usually deflated and reinflated about once a day, but a couple of times lately I've seen it go limp, eventually withdraw its tentacles (over a couple of hours), then kind of inflate into a sausage shape such that its 'skin' is so stretched thin that I can see what I guess are its gonads and other glands inside it. It stays like that for a few hours or longer, then turns itself right way out just as I'm starting to worry it's starting to die.
What is this behaviour? What should I do?
<Too aberrant to be normal... I'd trade the Condylactis in... Really... and start again, with Clownfishes of small species (Ocellaris or Perculas)... if you were happy w/ those>
I really appreciate your help and advice, and thanks again for this incredibly useful site
<I can only speculate, w/ not a great deal of confidence here Julie, but definitely the addition of the new invertebrate livestock is involved in the fish losses... it could well be that the dwarf angel was lost due to errant stinging of the Anemone... and it may have eaten your clowns...
perhaps with some chasing about, even killing first by the Stenopid...
However, the salt mix could be a contributing factor here as well (do see WWM re this brand and some troubles others have had in recent years)... In summation however, my "advice", that is, what I would do, is trade in the Anemone, the urchin as well if it's still alive, change out all the water, wait a few weeks and re-stock w/ the beginning of what you'd like to keep.
Yes, this could be a small-volume tropical west Atlantic biotope... including a Condylactis anemone.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Condylactis anemone behaving strangely    5/23/11
Thanks so much.
<Welcome Julie>
First off, I do realise that 26 G was pushing it for a dwarf angel.
In my defense, I was hoping to move up into a larger tank when I move house.
<I see>
Secondly - you seem to suggest that the coral banded shrimp and urchin might be a problem. I don't disbelieve you, but would you mind explaining a bit more?
<Sure. Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/cbscomp.htm
as you'll find from looking around a bit, CBS are semi-notorious for their wide ranging palates>
Both are 'reef safe' according to online ratings,
<Mmm, definitely not the boxing shrimp. The urchin... depends on the species mostly, secondarily size, thirdly what you have it in with>
and I can't see how either would have caused a problem to the fish (the clowns were about 2").
<If the Shrimp were large... it can/will find the Clowns at night when they're sedentary>
Thanks so much for your advice. The anemone is now waving its tentacles around, but it looks a bit gnarled and its 'stalk' is about three times longer than it used to be. It's still firmly stuck to its rock. If I should remove it, could you give me any advice on the best way to do so?
<Use a credit card at an oblique angle if it's on a smooth surface (likely)... if on a rock, take the rock w/ you... the pedicle can be worked off anything with patience and a thumb/finger nail>
Thanks again
<Welcome again. BobF>

Condy Anemone question, incomp. w/ other Anemones    6/3/10
Good morning,
<Yikes! Going on past Weds. hot wing night now here!>
I have a very long established 75 gallon salt water aquarium I obtained a year ago. It was established for over 10 years before that, and when we moved it, we maintained the substrate, much of the water, etc.
I have live rock, mostly medium sized crushed coral with fine crushed coral mixed in. I run two hang on back filters (one with bio wheels), and a protein skimmer. Because of the high population, I do weekly small water changes of approx 7 gallons or so. PH is very good, nitrates can get up to 20 but almost always lower, 1.025 for salinity....
Inhabitants are Yellow tang, Potters Angel, scooter blenny, another blenny - can't think of his name - but he resides higher in the tank, preferring to "rest" on the rocks, Foxface, shrimp, snails, small hermit crabs, 2 midsized
Blue damsels, 2 small Blue Damsels, two small Pink Skunk Clownfish, one large Maroon Clown and his Long-tentacle Anemone. The problem is the other Anemone - it is a Condy.
<Mmm, not easily or well kept w/ other Anemone species>
I have had it about 2months and it seemed to be doing well. Then it decided to move just a little here and there, which I know is normal. It's coloring was very good. It has gone nowhere near the other anemone.
<Doesn't have to be proximal... bits/pieces come off of each... and chemicals...>
Over the last two days, it has seemed to get smaller, although because it is now more behind the rocks it is difficult to get a very good view of it. It seems to be more gray, and the biggest cause for concern is it looks like there are small pink sores on a few of it's tentacles. Is this a sign of a disease? Is it normal?
<No times two; likely is just losing to the other, stronger Actinarian>
I am watching closely to be sure it doesn't melt - but as I learned from a Ritteri (?)
<Magnificents are much harder to keep still>
I had just lost, that can happen incredibly suddenly. It took awhile getting
the nitrates back down after that happened.
I use 50/50 compact lighting, and one Koralia water pump.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
<Mmm, it has to be moved... soon. Read here:
scroll down to the Anemone sections... the species you have, Compatibility... Bob Fenner>

starfish and Condy anemone, comp.    1/26/10
I have a fowler tank that includes two starfish,
<Which species?>
a weed
ago my husband went to the LFS to just "look" around and as always he something he liked and brought it home with out asking what its habitat should consist of.
<Oh yeah>
in this case it was a Condy anemone. I noticed that it was very active never stays in one spot more then a day.
<Indicative of an unsuitable environment...>
its been two weeks sense its been in the tank and now I notice that one of my starfish is nowhere to be found, is it possible that the anemone might have eaten it?
<Some possibility>
I feed the anemone fresh shrimp every three days, so its not like its going hungry or anything. would love any help in this matter. as a precaution I have moved the anemone to the doctor tank.
<Good move. Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/condyanemones.htm
and the linked files above. Let's learn re the needs of this animal. Bob Fenner>

Re: starfish and Condy anemone 1/26/10

it was an Orange Linckia Starfish
<Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/linckiastars.htm
and the linked files above. BobF>

Dead Volitans Lion 12/27/08 Good Morning Crew... First with basic parameters and set up: Tank: 55gal SWFO, T5 HO light 36" 2 bulb 39w 18k, Crushed Coral, Eheim 2026,RO/DI...Water at tap( well) 448ppm after RO/DI 000 Livestock: 1 Volitans Lionfish, 2 Florida Condi Anemone- <Mmmm> (55 is temp tank until larger DIY tank is finished) Water before death:0 ammonia- 0 nitrite- >10 nitrate- PH 8.3- SG 1.021- O28 Water after death: 0 ammonia- 0 nitrite > 05 nitrate- PH 8 SG 1.021-O2 8 I use Salifert test kits.... I need your opinion...My lionfish died this morning and I was wondering if you can offer an opinion as to why...I do not want this to happen again, if the cause is in fact due to my ignorance...I purchased him approx. 3 months ago, acclimated for approx. 3 hours (drip method) into my quarantine tank...he stayed there for about three weeks while I tried to get him to eat... I live on the coast, so I managed to get hold of live saltwater minnows...After a few days of feeding these and silversides, I had him eating all frozen...I then placed him into my main tank with the 2 Anemones...Things have been fine with him eating silvers, frozen krill, small whole shrimp, and occasional chunk of scallop, 2-3 times a week... XMAS day, after much prodding from the visiting kids to see him "eat", I let them feed him 3 live wild caught minnows...The next morning, I noticed him laying on the bottom with his left eye cloudy...I placed him in the quarantine tank and began to start researching the net...Over the period of yesterday and today, both eyes clouded, one of his horns broke, his face became bright red, skin began falling off of eyes-face-gill area....Late this morning I noticed him darting around the tank, and he died.... I have seen several possible causes by reading ALOT of your FAQs area, but I simply can't nail it down to a cause other than poison...Maybe it is simply coincidence that this happened after eating those minnows, and he was already sick, but I have NOTHING in my tank but him and those 2 Anemones, <These are likely the root cause here> I test the water weekly, and he has been on the same diet.... I have attached 2 pictures, one from each side of his head....I would sincerely appreciate your opinion.... Thank you. Richard Gulf Coast, MS <Thank you for writing so clearly, thoroughly... the cloudy eyes, the reddening of the face. It is likely your Lionfish had a bad run-in with the Condylactis. Bob Fenner>

Re: Dead Volitans Lion 12/27/08 Mr. Fenner...Thank you for the quick response...So, basically it was my ignorance that killed this fish...He should never have been placed in the tank w/the Condi's...? <Yes... does happen. These Lions aren't very "careful" in their movements, and in the small confines or our tanks, do get "caught" cruising around in the dark...> I thought I had covered all my bases when deciding to purchase this fish...It goes to show just how much there is to learn... <Much more than a lifetime> I understand you are going to lose fish due to natural causes, but I simply don't condone losing them to ignorance, or lack of care.. <Ahh! We are definitely in agreement here. Hence my efforts with friends here to share our experiences, thoughts, speculations and accumulated facts from others> I am disabled, and therefore have a lot of free time...I have very much enjoyed reading your site since finding it the other day...I have been unable to "put it down" so to speak... <Am glad to find the work of interest, use> As for writing clearly and thoroughly, you are welcome...I consider that a simple matter of respect, especially since you are providing an invaluable FREE service... Regards, Richard Scearce <Life to you my friend. Bob Fenner> 

Missing Anemone 9/25/08 Hello! <Hi> Recently I bought a Condy anemone and a week or 2 later I added some red hermit crabs (2), well, over night the anemone disappeared so I took out all my rock and such to see if maybe he had sucked up inside one, but found no sign. So I figured it died, however, there is no sign that an anemone had ever been in the tank. So my question is: is it possible that my anemone was eaten by my hermits? <Very doubtful.> I also have a Picasso trigger, niger trigger, dog face puffer, Volitans lionfish, fuzzy dwarf lionfish, and a snowflake eel. <The triggers or puffer are the most likely culprits here. Also in future queries please spell and grammar check before submitting as instructed here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/WWMAdminSubWebIndex/question_page.htm , the time taken to correct them before posting would be better used answering more questions.> <Chris>
Re: Missing Anemone 9/25/08
Thanks for the quick reply! <Welcome> The strange thing about this is that the anemone and fish had lived together just fine for 2 weeks, never bothering each other. <Just took them a while to get around to checking it out.> Are anemones part of the trigger fish's natural diet? <Not usually, but they will sample most anything they can, as will your puffer.> <Chris>

Ailing Anemone Condylactis?   8/3/08 I am sorry to pester you with this question but am at my wits end and have received helpful advice from your site in the past. Over a year ago I was gifted with a "green tipped purple anemone" by my partner. The anemone was placed into a 10 year old reef system and did beautifully for many months. The closest I could come to identification is based upon pictures and I believe it to be a Condylactis. January of this year, I was gifted again with a 125 gallon tank and equipment and moved everything out of the 55 and into the 125. <Nice!> The move went well, no organisms appeared stressed for more than a day or so. All seemed well until a couple of months ago. When my cleaner shrimp molted, he somehow got himself tangled up with the anemone who proceeded to eat him. I chose not to interfere not wanting to stress the anemone over much by attempting to yank something from his gullet. About one week after that, the anemone began moving around the tank much more than he had done in the past. (Indigestion?) <Mmm... sometimes go errant for no apparent reason/s> In the process, the anemone ran afoul of the intake tube for the filter. <Ohh!> I do not know precisely how long he was there but I promptly rescued him by shutting down the filters and shifting the intake. The anemone seemed fine and slowly continued to move away from the tubes so I wasn't concerned. Since then, it has not taken any food, going on two months), has shrunken to less than half of his original size, and is going through a deflate and re-inflate process daily. <This last is fine... good behavior actually> My question is this, since I do not want to risk the rest of my corals, should I remove and destroy the anemone or should I continue trying to get it to eat? <I'd move it to another coral-less area if you had/have one... a sump/refugium perhaps> I can see no visible damage but obviously it is stressed by something in the system. <Mmm, the other Cnidarians perhaps... could just be from the previous (two months back) trauma> It could be the large morsel of food, it could have been internally damaged when it came into contact with the intake tube, it may have been stung by one of the other corals while traveling about the tank. <Yes and yes> I am terrified by some of what I read on your discussion board and would hate to have the "explosion" I keep reading about. Some of my corals have been with me for the whole 10 years and I do not want to lose them but would hate to kill a specimen that might still recover due to lack of knowledge. Regards Beth Beardsley <Then I would definitely move this Anemone elsewhere. Bob Fenner>

I think the introduction of an Atlantic Anemone Killed my Flame and Pygmy Angelfishes 7/27/08 I have a 28 gallon Nano with metal halide and it has been really great for a year. Prior to yesterday the inhabitants of the tank were: 1. 3 clownfish (perculas) 2. 1 fire fish (goby) 3. 1 Flame Angelfish 4. 1 Pygmy Angelfish 5. 3 snails 6. 1 hermit crab 7. 2 green star polyps 8. 2 mushrooms 9. 1 cleaner shrimp (that just died of I think old age was very healthy for a year) <Way too much for this sized tank.> Salinity around 1.025 temp stays around 80 degrees with a chiller run the metal halide from 7AM to 5PM. Ammonia and all levels of nitrates / nitrites kept really low. <Ammonia and nitrite should be undetectable in a sound setup.> So yesterday I took my daughter to the fish store to replace our cleaner shrimp and decided to add an Atlantic Anemone at the same time. <Bad move, trouble.> So before adding the new fish we decided to take out all the live rock piece by piece and restack it so it is away from the walls of the Nanocube so we can clean the algae in those spots. We did that and any rock with animals on it we rested in a bucket with their own water (removed about 25% of the water in this process and put it back later). <When adding new delicate livestock it is not the time for aquascaping!> We then restacked all the rocks and obviously made the water a little cloudy in that process. We added all the animals on rocks back too. We then put the Atlantic Anemone (Condy?) <Maybe, likely.> on some rocks and it stuck very well immediately. We then added the water back, turned the pumps back on and went to bed. This morning, both my Angelfishes and new cleaner shrimp were dead this is really a big mistake on my part because the angelfishes were the star attractions of the tank and expensive ($65 a fish). The water smelled a lot fishier too and the ammonia was up to maybe 1 PPM. <This is to be expected with a small system with such a death, one of the inherent risks in a nano.> I removed the dead fish and immediately did a 50% water change and now have the tank cycling again. The Condy seems healthy and the fire and clown fishes seem to be moving around and checking out the new place but scared or cautious. <You may end up finding a fish or two missing in the future.> The water is still a bit cloudy. The green star polyps and mushroom polyps have not opened back up yet. <They may not for a while.> The water still smells fishier than usual. <Indicative of the death event/water quality.> Can you give me some advice on where to go from here? <Look before you leap, research livestock before purchase.> Should I take the Condy back to the LFS? <I would, nothing but trouble in this size system.> Should I leave it and get the tank back in order? Do you think it killed the Angels and will it kill anything else if I dont remove it? <I doubt it killed the Angels, the unsuitable environment and rapid changes thereof probably did. These fish require stability and larger tanks. But, in time, the Condy will likely consume some of your smaller fish.> Thanks! <Welcome, Scott V.>
Re: I think the introduction of an Atlantic Anemone Killed my Flame and Pygmy Angelfishes 7/28/08
Thanks Scott. <Welcome.> I removed the Condy and am going to take it back to the LFS. <Smart move.> Just so you know the Pygmy Angel I had and the Dwarf (Flame) Angel were very healthy in the 28G nano for a year - they were very happy. The pygmy was less than 1 inch in length and the Dwarf was 1.5 inches both at maturity. I know what you are saying about Angels in general but these small ones I believe do fine in smaller tanks. <Some can be maintained in smaller tanks, just a bit much when combined with three Perculas.> I will continue to do water changes until conditions get back to perfect and will not add any new fish until I see the Green Star Polyps and Mushroom Corals back to their normal happy selves either. <Sounds good, Scott V.> Sebastian

Condy Compatibility 2/13/08 Hi all, How's it going? <Going good so far.> I just have a quick question. I work at a LFS and I was wondering if we could put two Condy Anemones, three brittle stars (species unknown) and one Chocolate Chip Starfish in a twenty-gallon long tank? The reason for it is they are in a 100 gallon fish only (besides them of course) tank, and the fish just recently got marine ich, and it's a whole lot easier to move these few things than to move all the fish. <Is that all you guys have is two tanks? Should really keep the anemones alone, much safer for the other inhabitants.> Thanks, <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Brandon

Re: 20 gallon salt tank? Condy. comp.   2/14/08 Yes, currently we only have two salt tanks (I know that's not many; in fact, we should have at the very least three more, however, I have had a hard enough time convincing my boss to let me set up the twenty gallon, although I'm still trying). I've read elsewhere that Condy anemones are pretty safe with fish, was that misinformation? Thanks for your help, Brandon <Mmm, this genus is generally okay... in stable systems, with Condylactis that aren't "shedding" much due to poor handling... with fishes from the tropical West Atlantic, that recognize them... Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/condycompfaq.htm and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Condylactis Anemones and Clownfish 12/27/07 Hi. <<Hello>> Got a Condy anemone from the fish store. <<Okay>> This is my first. <<I hope you did a bit of research on the genus/species first>> I've heard many different opinions on this....are clowns and condos compatible? <<Sometimessometimes not Though I must admit to hearing more success stories than not re this association these days>> I have maroon clown. <<I hope it is a big Condylactis>> Will either be a danger to the other? <<Is always a possibilitybut may very well be fine (Hows that for straddling the fence?). Truth is, its an unnatural associationbut I have heard of it working>> Do hermit crabs eat anemones? <<The smaller commonly available and so-called reef-safe species shouldnt be a problem>> Also, I'd like to keep species from the same ocean, as you say. <<Ah well, a commendable pursuitbut you have already failed this by mixing an anemone endemic to the tropical Western Atlantic Ocean with a clown fish (clownfish are not found in the Atlantic at all)>> Any sites that list fish/inverts by origin? <<Indeed there are An excellent resource is fishbase.org for your finned finds, and some purposeful hunting on Coral Search at http://www2.aims.gov.au/coralsearch/coralsearch.php will help with corals... Other organisms of interest can likely be tracked down as to ocean/region/origin with some time and effort spent making keyword searches on the NET in general>> Thanks! <<Happy to assist. EricR>>

What happens within the tank when an Anemone dies? 12/20/07 Hi Crew, <Hello Bobby, Brenda here!> I have a question about Condylactis Anemones. <Okay!> If I were to buy a Condylactis, and it happen to die (obviously not hoping, just sort of planning ahead), what would happen within the tank? Would this pretty much crash my tank? <It is a definite possibility, especially in smaller tanks.> I'm new to anemones so any information about what happens after their death would help. <They can fall to pieces, and are very hard to get out of the water in one piece. You may need to siphon a lot of it out. It smells horrible, and will cause an ammonia spike. You will need to do several large water changes over the next few days. Having a supply of premixed saltwater is always recommended for emergencies. I recommend researching their care several months in advance so you can eliminate the chances of it dying. More information here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm > Thank you very much, Bobby <Youre welcome! Brenda>

Condylactis Hosting Maroon Clownfish, Allelopathy 9/27/07 Good morning again Crew! <Good Morning Amanda! Brenda here> Mr. Fenner, Thank you very much for your advice on my Bubble Coral, and tank situation. Sorry to bug you guys with another question so soon. <Not a problem!> This time it is about the Maroon clown hosting in the Condylactis. The Condy we have had for about a year now, and it has always done very well (except for the week we bought the Maroon Clown and one of the LFS talked me into buying a Carpet Anemone, because that is what the Clown was hosting in at the store). Anyway, lesson learned quickly there. <Yes, I can imagine!> I removed the Carpet on the third day, as it was dying. This caused the Condy to seem to be in poor health for about 2 weeks, he bounced back better than ever, though the tentacles changed from white slowly to a reddish brown color. The Maroon clown instantly took up residence in the Condy as soon as he was put in the tank, even though the poor thing was still trying to recover. But recover he did! <Excellent job on the recovery!> This was around 2 months ago, and the Condy has now doubled in size! He seems to have grown to fit the Maroon, which initially was about the same size. They seem to be a match made in heaven and the Maroon Clown, keeps him well fed. You had said that the Condy and the Maroon Clown were not compatible, which I had also read, but since they have paired up so well are they just freaks, or does this occasionally happen? <Yes, it does occasionally happen in captivity. It does not however mean that they will continue this match made in heaven behavior long term. Are you positive that this anemone is a Condylactis?> I'm also guessing, even though there were no signs yet, this is when the trouble started with the Bubble Coral also. Am I correct in that assumption? <When an anemone dies the rest of the livestock will typically show immediate signs of stress. Bobs original advice is correct here Cnidarian allelopathy.> Thanks again for your boundless knowledge! Amanda <Youre welcome! Brenda>

Condylactis passiflora, intra species contention? Oh! Yes   7/10/07 Hi Crew, I have a minor but nagging problem with two small (3-4cm Foot size) Condylactis passiflora anemones in a small 25G Aqua-One 620 tank They have shared it with a Maroon clown <Needs more room...> and a royal Dottyback for about 7 months (tank about 4 years old). The lighting is quite poor ( 1 x 18W actinic and 1 X 18 W 14000K HPC) , but the tank is short, and they are halfway up it (probably about 25cm from light) and I feed them very small pieces of krill and silverside to try and make up for it about once a week and they have always seemed happy. About a month after I bought it this anemone divided (hence the two now), and ever since I noticed that always one or the other would look happy (large, extended) and the other not , but never both at the same time. <Interesting> Is it possible that even though these were originally the same animal, that they are now inhibiting each other via allelopathy? <I believe this might be so. Perhaps though genetically identical there is something here in the way of a mechanism to/driving distribution...> Just recently both moved due to my letting the water quality lapse (Nitrates got a bit high), and have resettled, but even though the quality has been fixed (PH 8.2, Salinity 1.025, Nitrates >40ppm, no Nitrites or Ammonia, Temp 24C) for about 3 weeks now, and all the other inhabitants are happy ( even three fussy Sabella feather dusters and other various little telltale tube worms I have) these two have both remained "Stubby looking" for almost 3 weeks, tentacles completely withdrawn and stubby (not actually closed up except for nighttime) and very small . They still accept food, and seem to ingest it , but no improvement. Could it be as simple as the light intensity finally bothering them? <Yes... and/or residual challenge/toxicity> I found a bristleworm about a month ago and decided to err on the side of caution and remove it, as it looked like one of the more predatory ones, have since seen some little tunnels made of substrate that I have come to suspect the bristleworms make appear here and there , would predatory bristleworms bother these guys? <Could, yes> The only other suspect is the clown, the anemone(s) established a quick relationship (not that they had a lot of choice) with him and both seemed happy with it. Since they have shriveled he is most unhappy about it and noses them all the time wanting them to open properly so he can ruffle in their tentacles, it may be that they are not appreciating his company any more (have had the same experience with some women myself ;-) ) <Mmmm, watch this... they're reading nowadays... and likely pretty soon will demand the right to vote, equal pay for equal work...> One more thing, I have not paid much attention to calcium/hardness/alkalinity in the water as the interrelationship of these factors and what they really mean to the water has always escaped me, no matter how hard I have tried to get a picture of their importance. Have pretty much always hoped that if Salinity and PH are OK in a crushed shell based substrate with Live rock, and I'm not adding anything, then these would probably be at acceptable levels. <This, these traits, characteristics/qualities have ways of catching up with you...> Can you please suggest which of these factors is most important, that I should focus on testing/understanding, e.g.. should I just measure calcium and be done with it? <Mmm, would be a good idea to do a bit of reading...> Would appreciate any feedback Cheers, Rama <Do give a read re Premnas systems, alkalinity and pH, biominerals... and Small marine systems period on WWM... the indices, search tool... "that'll be quite... time-consuming, mmmm". Bob Fenner>
Re: Condylactis passiflora, intra species contention?, and now Goniopora ID, feeding, sys.   7/13/07
Thanks very much for your enlightening response ;-) Have actually spent literally years reading WetWebMedia FAQs and articles, was merely struggling a bit with this one, in any case have re-tackled the Alkalinity/Hardness/Ca issue and think I'm pretty much across the concepts (if I'm not , then I suspect I never will be). Have tested my water (PH 8.2, Salinity 1.025, Nitrates >60ppm, no Nitrites or Ammonia, Temp 24C, Ca 340ppm, dKH 12.5), and doesn't seem too bad. Regarding the possible Condy contention below , should I move one of them out if I can get the chance ( if they come out of the holes they have burrowed into to)? <Yes, I would>

Condylactis Anemone Compatibility 4/10/07 Hello, <Hi Cindy> I have been searching for the past few days and can not find an answer to this. What are the natural enemies of a Condylactis anemone? I have heard that blue leg hermit crabs will attack them.. but have found nothing to prove that (just a rumor at this point). <Do not believe the blue legs will be a problem.  The Four Eye Butterfly Fish which is native to these waters would be a problem with the Condy. The Condylactis (gigantea) has many symbioses also; Periclimenes anthophilus (cleaner shrimp), Stenorhynchus seticornis (Arrow Crab) and Apogon spp. (juvenile wrasses). As for compatibility with other animals, I advise you to search for a fish/invert you wish to add to be sure that either the anemone or fish/invert will be compatible with each other.> We are wanting to set up a tropical Atlantic only tank and want to avoid any problems with critters attacking the Condylactis when the time finally comes to purchase one. I know it will be some time before we actually add the anemone to the tank; but also want to avoid any problems with unsuitable tank mates.   <Understand.> <<Likely only large crabs, possibly Angels will be problematical here. RMF>> Thank you for any assistance you can give me. <You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)> Cindy p.s. We already have two reef tanks up and running, so we are not complete newbies to reef keeping.. just can't find a straight answer on the question at hand. <Searching/reading/learning will pay big dividends in this hobby.>

Condylactis gigantea, BTA, Entacmaea Quadricolor Problems 2/8/07 <Brenda here> I have a 55 gal reef tank.  I have about 90 lbs of sand, 100lbs of live rock, Fuji. I have 384 watts of actinic and 2-250 watts of halide. <Thats a lot of light!> I have in there now a porcelain crab, 4 hermits, 2 red skunk cleaners, 3 Clarkii clowns, 1 zebra Turbo snail and plenty Nassarius snails about 25, 1 Condylactis gigantea purple tip. I just added a mushroom coral, a Rhodactis, it is a leather, and a Rose Bubble Tip anemone. <Yikes!  You need to decide which anemone you want to keep, and remove the other.  Also three clowns in your system will result in problems as they mature.  I suggest removing one clown also.> I put her in 3 days ago all levels ok. <Please list actual test results next time.> When I first put it in she moved across the rocks on one side that I have set up for the anemone away from the Condi anemone.  She found a place up side down and close to a power head so I turned the rock so she would face the lighting and away from being really close to the power head. <Your anemone will move where it is the happiest.  It was also under stress when introduced to its new home, moving it will only add more stress.  It also needs time to adjust to its new environment, including the lighting.  It was most likely under much less lighting before it reached your tank.  If those power heads are not covered to protect your anemone, it will eventually get sucked in and shredded.> She was doing ok, still showing her trunk and tentacles still small. <It may be hungry.  Feed meaty foods such as silversides, krill, Mysis shrimp or raw shrimp.> Then she extended more and the second day her tentacles had got some what bigger still showing her trunk. She had a little to eat and then the third morning its mouth is open tentacles small trunk very small. What could be causing this activity? <It definitely needs to be separated from the Condylactis.  Mixing anemones is never a good idea.  It will cause chemical war between the two.  Without a picture of the anemone when you first got it, its impossible to tell if you purchased a healthy one.  There was no mention of the age of your set up.  It is recommended that a tank be a minimum of six months old and stable before adding an anemone.  Please search WetWebMedia for more information on these anemones.  It sounds like you may have a couple of things going on here.   Brenda>

Anemone vs. coral ...Free Range Condys ...Time to Relocate.   1/8/07 Hello, <Hi Jay, Mich with you today.> great site, I have learned a lot from your site. <Thank you!  Always good to hear that someone has been able to use the site to educated themselves!> But I think I have made a mistake on my own, and need some advice. <Most mistakes we make ourselves.> I recently purchased an expensive Pagoda, not thinking-because I never had any trouble in the past, but now I am scared, I have 2 Condy anemone that like to move a lot, like every 2 days. <Yikes!> Should I fear for the safety of my Pagoda? <Ahh, yeah!> And should I loose the Condy's? <I would find them a new more appropriate home.  Please make sure whoever provides for the Condys is aware of their care requirements.> Thanks, Jay <Welcome! -Mich>

Condy Anemone Compatibility/Care 1//106 Hi, <Hello Tina> I am new to the saltwater hobby and got a 29g Oceanic BioCube tank for Christmas. <Lucky you.> It has all the lighting and wet/dry filter included in the back. I added LS and some BioSpira to cycle it. I then added LR and a horseshoe crab a few days later. Yesterday, I added 3 blue legged crabs, 1 scarlet legged crab, 1 feather duster, a green brittle seastar, a Sebae Clownfish, a Mandarin Goby, and a Florida Condy Anemone. I read that the Florida Condy does not usually have a clownfish occupant however my clownfish is in heaven among that thing. <Oh Tina, what a terrible start you are off to.  Your tank is too small to support an anemone.  They are very sensitive to parameter changes in the water which can happen quickly in small tanks.  Furthermore, the lighting that is supplied with the Oceanic system is not strong enough for the anemone to survive. Most anemones are photosynthetic, that is, they produce much of their own food.  Mandarin Gobies do best with a diet of live food such as copepods/amphipods and they are difficult to acclimate to prepared foods.  This is one fish you should return to the dealer, not a good fish to start out with and they to, do best in larger systems with plenty of live rock.  I would also pack up the anemone to take back with the goby.  In your beginning stage, along with your knowledge and type of system you have, these two will perish shortly.> My question is referring to my horseshoe crab. I noticed him swimming over and over again, and he would often get in the water current from the filter and land on my anemone!!! I kept pulling him out of the anemone because I was not sure if that was okay and it looked like the anemone was trying to pull him in. Can this anemone sting/kill any of my invertebrates (horseshoe crab or seastar especially)? <Can, yes.> Also, should I continue to let my clownfish nestle among him if it usually does not have occupants? <Yes, the clownfish is in no danger.> Lastly, Why does my horseshoe crab swim around like this...I thought they just walked along the bottom? <Probably looking for food.  They normally stay buried in the sand looking for food, and again, this crab is really not suited for small systems.  I strongly suggest the return of the anemone and goby.  The anemone will die soon under the conditions of your system.  When this happens, you will more than likely lose all other life in the tank.  Do search our site for information on the occupants of your tank, learn their needs, care, compatibility, etc.  I'll start you off with a link on the Condy.   http://www.wetwebmedia.com/condyanemones.htm  Do read the linked files above also.  There is much to learn, and you should learn about what you wish to buy and see if your system and knowledge can support it.> Thanks!! <You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)> Tina Miller

55 gallon tank with Condy   6/12/06 My husband and I are putting together a 55 gallon for our Condy. We have a 75 gallon reef tank with tangs that we are getting the Condy out of. Would the following be suitable together: Condy, fu Manchu lionfish, snowflake eel, some kind of starfish and maybe a lobster? <Uh, no... the Lion and Eel are too likely to be stung by this TWA Anemone, the Lobster too likely to eat it, and in turn all else> Will also have a couple of turbo snails in there. Nothing definite yet but this is what we are contemplating and we are trying to do our research ahead of time like good little girls and boys... <Good practice> any other suggestions... will need low lighting for the Condy, will everything else do okay in this lighting configuration. Will not have any corals in this tank... thanks Melissa and Micah <Keep reading... on WWM re all these species... Systems, Compatibility... all posted. Bob Fenner>

Condylactis/Compatibility   6/12/06 Hello WWM: <Hello Melissa> I have a 75 gallon with a couple of tangs, various corals, mushrooms, crabs, snails feather worms and one Condylactis anemone. We have decided to remove our Condy and the live rock he is on and place him in his own 20 long tank, possibly later upgrading this tank to a 55 long. I am on a quest trying to find out what would be compatible tankmates for this Condy. We don't want to fill up the tank, but at least have maybe 4 or 5 different species. Any suggestions? <The 20 gallon is too small a tank for keeping anemones and a 20 gallon tank is not going to support 4 or 5 fish, if by "species" is what you meant. The 55 would work for this type anemone and is better to stock with fish that are safe with anemones such as clownfish. Do read here and related links above.   http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm.  James (Salty Dog)>

Re: 55 gallon tank with condy   6/13/06 I did read through several pages of compatibility for the condy but cannot find anything that will be suitable to keep in a tank with a condy. Any suggestions... <Oh yes... most all that can be bought from the tropical West Atlantic that won't eat Condylactis (e.g. large angels, triggers) or be eaten by them (Jawfishes, gobies)... See Paul Humann, Ned DeLoach's works, WWM re such biotopic choices. Bob Fenner>

My Husband the Condylactis >I posted this on your chat forum site as well, but thought I would email you directly. >>I personally don't usually visit the forum, let's see what you have for us today. >My husband (who is like a little kid in a candy store at our LFS)... >>As have I been in the wholesaler's. >...decided to buy some clownfish over the weekend. We have a 55gal tank w/approx. 60-70lbs of live rock, and live sand. About 10 snails, and 10 crabs. The tank has completely cycled and we just started adding new critters last week. He brought home some xenia and a couple featherdusters early last week. And then just like an impatient 2yr old, he went back and bought 2 clownfish and a Condy anemone a few days later.  >>You do have your hands full, don't you? My fiancé and I are delaying a new tank because we keep arguing over stocking (what) and husbandry. >He said he was told by a girl at the store that the fish would use the Condy as a host, which I have since found out, sounds highly unlikely.  >>NOT unknown, but then again, Clownfishes have been known to host powerheads. This is not, however, their natural state, as the Condylactis as an Atlantic native, and Clownfishes are Pacific only. >The girl also didn't bother to ask him what else was in the tank, and my idiot didn't offer the information to her either. >>Well, she probably wouldn't have known what to do with the information had he given it to her anyway. >My problem now is that the Condy is basically attacking our xenia!!!  >>Uh oh! Time to sell it back to that girl, methinks. >I don't know what to do.  >>Remove it. We really do discourage people from placing motile, stinging inverts, such as anemones, with sessiles for exactly this reason. >We move it to the opposite side of the tank, and the next morning, it's back on top of the xenia again. Is this going to kill my xenia?  >>Very well could, or at least greatly limit its growth. >Or what should I do with the Condy?  >>Send it back. >It basically sounds like the Condy is just going to be a nuisance to our tank. Are all anemones like this?  >>Essentially, fundamentally yes. >Do we even need an anemone for the fish? >>Not at all! Also, many folks are finding that their tank-bred/raised Clownfishes don't seem to KNOW what to do with anemones. This won't harm or affect the fish negatively at all. >I'm apologizing for my husband's childish behavior in advance.... He now understands why it is important to read up on everything before you buy it! Robyn Sampson >>Short, swift, sweet lesson. Not so much childish as impulsive, and I suffer from the same malady on more than a few occasions myself. Marina
My Husband the Condylactis - Follow-up
>Thank you very much for you helpful insight. Glad to say the Condy is on its way back to the store. >>Robyn, you're very welcome. A warning to be prepared, when people get into this hobby it can quickly become an addiction. Impulse control is the biggest problem. Marina 

Condylactis Anemone - 06/01/05 I recently bought a Condy at my LFS and the salesman told me that pretty much any clownfish would host with it. <<Really? I would disagree considering this anemone is an Atlantic specie and clownfish are NOT found in the Atlantic. This unnatural mix usually winds up with one or the other animal being killed. Do have a read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/condylactis.htm >> Well with more research I found that the only decent choice would be a tomato clown. <<Hmm...based on what criteria, I wonder?>> Are there any invertebrates or fish that will naturally host with this anemone and will it cause problems with the animals I already have in the tank? I have...  1 3.5 in dwarf fuzzy lionfish 2 damsels 2 hermits 1 chocolate chip starfish <<I'm not aware of any symbionts for the Condylactis anemone, <<A few crabs, shrimp... RMF>> as for your existing tank inhabitants, a large Condy could pose a threat to your fish. Regards, Eric Russell.>>

Condy and emerald?..... Nemo and Dory? Hi WWM. I have a question for you guys. Is there a connection between Condy anemones and emerald crabs? <Evidently so: http://www.tmbl.gu.se/pdf/TMBL_pdf/Library_and_databases_pdf/examensarbeten_pdf/Lisbeth20p.pdf  > I introduced my Condy (since it was in a in-tank refugium) into the main part of my 55 reef and the emerald crab shot right to it. Always staying right by it like a clownfish with anemone. Perhaps it needs comfort? No predators in my tank. I don't know if you guys have heard of this relationship but it kinda seemed weird to me. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Different emeralds and different Condys. What are your thoughts? Keep up the good work. Teddy <Will try, am trying. Bob Fenner> 

Condy Anemone - 07/11/05 I recently bought a Condy anemone and added to my collection of a BTA, sailfin tang, regal tang, copperband butterfly, diamond goby, algae blenny, serpent star along with several inverts and a few mushroom corals and button polyps. <<I hope this tank is a couple hundred gallons in size...>> I awoke the next morning to find that my Condy inevitably moved to my power head and is no longer with us today. <<Sadly...an all too common problem with motile inverts.>> The problem is that the next day all my fish showed very distressed breathing and the regal and butterfly have now died to the sailfin, goby, and blenny are doing somewhat okay still showing difficulty breathing, however all the inverts including the coral and BTA are doing just fine.  Could this outbreak of death and destruction be caused by the Condy dieing and possibly releasing a toxin into my tank. <<Strongly coincidental at the least.  I think a large water change/carbon filtration are in order here.  Eric R.>>

Anemone loss trouble in turn? Checking on the checkers on the checkers... 7/12/05 Bob, Was reading through the sent mail.  A query from Nathan on a "Condy Anemone".  Writer states Condy got stuck in power head and he lost it. Then, lost a couple sensitive fish the next day.  The writer asked if death could have been caused by toxins from the dead Condy.  Eric R. wrote "strangely coincidental".  My opinion is the death of the fish was caused by this.  Seen it too many times.  Agree? Regards, James (Salty) <Mmm, I'd almost bet Eric meant "strongly" rather than strangely. Eric? BobF> <<Hmm, yes...maybe my poor choice of wording.  I definitely meant to imply the incidents were very likely related.  Eric R.>>

Condylactis host question I have a 37 gallon aquarium that I plan on being a reef tank with maroon clowns being the show fish. Right now my lighting is in order. Showing a lack of patience and a large interest in anemones, I purchased a Condy pink tipped tubes with a white body. Now the question is will any fish host with this anemone? <No natural hosts. Some captive raised clownfish will host in just about anything.> One more side question, what will be my best choice host for the maroon clown? <E. quadricolor. Please read up on anemones and their care. Here are three articles you should read: http://trickstr.tripod.com/survey_r.htm http://www.reefs.org/library/article/r_toonen8.html http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/bubbletipanemones.htm Sincerely, Steven Pro>

Tomato Clown Hi guys! This is not really a question. I recently and stupidly bought a Condylactis anemone, Florida pink tipped, and after searching I could not find anything that was listed as a host or at least nothing that I could find at the LFS. <There are no clownfish in the Caribbean, so no natural clownfish host anemones there.> So, I bought a tomato clown and by the grace of god he did it for a month. Now they live together the clown feeds and cleans the anemone. I just thought that it was a really neat thing you might appreciate. Josh <This is an uncommon event. Sometimes the clownfish go for it, other times not. You have a better chance with captive raised clownfish vs. wild caught. Thank for the report. -Steven Pro>

Clownfish & Condylactis Dear Bob, I noticed that in your article on clownfish, you deem Condylactis anemones unsuitable for clownfish. <Mmm, yes... in so much that these associations too often result in the Clowns being consumed> Well, I have 2 Indonesian two-banded (?- that's what they were called in the shop) clowns who love their three Condylactis and took to them in about 3 days. <Yes, this happens> In return the Condys are hardy, robust and beautiful, as well as cheap and eco-friendly. Keep up the good work anyway! Massimo Redaelli, Brighton UK <Thank you for your input. Will post for others edification. Bob Fenner>
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What an amazingly fast response! By the way my clowns were only about 2cm long (now about 4) and luckily they are doing fine. <Good to hear... they are likely captive-produced (the premier facility for this is Tropic Marine Centre: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/AqBizSubWebIndex/tmcpropc.htm and these successively tank bred species have proven to keep the trend of being much hardier... tolerant if you will, of aquarium conditions. Cheers, Bob Fenner> Cheers, M

Condylactis passiflora symbionts, Clownfish/TWA Anemone associations on the website it shows symbionts for the Condylactis gigantea, but I did not see any for the Condylactis passiflora. I have a 37gl tank I would like to set up with the appropriate symbionts. <Various references list all but the Blenny as being associated with both Condylactis species> I also noticed that you stated a clown would be eaten by a Condy. and I saw this thread http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=53289 and was wondering if this person was just lucky or time would tell. <There are a few accounts of Clownfishes (none found in the Atlantic) forming associations with Atlantic and other not-natural anemones (and other stinging-celled life... and non-living objects... shoes, rubber-bands)... though generally they're consumed by tropical West Atlantic actinarians. If you'll read further through the WWM FAQs you'll see a modified response. Thank you for writing. Bob Fenner> thanks chip

Condylactis - Answer from Anthony I have recently been reading about long term success of reef tanks. I have an LPS tank with sump and refugium. This tank also includes a Condy Anemone (s?). Will this anemone be a problem in the short or long term with the LPS corals or clams. <as long as it stays in place I have little concern although it is never to be recommended. Anemones and coral are recipes for disaster in the long run due to the motile nature of the anemones. It is very likely that it will roam within years if not months and in a tank of other stinging cnidarians a serious battle will be waged. A very unnatural combination if nothing else. Enjoy the one that you have but do resist getting any more> The tank has 200 Watts of Smartlight and 55 gal of tank water. Last question, is a green brittle star a good scavenger for my refugium or maybe in main tank?? <O. incrassata (green brittle starfish) is one of the only non-reef safe "serpent" starfish. They have been observed eating small Tridacnid clams and will catch small fish and crustaceans while they sleep. Not an outright menace, but in time it will catch something. I'd remove it to the refugium myself. Still... a very beautiful echinoderm> Yellow tang coral beauty 2 false Percs cleaner wrasse fire shrimp torch bubble flowerpot Condy thanks, Jeremy <kind regards, Anthony Calfo>

Condylactis - Answer from Steve I have recently been reading about long term success of reef tanks. I have an LPS tank with sump and refugium. This tank also includes a Condy Anemone (s?). Will this anemone be a problem in the short or long term with the LPS corals or clams. The tank has 200 Watts of Smartlight and 55 gal of tank water. <The problem with keeping any anemone in a reef tank is that they can wander and sting your other animals.> Last question, is a green brittle star a good scavenger for my refugium or maybe in main tank? <No, green brittle starfish are notorious fish eaters.> Yellow tang coral beauty 2 false Percs cleaner wrasse fire shrimp torch bubble flowerpot Condy thanks, Jeremy <You are welcome. -Steven Pro>

Hands across the water I just got a Condylactis Anemone, will a Percula clown take this as its host, also I am worried about my Long-Spined Porcupine he blow up a couple times after I put in the Condylactis Anemone, is this just because he was scared or with they not get along. Also is the Condylactis Anemone poisons, and what does it eat. thanks >> If the Clown goes in, it will likely be a one way trip... Condylactis Anemones are from the Atlantic... No Clownfishes found there... The Puffer is probably acting out... but may well eat the Anemone if so inclined (though there are instances of symbioses between these groups... just not dependable... recommendable to try). Condylactis anemones are mildly venomous (never ate one, so I don't know about how poisonous they might be)... but other animals do eat them in the wild. What do they eat? Most anything meaty.... don't overfeed them... once, twice a week some small bits. Bob Fenner, who encourages you to "study up" ahead of livestock purchases....

Condylactis Bob, Can a dead Condylactis poison a tank?  <Oh yes> Over the last two weeks I have lost all my inverts (20 snails, 10 hermits, 3 emerald crabs, 2 stars, mushrooms and 2 Condys). The first to go was a Condy that I was unable to find and remove it just disappeared in my live rock. Shortly thereafter the same fate befell the other Condy and again I was unable to remove it. Couple of days later I had a 4 degree spike in temperature which lasted approximately 24 hours. Since these episodes I have lost all my inverts as listed above. <Not able to say whether the conditions that led to the loss of the Atlantic Anemone had whatever to do with the loss of the rest... but the temperature spike definitely didn't help> During this period I have performed 2 water changes (15% each) and the second time I added Chemi-pure. I have not replaced my filter media for fear of total system collapse but I am considering this as my next move. Three days ago I proceeded to add 10 more snails and within 24 hours all were dead. All the fish look fine except for the three Damsels whose fins are tattered. I believe this to be a result from my cutback from feeding the fish which I resumed yesterday.  <All sounds reasonable> My live rock has supported my other live stock during this period. All water parameters are fine, I drip Kalkwasser at night and add baking soda in the morning which keeps my pH pegged between 8.5 - 8.45. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Nick <Would have done much larger water changes... 50%, with pre-made water... but otherwise pretty much what you have done... Best now to wait, watch, hope and not over-react. Bob Fenner>
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Bob, Thanks for your quick response. As a follow up to my original inquiry (see below) I have now lost two damsels, the third is also doing poorly. The signs are all the same parts of their body/scales look faded and their pectoral fins are shredded. My Kole tang has been hiding in a cave and only darted out to grab food and darted back. His scales between the eyes and in front of his dorsal fin are fading though it looks more like scratches but his fins are fine. All other fish seem fine and are eating. Last night I cleaned out one of the filters and this morning I added stress coat. Tonight I will do another water change (25%)and clean out the other filter. The only remaining items in the tank are the live rock, lawnmower blenny, scooter blenny, flame angel and two clowns. Any other suggestions? Nick <Let's see... really just to do as you're doing... and wait of course on adding anything more in the way of livestock till a couple of weeks have gone past with none of the symptomology listed here... Good luck. Bob Fenner>

Condylactis/Clowns? Bob! I am in need of your help once again! Can you tell me of any Anemonefish will host with a Condylactis, Atlantic? Thanks so much again. Dave <Well, as you likely know these animals are "an ocean apart"... and not "naturally" symbiotic... but sometimes, some do mix... including all the popular tank-bred species... But no guarantees... often as not the Anemone eats the erstwhile Clown... I would read over the general Anemone pieces on the www.WetWebMedia.com site again... I've placed more images of the anemones, and made/placed a table there ala Fautin of who goes with who in the wild. Bob Fenner>
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Sorry to keep bothering you Bob, but I had another question about Atlantic Condys. Will my pink skunk host with it? It has already hosted with a long tentacle anemone which will not be in that tank anymore. What are the chances of the two forming a new bond? Thank you so much again. Dave <Only experience can/will tell my friend, for you and your livestock. Bob Fenner>

Condy question Bob, I have 3 Condys in my 30 gallon tank. One is rather large being about a 4 inch base and opening as large as a grapefruit, the other two are small. I have lost 4 clownfish and 4 damsels since placing the large one in the tank. I found the remains of two just below it, partially eaten. The others seemed to get listless and eventually die with no marks upon their bodies. The tank is established, the nitrates are good, the nitrites are 0 as is the ammonia. The ph is good and the salinity is at 1.023 and the temp is 79 degrees. The only thing I could think of that might have killed them was the Condy, is this possible? Also, what would you recommend to put in with him if this is the case? Thanks, Ginger <Hmm, well, you don't mention about the tanks filtration, circulation... but yes to the Condylactis anemones being capable, likely as the cause of mortality here.... Yes also to the possibility of clowns and other fishes "learning" to live in the presence, even associate with these Atlantic Anemones... (all Clownfishes are Indo-Pacific)... If I were trying to keep these disparate animals together I might keep the new clowns in a separate tank (a ten gallon quarantine/hospital system will do) and slowly (like a gallon every few days) move some "anemone tank" water over to their system... And a note re the filtration mentioned before... do provide some fine particulate/mechanical sieving to remove anemone material in the water column... and some activated carbon (replaced about once a month) to counter some of the possible ill effects of dissolved matter in the water as well. Bob Fenner, who would really just keep tropical West Atlantic with these Condylactis. Please see Anemone sections on the site: www.wetwebmedia.com >
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Bob, Thanks again, I was just at the site and it was wonderfully helpful. I am thinking about maybe Banggai cardinal fish and an Atlantic blue tank with maybe a royal Gramma and red spotted hawkfish later.......still more researching to do. My husband would love a Picasso triggerfish but from the research I have done, that doesn't sound like a good idea. Thanks again, Ginger <Do keep investigating... your tank is small and this is really going to limit your choices... Perhaps a larger system for your anniversary (any event will do... the Deed of Gift date of the Statue of Liberty is just around the corner...) for the larger tank... and then using the smaller one for quarantine/new specimens... Bob Fenner>
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Thanks Bob, I do have a good protein skimmer system on the tank as well as a Penguin Bio Wheel 330 filtration system. I will go to the anemone site but would also like to ask for some examples of West Atlantic tropicals please? Ginger <They're listed on the site: Acanthurus coeruleus, Bodianus rufus, Opistognathus aurifrons, Gramma loreto... many, many more, and references. Bob Fenner>

Atlantic anemone Hi, <Howdy> I read interest you FAQ's regarding the Atlantic anemone.  I have a green one that I purchased as a charity case over a year ago and it has since grown to approx 10" diameter when extended with a 3" diameter disc in my 75 gal tank.  My tomato clown took up residence with it several months ago and though it seems to be a one sided relationship on the clowns side the anemone has thrived.  My question is - I have been told that the anemone will 'sting'  and consequently kill corals and other anemones. <Mmm, well this is possible... but not necessarily so. They do live amongst such animals in the wild...>   I have added several small corals to my tank and they are doing well where currently placed, but if Mr. Anemone decides to move again it will have contact with them. It has stayed in the same place for a few months so I am hoping it is happy there.  Am I waiting for disaster to happen? <Can't say. Some specimens do go "wandering", generally following a deficit in their current situation, very commonly low light intensity, phase shift of "old" lamps. If they're all getting along chemically for now, I wouldn't be overly concerned. You are likely to see something happening if it does decide to move before real trouble. Bob Fenner> Thanks, Nancy D

Toxic spawn? 3/14/03 Quick question about a Condylactis (sp) anemone...last night. seemed to be spewing out a murky film. with in 10 minutes all the fish were dead!. they were floating upside down as I was trying to do an emergency water change...but no luck... they all died as well as 2 cleaner shrimps/banded shrimp as well...all snails and other critters are fine...the tank is  3 years old and had been totally fine until last night. these were all original inhabitants of the tank. fish/anemone. everything was added together. I thought the anemone was dieing ..looked all deflated etc.. but this morning it is fine. inflated to regular size...which is huge! the foot is close to 3 inched across...but seemed to have the same murky film coming from its mouth. although not as much as last night...water is cloudy as well. another water change today...any ideas?. there is no foul smell coming from the tank or anemone...all water param's are fine...weekly changes etc...I am stumped/bummed out...any ideas? Thanks guys Pete <the first thing that comes to mind is a reproductive act where the gametes were toxic. "Toxic eggs" are rather common among reef invertebrates...a sensible evolutionary strategy. In the wild they are simply noxious in the vast expanse of seawater and dissuade most predators from eating them by taste. In a closed aquarium, however, merely "noxious" can become "fatal". Just a guess... it is a bit odd that all but the anemone died. You can rule out a pathogen too as both inverts (shrimp) and fishes died and diseases are almost never shared between the groups.  My regrets, bud. If its any consolation, such events are rare in captivity. But continue to do several large water changes (25-50%) in the next week and use chemical filtration media heavily (carbon/Polyfilters). Kindly, Anthony>

Condy Anemone Hi guys! I need to pick your brains a bit. I just added a small Condy (Condylactis passiflora) to my nano-reef tank but I want to make sure I'm not taking too big a risk here. The specs on the tank are as follows:10g tank with trickle filter - cycled for about 4 months32w PC 50/50 (half 8800k Ultra Daylight, half Ultra Actinic) lighting <This should be fine for Condylactis anemones> pH 8.3 temp 79 nitrites - consistent 0ammonia - consistent 0nitrates - 0 - kept low by doing small daily water changes salinity - 1.023crushed granite substrate of about 1"about 20lbs LR no protein skimmer do to the design of the tank/filter/light The livestock is as follows:2 small TR Ocellaris Clowns1 small yellow watchman Goby - he will be moved to my main tank as soon as he's a bit bigger 2 Mithrax crabs2 Astrea snails1 Impatiens Cucumber group of mushroom polyps The clowns are between 1" and 1.25" and the Goby is about 1.5" long. The Condy is about 2.5" when he's fully opened, his base is about .75". He's been QT'd at my LFS for a couple of weeks in a tank with other TR Clowns and not harmed any but am I running a big risk of him eating my two?  <Not much. Chances are very good your clowns will actually learn to associate with the anemone. I would introduce them during the early day and leave a light on outside the tank for the first few nights.> When I started my first marine tank (my larger show tank) I lost a Condy and a BTA, the Condy due to a combo of him getting sucked into the filter and low lighting and the BTA due to low lighting. There may have also been chemical warfare going on between the two since they positioned themselves very close to each other.  <Common problems as you now know> I learned from my mistakes there and now should be able to provide proper care for this guy but I want to make sure I'm not going to lose my clowns, I've become very attached to them! Thanks! Ronni <I give you very good odds of having no problems here. Bob>

Condylactis and other cnidarians >Hey guys, >>And gals.  Marina here. >Have a quick question, In my tank right now I have a Condylactis Anemone, Xenia, Long spine Urchin, Sand Sifting Star, and a few fish. I am planning on getting a pair of True Percula Clowns for my tank. I will be getting rid of everything else before I do so. With the Clown fish I plan on getting a host anemone. I know you guys do not recommend anemones but I would really like to get one. >>The issue here is the ability of the aquarist. >Mine I have now has done great probably doubled in size and I keep it very healthy. >>Condylactis are considered almost bullet-proof (no one seems to have trouble growing Aiptasia, so we can include those pests as well).  They are a far cry from something as demanding as, say, a sebae. From what I have read in your FAQ's and other info on your site is that the Sebae Anemone would be the best bet for the True Perculas. Would you agree with that? >>Sebae, or possible a Bubble Tip Anemone, which tend to be more forgiving in general. >Okay now my real question, I need to get my Condylactis Anemone out but it has gotten itself deep down in a crack of my live rock. The only way I could think of to get it to move was to cover the light where it shines on it and hopefully it would move on its own. I do not want to risk tearing its foot by trying to pull it out of the crack. What would be the best way to get it to move to a surface where it can be easily removed? >>Unfortunately, once an anemone finds itself a place it likes, you're going to be hard pressed to get it to remove itself.  You *could* try this method, I can't tell you whether or not this will definitely work.  What about just removing the rock it's anchored itself to? >Also with the host anemone that I get will it be a threat to the Xenia? >>Yes.  Mixing cnidaria, especially motile versus sessile really is not a good idea.  Actually, I'm going to leave no doubt in your (or anyone else's who might read this) and say that it's a terrible idea, especially in the confines of a tank. >I spend a lot of time on your website and can never really find an exact answer. I hope I am not bothering you with my questions. >>ABSOLUTELY NOT!  You are not bothering us, you're helping us add to the vast amount of information that is out there, but that hasn't answered your question.  Don't think for a minute that you're the only one out there who's had the same questions! >Thanks, Chris Hepburn >>You're welcome, and here are some links again--> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cnidaria.htm http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm >>Marina

I Want A Condy!  (Not Rice, Either) >Hi guys,     >>Hello. >I have seen a Condylactis anemone today at a LFS and I have found it really nice and not too expensive. <<"A shrubbery!" RMF>>   I went on WWM and have read many FAQ on them and some articles... I would like to know if it will be safe for my other animals to add it and if it is safe to keep a Condys with corals, clams and other invertebrate. This is want I have right now in my 50g tank: >>Basically, the general answer is no, it's not a good idea to keep mobile cnidarians (invertebrates with nematocysts that bust a move) with sessile inverts. >-2 tomato clown -1 yellow wrasse -1 hippo tang -1 cleaner shrimp -4 snails -1 hermit crab -1 mushroom anemone and a small baby :) Technical feature have tank are: -60 pounds of live rock - 1 inch of sand - 175 w metal halide -blue led light for night -12 times turn over ... I am planning to increase it to 18 times in the next week. -1 CPR BakPak skimmer ( it will be another skimmer in the next week) I will add a big 33 gal refugium with mangrove and some algae on a reverse day period with deep sand bed in the next week too. >>Sounds as though you have quite the set of plans for this system, all good.  However, I wish to caution you against mixing any anemone, as mentioned above.  If your heart is set on anemones, I suggest dedicating the system to them.  Condys are very pretty and easy to keep. >I know that I am asking a lot of question these days but I really want to do the best for my good marine friends :)  Thank you guys !! >>By your listed plans, it truly appears that way.  I am certain that in your research you've also learned that the tang won't last long in a tank that size.  But, the addition of the refugium will help at least with water volume, if not swimming space.  Hope this advice is helpful (you need no changes in lighting or filtration for a Condylactis), and best of luck.  Marina

- Packing Them In - I just started my first saltwater tank 4 months ago.  I have: 2 Damsels (White Tail & Yellow Tail) 23 small blue-legged Hermit crabs 1 Peppermint Shrimp 1 Emerald Crab 1 Pygmy Angel 1 Royal Gramma 1 Purple Pseudochromis 1 Purple (actually Orange) Chromis Anthias [probably mislabeled] 1 Raccoon Butterfly I just purchased a small pink tip anemone, it was only $8.99 Canadian.  I swear the thing has doubled it's size since I put it in (24 hours ago)). I am a little worried for the safety of my fish.  They all seem to be avoiding it pretty well, which I guess is instinctive. The store (Big Al's) which I purchased the anemone from had Royal Grammas, Pseudochromis, Pygmy Angel, Emerald Crab and Peppermint Shrimp were all in the same store tank.  Is there any real danger from this kind of anemone? <Yes.> Brian PS: I forgot to mention.. It's a 30 Gallon (tall) tank I also have lots of live rock. The fish have been very healthy and have been there for 2 months. <Good grief - this tank is really too small for the amount of life you have packed in there. I'm guessing most of these fish are small, but they won't stay that way. You need to consider thinning out your herd or getting a larger tank if you want to insure your long-term success. Cheers, J -- >

Anemone issues Bob, <Chris> I have been reading your articles on anemones I am very upset at my local fish store. I have small Damsels and Tomato Clowns and False clownfish in my tank.  All small (1 inch or so) And they told me to buy these tube anemones http://www.nakian.com/marine/anenome_1.JPG <Mmm, look like Condylactis species> I think they are tubes anyways. Last night I caught one eating a Damsel <Not atypical... as you likely know (now) these animals are not found in the same ocean...> One clown was so knocked out the he was stuck against the filter. And I believe another clown actually may have also been stung the night before. <Possibly> One of my clowns now is acting a bit odd. Always swimming near top of tank and he is not so orange anymore. I fear he got grabbed the night before and got beat up. I assume my best course of action is to return the anemones. <Yes> I have them quarantined in a section of the tank now. Please advise. Thanks -CPN <Good luck my friend. Studying new livestock purchases ahead of time will prevent such future ordeals. I would not, do not rely on any one given source of information... Bob Fenner>

Re: Anemone issues Bob, After more reading it appears that I have two Condys. I am not really sure what to do with them. -CPN <Mmm, let's see... enjoy them? Take them back for trade-in? Get other livestock that will go with them? Perhaps another tank/set-up? Bob Fenner>
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