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Moray Disease FAQs 2 Related FAQs:
Moray Disease 1,
Morays and other Eels
& Crypt,
Moray Eels,
Morays 2, Moray
Eels 3, Moray Identification, Moray Selection,
Moray Behavior, Moray
Compatibility, Moray
Systems, Moray Reproduction, Moray Feeding,
Zebra Moray
Eels, Snowflake Morays, Ribbon
Morays, Freshwater Moray Eels,
Other Marine Eels ,
Related Articles: Moray
Eels, The Zebra Moray (Gymnomuraena zebra),
The
"Freshwater" Moray Eels,
Freshwater Moray Eels
by Marco Lichtenberger,
Non-Moray
Marine Eels, Snake & Worm Eels,
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Sick Zebra eel, James' go
12/11/07
Hi Bob,
James with you today, Jack.>
Owner: Jack I’m 12 years old.
<Mmm, a young aquarist, good for you!>
Tank: Corner 110 litres, Crushed coral base, 3 hand size & 3 golf ball size live
rocks. One hollow ship wreck. Built in filter, Heater, Power head set up to pump
in air as well.
Occupants: 35cm Zebra Eel, 18cm Snow Flake eel, Blue Damsel fish.
General: Zebra Eel. I have owned the eel and tank for about 6 months. The eels
have both been eating fine every second day (Cooked and uncooked prawns, Pipis )
Tried calamari, squid and mussels. They both swam around during the day and
night, They hand feed and loved to be petted.
<Not a good idea to hand feed eels, they have a nasty bacteria infested bite
which can lead to a bacterial infection on the wounded area. Do discontinue this
practice.>
Their breathing was fine and they are very calm and seem relaxed in their
environment. I did water change of 5-10 litres every week to ten days. I tested
the water every week and adjusted when needed. We did adjust the pH with Marine
buffer (Seachem brand) I did once put the buffer in the tank directly without
mixing it in water from the tank in a cup first and then pouring it in.
Problem: Last Tuesday I noticed the Zebra Eel's head was laying on bottom of
tank and seemed to struggle to breath and hold his head up. He was not swimming
around and stopped eating for about week. His eye was a bit smoky gray. His
stripes were fine, skin was slimy. On Tuesday afternoon we transferred the eel
to the aquarium that we bought him from. In capturing the eel this made him swim
around and seemed to pick him in itself.
<?>
When we arrived at the aquarium and they transferred it to their tank it seemed
a lot better, they said they will keep it for observation. They increased the
salt in tank and the next day it ate and seemed on a recovery. When i\I called
the next day they said it seemed to relapse back to its old ways. The next day
they said it was about the same but had a white spots on its face appearing and
in its mouth. From this position he did not recover and this afternoon the eel
passed away. The aquarium said they are not sure why it passed away but I would
love to know why so I can take better care of my other eel and I would like to
one day get another Zebra Eel.
General: The Snow Flake Eel and the damsel are fine. I did check the water when
all this was occurring and it was perfect and the aquarium checked the water as
well the day we took the eel there and they said it was fine. We have been told
that eels are hardy pet is this true.
<Yes, they are hardy if conditions are favorable for them. A 28 gallon tank is
much too small for this fish. They can grow to about two feet and really need to
be in a 50 gallon or larger aquarium. I'm guessing what happened to eel was
caused by environmental stress. They are huge waste producers for their size and
I believe this led to his demise. In reading your email, I'm guessing you have a
28 gallon all in one nano tank. The filtration system on these systems isn't
really suited to keeping eels or any large fish.>
Thanks for reading my email but I would appreciate your feedback.
<You're welcome Jack, and please read here.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/zebramor.htm
James (Salty Dog)>
Jack
Sick zebra moray eel... too small, too
little filtered, mis-buffered... reading, Bob's go
12/11/07
Hi crew,
Owner: Jack I'm 12 years old.
<Howdy: Bob, I'm 55>
Tank: Corner 110 litres, Crushed coral base, 3 hand size & 3 golf ball size live
rocks. 1 hollow ship wreck. Built in filter, Heater, Power head set up to pump
in air as well.
Occupants: 35cm zebra eel, 18cm snow flake eel, Blue damsel fish.
<Mmm... I wish I knew the make-up of your built-in filter... Moray eels do
produce a good deal of waste... And this tank volume is much too small for these
two>
General: Zebra eel. I have owned the eel and tank for about 6mths. The eels have
both been eating fine every second day (Cooked and uncooked prawns, Pipis )
Tried calamari, squid and mussels. They both swam around during the day and
night, They hand fed and loved to be patted. Their breathing was fine and they
are very calm and seem relaxed in their environment. I did water change of 5-10
litres every week to ten days. I tested the water every week and adjusted when
needed. We did adjust the ph with Marine buffer (Seachem brand) I did once put
the buffer in the tank directly without mixing it in water from the tank in a
cup 1st and then pouring it in.
<I see... and you've hopefully learned better>
Problem: Last Tuesday I noticed the Zebra eels head was laying on bottom of tank
and seemed to strangle to breath and hold his head up. He was not swimming
around and stopped eating for about week. His eye was a bit smoky gray. His
strips were fine, skin was slimy. On the Tuesday afternoon we transferred the
eel to the aquarium that we bought him from. In capturing the eel this made him
swim around and seemed to pick him in itself. When we arrived at the aquarium
and they transferred it to their tank it seemed a lot better, they said they
will keep it for observation. They Increased the salt in tank and the next day
it eat and seemed on a recovery. When I called the next day they said it seemed
to relapse back to its old ways. The next day they said it was about the same
but had a white spots on its face appearing and in its mouth. From this position
this he did not recover and this afternoon the eel passed away. The aquarium
said they are not sure why it passed away but I would love to know why so I can
take better care of my other eel and I would like to one day get another Zebra
eel.
<Mmm...>
General: The Snow flake eel and the damsel are fine. I did check the water when
all this was occurring and it was perfect and the aquarium checked the water as
well the day we took the eel there and they said it was fine. We have been told
that eels are hardy pet is this true.
<Most species, specimens if placed in appropriate settings are, yes...>
Thanks for reading my email but I would appreciate your feedback.
Jack
<Your Zebra/Gymnomuraena likely succumbed to the buffer being poured directly
into the tank, along with general stress... This system is too small... Please
read re these two species needs here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/index.htm
the third tray down. Bob Fenner>
Swollen Snowflake Eel –
12/04/2007
Hi WWMedia Crew!
<Hello Andrew and Laura>
We're huge fans! You've help us a great deal, as we've learned enough to set up
our very first tank. Aside from some predictably difficult moments, we feel it's
been a success.
<Glad to hear.>
We've read every FAQ on the site--(using the Google tool as necessary)--not even
those just regarding our problem, but several others, which have helped us a
great deal. (Also huge fans of the CM and Bob and Anthony's Reef Inverts.)
Unfortunately, we haven't been able to find a topic that corresponds to our
situation. (Though it's probably there somewhere.) Recently, we acquired a young
snowflake eel. He seemed healthy and inquisitive. He had a lot of personality.
We named him Gumboot.
Anyway, we quarantined him for 4 weeks
<Very good>
, and he seemed fine—quite happy even, eating frozen foods, like krill, shrimp
and scallops. We introduced him into our main tank, along with a sole tankmate—a
young lionfish who also seemed happy and healthy. (The lionfish remains so to
this day.)
A few days ago, the eel disappeared into the rock. Old story, I know, but in
this case he reappeared, acting curiously. Although he had been ravenous, he now
retreated from food.
<Not eating can be a sign of stress, disease, injury, not being hungry.>
Soon after, we noticed a peculiar swelling or growth just above his midsection.
Since then, he
will not eat. He continues to hang out in his favourite spots, his breathing
seems OK, but the swollen area has not moved or changed, and he hasn't eaten
since Thanksgiving.
<Swollen areas or bumps on eels can have many reasons:
- Parasites below the skin (marble like appearance),
- Internal bacterial infection (many shapes; usually growing; has to be treated
in a hospital tank with antibiotics),
- Various types of tumors (some will go away by themselves, some can only be
treated by a vet),
- Constipation (swelling at the belly, use Epsom salt; don’t feed much krill,
but more mussel and crab meat),
- Carrying eggs (eel may increase its diameter more than three times, but yours
is probably too young).
- In your case I would not exclude the eel was stung by the Lionfish, swelling
is one of the symptoms. However, the swelling should become smaller with time
unless a piece of the fin ray of the Lionfish got stuck in there and caused an
inflammation. In that case you should see a tiny entrance wound.>
He is only about 8" long, if that matters. (Sorry we can't provide pix, but he
won't show enough of himself to be relevant.)
<I hope the list above helps you to get an idea of the possible reason and
treatment of the swelling.>
Water parameters: SG-1.023, pH-8.2, temp-77F, Am 0, Nitrites 0, Nitrates <10.
The tank is 90G FOWLR, w/ a 20 g sump, 100 lb. live rock, and a TurboFlotor
protein skimmer.
<Sounds all okay.>
Should we remove the eel to quarantine and medicate--and if so, medicate with
what?
<Only if you know what he has, you will know how to treat.>
Or should we just hang out and hope for the best?
<Try to get a better diagnosis with the list above.>
(Is he, say, just constipated?)
<Well possible. Is the swelling mostly at the belly?>
Sorry for the somewhat obvious question, but although he hasn't been with us for
too long, we're very fond of him.
<I’m sure you are and I do hope Gumboot will get well again. Further recommended
readings are http://www.wetwebmedia.com/moraydisfaqs.htm ;
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/moraydisfaq2.htm ;
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/snoflkeeldisfaqs.htm;
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/zebramdisfaqs.htm;
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwmoraydisfaqs.htm>
Thanks immensely... Andrew & Laura in Chicago
<Hope that helps, Marco.>
Re: Swollen Snowflake Eel –
12/05/2007
Hi Marco!
<Hello Andrew and Laura.>
We can't thank you enough for taking the time to answer our question. We
hope you won't mind if we attach a brief rider:
<No problem at all.>
As if things weren't bad enough, we experienced a 5 hour power outage
here in Chicago, during winter. Fortunately the display tank only lost
about 2.5 degrees in that time.
<No problem here for your FOWLR.>
Afterwards. Gumboot came out. His swelling was even more pronounced, and
he seems quite apathetic. He lay dead center, in the front of the tank.
His respiration was normal,
<Gills are not affected.>
but he was limp and not inclined to hide.
<This looks really bad.>
We've removed him to a 10 gallon QT, so we might better see what is
happening with him.
<Understandable choice seeing the pictures. Offer him some cave to feel
more comfortable and keep the water quality pristine.>
He remains sluggish. We've attached some pictures here
<I see one, had no idea the swelling was that large.>
, in hopes that you might be able to help us more. Do you have any sense
of what might be going on here? We're ready to dose with antibiotics or
iodide supplements, but we're not sure which way (if either) to go.
<Look for a wound from a lionfish sting and check if the lionfish has
intact stinger ends. What we see here is probably an accumulation of
fluids. If there is no wound I’d suspect an internal bacterial infection
hard to diagnose exactly/treat accordingly without a veterinarian. You
can try an antibiotic for gram negative bacteria like Maracyn Two, but,
although some eels swollen like your moray survive, many die. It is
impossible to know without tests which antibiotics actually work, due to
the apparent use of loads of antibiotics at many collectors and
wholesalers.>
Thanks again. We know you're busy, and we appreciate your help more than
we can say.
Andrew & Laura in Chicago.
<Sorry I have no better news. Keep us updated, I still hope Gumball
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Gymnothorax
tile with possible tumors – 09/04/07
Hello!
<Hi!>
Sorry I must contact you with bad news.
<No problem.>
Somehow one must guess most people who have questions do. I believe that
this is the fatal flaw for the moray I have made. I trusted the staff at
the LFS. I've been feeding him shrimp for months and now that something
has finally gone wrong have I dug into the problem. I guess stuff
happens but I should have been able to prevent it with research, but the
sites I could find before I ran into yours mentioned morays eating
crustaceans.
<They do, but not exclusively and not just one type.>
I've found your website incredibly reliable as far as I can see. When I
looked into the problem, I looked into diet, and disease on your site.
What worries me, is that even if I correct the diet, he has what appears
to be tumors on his belly, the white portion. He's in a high brackish
setup for more info if you need that.
<Okay, that’s an important information. I hope the specific gravity is
above 1.010.>
Say the diet is corrected in the long term, will he be able to survive
what has happened to him?
<Possible, if the diet was the reason and apparent damage is reversible.
Daily vitamin additions will help you to correct the diet and find out.>
I'm concerned with the tumors. I doubt there is anything I will be able
to do except for do my best.
<Yes, a vet would be needed for a better diagnosis. What you can do is:
check your nitrates. Aside nutrition this problem might be caused by an
environmental issue, e.g. high nitrates or low salinity (which you
probably can exclude at least for the time you had it) for a long time.>
I thought it might have been an infection from the substrate, which is
smooth gravel.
<Improbable.>
I siphoned every piece of filth I could from the gravel and did a 20%
water change of his 20 gallon tall.
<Okay… That tank is relatively small, therefore it is well possible
nitrates accumulated. You may also want to check nitrites and ammonia to
see if this system is adequately filtered. Nitrates>20 and any reading
of ammonia and nitrites >0 can be a problem. You’d have to do large
water changes in that case (remember changing 50% will only decrease any
harmful substance by 50%) and keep those parameters down as long as your
fish is in this tank.>
The eel is barely over a foot, and I plan on buying him a fifty gallon
aquarium as soon as I can. I just noticed what happened today, and I
sent this in ASAP.
<Good decision.>
His diet will be corrected immediately with variety <…and vitamins> to
ensure proper nutrition. During the tank change I took a picture of him
in a holding container (plastic bowl).
<I love this species.>
He stirred up a lot in the time it took to catch him hence the nasty
stuff in the bowl. I also disturbed a lot trying to capture him... Other
than the mysterious large bumps on him *three if I remember correctly*
he swims around and eats just fine.
<I hope he gets well again. Some types of tumors are reversible, while
others are not. Good luck and write back if further questions or
comments arise. Marco.>
Gymnothorax tile with possible tumors;
follow up ? – 09/09/07
Hi again. I must thank you for your quick response.
<No problem.>
Sorry mine was not so swift.
<Since you did not include our correspondence it is difficult for us to remember
your problem. Dozens of e-mails arrive here every day. But I do assume you are
the one who had a problem with a brackish Gymnothorax tile with possible
tumors?>
Shortly after sending the e-mail I contacted a friend who also keeps saltwater
fish. He suggested a full water change. I did such even though I thought it was
risky but I'll try anything that might benefit the eel as long as it seems
rational. To keep the tank "aged" I left the old filter in so the bacteria would
be reintroduced. Now I'm trying to get the eel to eat a wider variety of food.
It ate more shrimp immediately just an hour afterwards. The piece of squid were
ignored and are still laying on the bottom of the tank.
<Take them out if they are not eaten within a few hours. You'll need some
patience to train the eel. If he's a little hungry his motivation to try
something new will be higher.>
Mussel meat will be tried. I bought silversides from the pet store as well as
krill. <Okay.> So far all he accepts is shrimp as always. With methods of
keeping his body in top shape, what could I do to make the shrimp more
nutritious in the meantime? I know that Walgreens sells hypodermic needles I
could use to inject the shrimp with vitamins.
<Can do that. You could also soak the thawed food in vitamins for about half an
hour.>
Also, asking around, I have lights used for regular freshwater fish. Should I
get those intended to emit UVA to simulate natural sunlight? More questions
asked to people I know suggest he'd need it so he could absorb calcium (I don't
think they need it very badly but it seems to be a basic need for a lot of
animals) and produce vitamin D to fight off cancer.
<Since G. tile moray eels are predominately nocturnal in nature, I do not think
the spectrum of the lights is connected to the disease of your eel. In addition,
vitamin D won’t be a problem for a moray, which naturally eat vitamin D rich sea
food like fish and crustaceans. However, I do prefer bulbs with the most natural
spectrum for my own tanks.>
The eel showed a drastic increase in activity after the water change before
settling down under his driftwood which is in there to simulate an estuary.
<May rot in the brackish water.>
Is there anything I'm doing wrong here beside the nutrition issue?
<As suggested monitor the nitrates. Anything higher than 20 ppm can be a
problem. What was the nitrate concentration before you did the water change? It
is well possible long term nitrogenous poisoning was the source of your
problem.>
I suspect I am. I don't know for sure though. There is something else I wish to
ask you in another e-mail. It has to do with the senior project at my school and
this will be sent very shortly after this.
<Okay. Be chatting. Marco.>
Re: Gymnothorax tile tumors. Malnutrition?
- 10/07/2007
The eel's tumors are gone! I appreciate your advice very much. There has
been a lot of success with keeping him healthy, along with some noticeable
growth in size. His food has been injected with the appropriate supplements as
well. The need for a new tank is growing, and I believe I could probably get him
a new one in the next few months. Adding another question, I found this little
packet in the LFS called "Phosphate-X" or "Phos-X." Something like that name.
The description on the label says it absorbs phosphate, nitrates, and nitrites.
I don't rely on this little packet about the size of a sticky-note and still
perform water changes, I was only wondering if it helped. On a different matter,
the eel eats about twice a week based on the information I found on your
website. I used to offer krill that was accepted from time to time but read that
it wasn't good for the eel and promptly stopped feeding that. Silversides have
been a new favorite alongside shrimp, and squid are accepted when the eel feels
like eating them. (the food is removed after a few hours as you suggested as not
to pollute the water) I'd like him to live as long as possible, so I've done
everything I can, and will continue to do so. The brackish water isn't rotting
the wood so far, and the salinity is as you suggested. While on that, is there
anything better than a regular hydrometer? Perhaps something electronic?
<A hydrometer is fine for brackish water fish. Any inaccuracy will be well
within the tolerances of the fish. In fact, most brackish water fish like a bit
of variation from time to time. But your filter isn't quite so accommodating, so
it's best not to vary the SG more than a couple of points on the SG scale at any
one time (i.e., SG 1.010 to 1.012 is fine, but 1.010 to 1.018 not so much).>
Another question. My Gymnothorax tile lives in high-end brackish but what is
their environment like out where they live if they're from Asia?
<The problem here is that they are almost certainly migratory, like most large
brackish water fish. So there's no "perfect" habitat. These morays are found --
as adults -- in completely freshwater as well as in the sea, and they seem to
move about between the upper and lower estuary. They're neither completely
saltwater fish nor true freshwater fish, but something in between. That said,
like a lot of eels, their main habitat is murky, muddy water where their ability
to burrow, negotiate rubble and locate food under poor visibility conditions is
useful. A typical environment would probably be sticky mud at the bottom, murky
water, large rocks and waterlogged tree trunks, and rocky reefs. Hardly
attractive for an aquarium!>
Will any aquatic plants survive in the brackish water, and what kind of
decoration should be used to make it look like Gymnothorax tile habitat?
<There are brackish water plants, such as Cryptocoryne ciliata and Crinum
calamistratum in the trade, as well as the very hardy Java fern that does well
in brackish water, but there's little point to using them. They aren't authentic
for the sorts of habitats these eels will be living in. Eels favour dark, murky
places and they don't like bright light. Much better to create something with a
tall, rocky reef-like structure so the eel can hide and wind itself around.
These eels don't so much swim as slither through things, and the more 3D the
aquarium, the better. Big mounds of holey rocks would probably work very nicely.
Something like a reef tank arrangement. What you want to avoid is anything too
rough and definitely nothing unstable, as these fish are quite powerful and
excellent diggers. I'd personally be looking at an oyster reef habitat. These
are really important environments in brackish water habitats and easy to
replicate. Simply gather lots of oyster shells (easy enough to buy as food, if
nothing else) and use silicone to cement them to some sort of rock, such as tufa
rock.>
I'm thinking that if I make it as naturalistic as possible he'll live longer
than what is usually achieved in captivity.
<A good approach. The reason these eels don't survive is not really a mystery. A
few things seem consistent. Keeping them in too-low a salinity doesn't help, and
usually leads to hunger strikes. So at least SG 1.005 is required, and probably
SG 1.010 for best results. On the other hand, there's no evidence they "swim out
to sea" when mature, so keeping them in saltwater tanks likely isn't required
provided the salinity is at least at or above SG 1.010. Diet is another factor.
With these eels, and indeed any other predatory fish, I'm a fan of the "little
but often" approach. Yes, you can feed them a big prawn one day and skip the
next. But the risk with predatory fish is they regurgitate the food and pollute
the tank. I'd sooner give small morsels each night, so that there's no risk of
major pollution. At SG 1.010 upwards you can use a protein skimmer with success.
While not crucial, these devices to help manage the nitrate by removing organic
waste from meaty foods before they decay. So in the long run, a skimmer can end
up saving you money by reducing the frequency of water changes. Of course, you
still need to aim for the same relatively low nitrate level (I'd suggest <50
mg/l) but generally morays are fairly tolerant of this. Hope this helps, Neale>
Re: Gymnothorax tile tumors. Malnutrition?
- 10/07/2007
The eel's tumors are gone! I appreciate your advice very much. There has
been a lot of success with keeping him healthy, along with some noticeable
growth in size. His food has been injected with the appropriate supplements as
well. The need for a new tank is growing, and I believe I could probably get him
a new one in the next few months. Adding another question, I found this little
packet in the LFS called "Phosphate-X" or "Phos-X." Something like that name.
The description on the label says it absorbs phosphate, nitrates, and nitrites.
I don't rely on this little packet about the size of a sticky-note and still
perform water changes, I was only wondering if it helped. On a different matter,
the eel eats about twice a week based on the information I found on your
website. I used to offer krill that was accepted from time to time but read that
it wasn't good for the eel and promptly stopped feeding that. Silversides have
been a new favorite alongside shrimp, and squid are accepted when the eel feels
like eating them. (the food is removed after a few hours as you suggested as not
to pollute the water) I'd like him to live as long as possible, so I've done
everything I can, and will continue to do so. The brackish water isn't rotting
the wood so far, and the salinity is as you suggested. While on that, is there
anything better than a regular hydrometer? Perhaps something electronic?
<A hydrometer is fine for brackish water fish. Any inaccuracy will be well
within the tolerances of the fish. In fact, most brackish water fish like a bit
of variation from time to time. But your filter isn't quite so accommodating, so
it's best not to vary the SG more than a couple of points on the SG scale at any
one time (i.e., SG 1.010 to 1.012 is fine, but 1.010 to 1.018 not so much).>
Another question. My Gymnothorax tile lives in high-end brackish but what is
their environment like out where they live if they're from Asia?
<The problem here is that they are almost certainly migratory, like most large
brackish water fish. So there's no "perfect" habitat. These morays are found --
as adults -- in completely freshwater as well as in the sea, and they seem to
move about between the upper and lower estuary. They're neither completely
saltwater fish nor true freshwater fish, but something in between. That said,
like a lot of eels, their main habitat is murky, muddy water where their ability
to burrow, negotiate rubble and locate food under poor visibility conditions is
useful. A typical environment would probably be sticky mud at the bottom, murky
water, large rocks and waterlogged tree trunks, and rocky reefs. Hardly
attractive for an aquarium!>
Will any aquatic plants survive in the brackish water, and what kind of
decoration should be used to make it look like Gymnothorax tile habitat?
<There are brackish water plants, such as Cryptocoryne ciliata and Crinum
calamistratum in the trade, as well as the very hardy Java fern that does well
in brackish water, but there's little point to using them. They aren't authentic
for the sorts of habitats these eels will be living in. Eels favour dark, murky
places and they don't like bright light. Much better to create something with a
tall, rocky reef-like structure so the eel can hide and wind itself around.
These eels don't so much swim as slither through things, and the more 3D the
aquarium, the better. Big mounds of holey rocks would probably work very nicely.
Something like a reef tank arrangement. What you want to avoid is anything too
rough and definitely nothing unstable, as these fish are quite powerful and
excellent diggers. I'd personally be looking at an oyster reef habitat. These
are really important environments in brackish water habitats and easy to
replicate. Simply gather lots of oyster shells (easy enough to buy as food, if
nothing else) and use silicone to cement them to some sort of rock, such as tufa
rock.>
I'm thinking that if I make it as naturalistic as possible he'll live longer
than what is usually achieved in captivity.
<A good approach. The reason these eels don't survive is not really a mystery. A
few things seem consistent. Keeping them in too-low a salinity doesn't help, and
usually leads to hunger strikes. So at least SG 1.005 is required, and probably
SG 1.010 for best results. On the other hand, there's no evidence they "swim out
to sea" when mature, so keeping them in saltwater tanks likely isn't required
provided the salinity is at least at or above SG 1.010. Diet is another factor.
With these eels, and indeed any other predatory fish, I'm a fan of the "little
but often" approach. Yes, you can feed them a big prawn one day and skip the
next. But the risk with predatory fish is they regurgitate the food and pollute
the tank. I'd sooner give small morsels each night, so that there's no risk of
major pollution. At SG 1.010 upwards you can use a protein skimmer with success.
While not crucial, these devices to help manage the nitrate by removing organic
waste from meaty foods before they decay. So in the long run, a skimmer can end
up saving you money by reducing the frequency of water changes. Of course, you
still need to aim for the same relatively low nitrate level (I'd suggest <50
mg/l) but generally morays are fairly tolerant of this. Hope this helps, Neale>
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Green Headed Moray Ill. Moray with zig zag
line – 06/14/07
My son has a green headed moray that is about two feet long. <Green headed
moray is not among those common names I am aware of and there are several
species referred to as yellow headed morays or green morays. Possibly this
species is Gymnothorax undulatus and can be seen at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/moraysii.htm ,
http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=4905 .> We have had
him for about four years in a 100 gal tank with a Niger. Just recently we
noticed that it has a white zig zag line under its neck. The line is under its
skin and about 3 inches long. The eel is acting normal and has never been sick.
Please help, we can’t figure out what the line is and how to get rid of it.
<A picture of the line and a confirmation of the species ID would have been
helpful for a diagnosis. While the so called lateral line organ is visible as a
row of pores at some species, it is also possible your moray is infected with
worms (nematodes) living in its skin. See
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/moraydisfaqs.htm , scroll down to subcutaneous worms
(medication is also recommended there) and compare. Praziquantel could work, as
may other products against worms. Beware that many of those should not be used
in a system with invertebrates or live rock.>
Thanks. Heather.
<Glad to assist. Marco.>
Re: Moray with zig zag line II – 06/15/07
Hello again. <Hi.> Thank you for the link. <No problem.> You are correct the
eel is a Gymnothorax undulatus and the picture of the worms on your site are
exactly what he has. How nasty! How did he get them and how can I stop him from
getting them again once I get rid of them?
<Worm infections most often occur with wild-caught fishes. Many worms are unable
to complete complex life cycles in aquaria, but a good (and unknown) number
remains. Since the moray eel was in your tank for 4 years without obvious
infection, I can only guess the parasitic worms (probably as eggs) were
introduced with some (most likely) live material. It is also possible other fish
were infected and the worms were able to lay eggs and infect the moray. Some of
them are also live bearers. A seemingly less probable scenario would be that the
worm eggs were introduced by frozen or live food. If you observed how fast those
lines grow, you can estimate when the infection started and thus (knowing what
you fed or added to the system) decrease the number of possible sources until
hopefully finding a definite answer on how the worms were introduced. If you
know the source of the eggs, you should be able to avoid it in the future.>
Thank you so much, at least now we know how to treat him.
<Good luck. I hope the treatment works. Cheers, Marco.>
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Green
moray - loss of slime coat – 5/25/07
Have been
referred to you all for help. Moray eel is very sick.
<I fear it looks pretty bad.>
I came home today and the pump had lost its siphon. The tank temp (210
gal) had risen to 85 deg. My wife called me and told me that the eel was
swimming near the top of the tank and swimming erratically. Fixed pump
issue water moving slowly back down (81 now). Eel laying on bottom
upside down breathing slowly but looking very bad. The thing I notice is
that he is usually dark green but is now VERY PURPLE. I have included a
link of a pic (color not really good enough to see). But he is still
green near top and purple down the rest of his body.
<Green morays in fact are rather blue. Due to their mucous coat, which
is a little yellow, they appear green. Your specimen has lost its coat
possibly due to an accident with the pump, which also resulted in the
loss of the siphon.>
Couple of white spots on him make me think the pump thing today just
stirred him up and he may have gotten hit by the Foxface.
<If those white spots are salt grain like see WWM re Cryptocaryon, this
would be an alternate explanation for the loss of the mucous coat. If it
is crypt consider a hyposalinity treatment in another tank.>
He is also shriveled up like your hand would be if it were under water
too long. Please let me know if this is something you have heard of
before and can point me in the right direction. Thanks for
wetwebmedia, where I have probably learned more about marine life than
anywhere else!
<In case of an accident with the pump, there is not much that you can do
except hoping that it will pull through and ensuring that the other fish
do not pick at the moray eel. In case of crypt go for hyposalinity.
Green morays (at least the Atlantic G. funebris) can be found in
brackish waters and river mouths, while the parasites (at least the free
stages) have serious problems with low salinity. I'm glad you like the
site and wish the best for you and your eel. Marco.>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mitchelliii/512800176/
Link above is a pic.
Everything else in the tank - clown, Foxface, and royal Gramma is doing
fine (albeit hovering over the eel some) 0 Ammonia, 0 nitrite, 0
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Moray Eel with Eye Issue 4/22/07
I have a 24" Fimbriated moray. He recently was moved to a 40 gallon tank
because he has been extremely aggressive.
<Much too small a volume for this specimen, species... not able to be kept
stable/filtered... This fish is a piscivore (and eats crustaceans)...
http://wetwebmedia.com/moraysii.htm>
Anyway the move went well he settled in well. That night he jumped out of the
tank.
<...>
I found him on the brink of death, dried up. I put him back in the tank and
since then his eyes have looked different. Okay the tank is newly cycled, but
nitrates are present, high, at 100 ppm.
<Way too high...>
There is no ammonia or nitrite. I cycled the tank by using old water, old
sand, old filter media.
<Good>
The result was virtually no waiting for cycling but high nitrates that need to
be worked on. However he was accustomed to this exact water environment in his
previous home. He shed a layer of skin after he jumped out but didn't appear
overly stressed for such an ordeal. But his eyes have changed. His entire eye
used to be a purple color. The entire eye area up to the edges. Now when I
look closely the purple area has shrunk. It would look on a person like the
pupil was half
its normal size. However the light is dimmer in this tank, so if it were like a
person, the pupil would have been larger? How do fish eyes work?
<What do you want to know? Most fishes can "see"/register some color... do have
focusable lenses...>
Does he have a pupil that adjusts in size.
<Yes>
Did the prolonged air exposure when he jumped out damage the eye?
<Yes>
Is it some kind of stress response? Should I be worried?
<Yes and yes... if this causes you to action...>
He has eaten since the move to this tank but not heartily. Please let me know
what you think.
Worried Pet Owner
<Translate that concern into activity... move this fish to more adequate
quarters... larger volume, solid/escape-proof top, sufficient filtration... no
more than 20 ppm. nitrate... All covered on... WWM. Bob Fenner>
Help... Moray hlth... no useful info. 4/4/07
Dear bob
<Angie>
I have a golden moray eel and would appreciate your help. He is about 6 months
old, and his symptoms are;
He has lost his teeth
<!?>
His mouth is red and sore where his teeth were
He hasn't eaten for approx 3 weeks
<I can understand why!>
He has lost a bit of colour only on his head and neck
I am having great difficulty in finding somebody who knows anything about eels.
The place where I bought him from have given "SeaCure" copper treatment,
<Mmm... see WWM re Muraenids and Cu... not generally a good idea>
however I have read a book on morays and specifies that you should never use a
non- chelated copper- based medication.
<Not good with Eels, no>
I am not sure if
sea cure
<A proper noun... product of Aquarium Systems... is capitalized>
is chelated or not.
<Is not... is copper sulfate... As stated on WWM... their website...>
Although the main tanks water parameters have always been fine,
<... uninformative>
we have moved him now to a quarantine tank. We have given one dose of the
medication so far we are supposed to give it a further 2 days.
<Of what?>
I would appreciate any advice you could give, and also do you have any contacts
in England whom I could telephone as I stated before I cant find any one and
don't really no where I should be looking.
Alex Symcox
<Need much more information than you have presented here... How did this animal
lose its teeth? What have you tried to feed it... what re its system,
maintenance... I would not expose this animal to Copper compounds (for what
purpose?), nor keep it in quarantine... too stressful... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/moraydisfaqs.htm
and the linked files above... Am hopeful this scanning will reveal to you the
sorts of data we're looking for... that you'll have a clearer understanding of
your options... Read, act now. Bob Fenner>
Re: help... Moray hlth... Still no useful info. 4/12/07
HI in
Answer to your questions we do not have any idea why or how he lost his teeth we
are trying to feed him gamma
<A Brand... still a proper noun uncapitalized...>
fish which is what he ate before.
We put him in his own tank so we could give him the medicine that the shop
suggested because we did not want the other fish to be exposed to it.
What do you think we should do to try and get him to feed ?
<What? Apply yourself... Please read where you were referred to on the 4th...
There is still nothing useful in the way of data presented here. BobF>
Re: Snowflake eel, blue tang, convict tang III; need a hospital tank for
proper ich treatment; how to catch an eel 03/06/07
Hi WWM, I treated the blue tang with tri-sulfa and some spots disappeared,
but he
started scratching again. I do not have a hospital tank, so what else can I do
and are corals
classified as invertebrates.
<See last email. Your corals are invertebrates and without a hospital tank,
there is not much you can do without harming or killing them. Please read the
WWM link sent in the last email. The life cycle of marine ich and the so far
known methods of treatment are described there. Another good article is
http://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/library/hospital/swich/.>
If I choose to do hyposalinity what should I lower the salinity to?
<Specific gravity of 1.009 for four weeks, but your corals will not enjoy that.
Only use hyposalinity in a tank without invertebrates.>
I am going to try and catch the eel, and are there any other ways of catching a
snowflake eel then pulling apart the rockwork?
<A clean bottle with a small piece of its favourite food and an opening large
enough. Bury it in the substrate. Watch at night. Chances are good you will find
your eel sitting in the bottle. Close the bottle under water without getting
bitten and transfer him carefully to a plastic bag for transport.>
Thanks, Maison
<Welcome. Marco.>
Concern for Hawaiian Dragon... beh., hlth.
1/24/07
I purchased a 20" dragon for my LFS and he is currently in QT at the LFS. I
go up there almost everyday and feed on Wed and Sat (grouper, snapper,
shrimp). I have noticed that sometimes he is only using one pouch to breath.
<Not atypical... not a large concern>
I have smaller eels at home and they have never done this so I am really
concerned. The guys at the LFS don't know a whole lot about eels and I am
getting scared. Please Help!!! Thanks D
<I would not hold off on buying, moving this Moray on this basis, and would feed
it more like twice a week at this size. Bob Fenner>
Upside down Eel Gymnothorax miliaris
1/21/07
I really appreciate your site. Your effort has created an excellent resource.
<Thank you>
I have a 12" Fire Coral Eel (Gymnothorax miliaris) in a 50 gallon refugium
attached to an 80 gallon reef tank.
Salinity 1.022, Nitrate 0, Phosphate 1, Calcium 450-500, dKH 13, PH 8.4 temp
72-77
After a year and a half in the tank alone (ok well you are never really alone in
an algal scrubber) he has come down with some odd disease, injury, or who knows
what.
I came home to find him laying upside down in a rock crevice writhing a bit.
I thought he may have caused a rockslide in the medium sized outcropping he
lives in, but I am not sure.
He did manage to wear the flesh off on his rostral ridge (between eyes and tip
of nose). He has a hard time swimming upright or forward, loves to be upside
down, tends to bend his body in half and then swim forward. Very lethargic and
breathing heavy, but not too heavy. Faded white when lights come on, then color
returns. (normal I believe)
I think its diet may be a little narrow. I was able to feed him one silver side
two days ago. I have since procured some shrimp and scallops that he has yet to
accept.
Just trying to keep him eating if I can. I took this creature in to save it from
a friend's horde of monster eels in his show tanks. It has been a great pet and
will rest in one hand and eat from another.
Also likes to be pet. perhaps I have a dog and need new glasses ;)
Something is just jacked up with this poor guy/girl.. I have addressed the
temperature swing so as to keep it stable at 76-77. I may have had a small PH
drop after a large algae export and water change.
I did introduce a few mithrax crabs in the main tank about 3-4 weeks ago.
Really nothing has changed that significantly in the tank in a while. a long
while.
Not sure what to do beyond trying to make him as comfortable as possible. his
erratic behavior has led me to actually try to grab him. he looks dead sometimes
but is always breathing.
When I have grabbed him he had the energy to give a strong fight and get out of
my med-light grip. Of course then he is hacked off and I try to shove some food
in his open mouth.
Other than the missing patch of skin he looks fine. Eyes are clear, yet seems a
little blind. more so than usual.
Wondering when I should pull the Ginsu out and make some smoked eel sushi.
Just kidding. although it is really good ;)
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Have a great weekend!
Shaun Drutar
<Spaces twixt your sentences, the beginnings capitalized... Don't know what has
gone wrong here Shaun, but the symptoms you list are definitely bad... If
possible I would move this fish to another setting... in the hopes that if that
something amiss is environmental, it will be solved thus. I do think changing
the diet up is a good idea... and I would soak such foods with Selcon or
equivalent. Bob Fenner>
Re: upside down Eel Gymnothorax miliaris
1/23/07
Hello and thanks for the reply below.
I have uploaded a few pictures...kind of blurry...to :
http://www.drutar.com/weblog/blogger.html
Perhaps this might be more helpful...
I really appreciate all that you guys do!
Shaun Drutar
<... looks bad... You have read on WWM re Moray Disease and systems? Bob
Fenner> |
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Re: upside down Eel Gymnothorax miliaris, & Formalin use
1/24/07
Hello,
<Hi again>
I have read through Moray diseases and systems, but at that time the Eel
was not displaying symptoms as visible as these and I was on a different
path.
<I see>
I am off to dig some more...wish me luck...or better yet the Eel...
<I do>
...ok...Looks like he may have a secondary crypto infection... From what
I have read formalin may be the way to go.
<Mmm, no>
I have dealt with ich a number of times in the past few years... seems
one local shop's livestock is regularly contaminated.
<Mmm, yes>
I usually raise temp, drop salinity, soak food in garlic, etc...
<Good>
This incident seems to warrant formalin treatment as this poor guy is so
weak...
<Maybe...>
I can't seem to find data indicating the compatibility of formalin and
corals,
<Assuredly they are NOT compatible... See WWM re formalin period>
I am going to assume it is not reef safe... so I will have to disconnect
this refugium from the main tank. Still digging though.
Thanks again,
Shaun Drutar
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Re: upside down Eel Gymnothorax miliaris 1/26/07
Good day Bob,
<Shaun>
Looks like my recent removal of a significant amount of algae from the refugium
may be the true culprit.
<Really?>
I found one posting about similar situations and the idea that low oxygen
concentrations hit me.
I added an air stone this morning and while he is not out of the woods yet it
seems that his breathing may be getting stronger and more rhythmic.
<Better>
This may be the explanation for the zombie like behavior and lethargy...plus its
desire to leave the tank...he tried to enter the main tank through the overflow
pipe...after almost a year and a half of residence.
I am holding off on any other changes at this time. I do not plan to medicate.
<Good idea>
Thanks again,
Shaun Drutar
<Thank you for this update. BobF>
Sick eel 12/23/06
Seasons Greetings,
<Ho, ho, ho!>
Well, the season will not be so good if I can't figure out whats wrong
with my eel. I have a 55 gallon tank with a blackedge, a purple tang,
and a Naso tang.
<!>
Understandably the tank is a overcrowded, but I have had the tank in its
current situation for three years now.
<Still... ridiculous arrangement for these species>
About two weeks ago my eel started developing theses gray marks on his
skin and recently he has been acting erratically. He has exhibited
symptoms similar to ones that other people have reported with their
eels, such as twitching, and sometimes erratic swimming, in short
spurts. There has also been times that he has completed laid "sprawled
out" with no activity at all. He has stopped eating completely. On the
subject of eating, when I first got him he ate krill, shrimp, scallops,
squid and loved silversides. Over the past 2 years, he has only eaten
krill, and will not touch anything else. I have tried hand feeding him
the krill and he will not take it.
<Yes... really time catching up with you, it...>
I checked out the tank levels, and all appear to be normal, (nitrites,
ammonia, ph, nitrates). I done water changes, and tried Melafix, as well
as pima fix in case of a bacterial or fungal infection with no
improvement, and have also done water changes. The other fish seem
unaffected by what's going on. In the past two days he has developed a
creamish white circle on his head. I can't figure out what's wrong or
what else to do. Enclosed are pictures of the eel. Any advice would be
appreciated.
<Move this animal, and the rest of your livestock... to much larger
quarters... at least 150 gallons... This situation will cure itself
there. Bob Fenner> |
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Sick moray - 5/12/2006
Hello WWM crew,
<GSD Leader Pup>
It's been a long while since I have had to write you. Many years ago Mr.
Fenner ID'd my saltwater moray eel as a Siderea Pictus, now known as a
Gymnothorax Pictus. I have had the eel nearly 6 years and he is approx. 2'9" in
length. He has always been extremely healthy and active, not reclusive at all
like I have read many eel species are.
<Yes>
His diet consists of most any meaty frozen food (he is not fed feeder fish of
any type). He eats: krill, silversides, bloodworms, beef heart, brine shrimp, a
little veggie based frozen food once in awhile, mysis shrimp, etc. You name it,
he'll eat it. The tank is a 75 gallon (standard 4' by 18") that houses only him
and is filtered by a Fluval 403. It has been set up and running with him for the
length of time I've owned him. I've never had any problems, he's never been
sick. The tank parameters test out perfect: zero ammonia, zero nitrite, very low
(safe level) of nitrate. Salinity is within the normal range as well. In short,
nothing has changed in this tank or eels care and he is suddenly rather sick. He
was not a juvenile when I purchased him, so I am unsure of his exact age. Given
his size, it's my belief that he was stunted prior to my ownership of him and
could be older than I would think. I'm estimating him around 10 years of age
based on prior information.
Now, to get to the problem...
He's going downhill, and fast. I noticed the last couple of days he's been
behaving a little oddly, but nothing so extreme as to cause me to worry much.
He's very "friendly" and rather tame, so he will come right up to the glass. I
noticed he has some little areas near his gill opening that look like they are
holes in his body, like the skin is rotting away. His eyes are getting cloudy
(does not look like pop eye - maybe the beginning of it though?) and there are
little tufts of eye covering that seem to be coming off. He also has little tiny
pieces of skin around his facial area that are scruffing as well.
He acts disoriented and hardly responded to a feeding, much less ate. He is
listless and gives a little "shiver" on a regular basis. He's also open mouthed
gaping on a regular basis, though oxygenation should be fine since he's been
healthy for the last 5 1/2 years.
The only medication I had that seemed to fit his descriptions was "Clout" by
"Aquarium Products." It advised treatment of one tablet per 10 gallons. It's a
75g tank, so I put 7 tablets in. I retreated the tank last night and will do so
again tonight.
<I would not use this on/with true eels, including Muraenids of course>
If you have any advice or suggestions as to what may be causing this, I would
greatly appreciate it. I suspect he is too far gone to save, but I would like to
try anyway. Thanks in advance.
<Very likely the root cause of trouble here is environmental... a dearth of
ready/soluble biomineral and alkalinity in your water... I advise actually
temporarily removing the eel, retaining a good part of the water, dumping the
tank of gravel, replacing this and whatever else you might want to change at
this time, returning the eel and the old water, topping off with new, and
running several ounces of good activated carbon, Chemi-pure or equivalent in
your canister filter... Stat.! Bob Fenner>
Urgent help re. moray 4/12/06
Please help! 'Morris' the moray seems to be on his last legs, as he very
lethargic and just seems to be panting his last breaths. From reading your
information it sounds as though he may have been poisoned by our rather 'stressy'
lion fish.
<Perhaps>
Is there anything we can do to save him or is it kinder to put him out of his
misery?
<I would wait till "the bitter end" here. Morays are remarkably resilient. May
well "pull through">
The other fish seem okay, perhaps he was the only one close enough to be
poisoned?
<Not likely. Either poked, or all will be similarly mal-affected. Something else
may be at fault here. I would at least execute at 25% water change and add
activated carbon to your filter flow path>
Please help ASAP, it's breaking my heart, he is longest member of the family!
Thanks so much, Heidi
<Do this NOW! Bob Fenner>
Saltwater questions: Epaulette and Snowflake Eel
2/23/06
Hi Bob,
<Joseph>
I have a few questions to clarify some issues which I have not been able to find
an answer to on your website.
Firstly, the article on Zebra Moray Eels suggests a simple freshwater dip for
new arrivals, instead of the usual 2-3 weeks quarantine. Can this
general rule-of-thumb be applied to Snowflake Eels given their close relation
with each-other?
<Mmm, I wouldn't actually dip either one of these. Muraenids in general don't
have difficulties that freshwater dips/baths help with... are generally "too
slimy" to have external complaints coming from the wild... I would quarantine
unless the specimen/s appeared in perfect health>
Secondly, I am considering buying a juvenile Epaulette Shark for my 850 Litre,
8' tank. I was hoping you might shed some light on what quarantine procedure I
should use.
<Mmm, most sharks I'd skip actual quarantine on in hobbyist settings (different
from much larger commercial, public settings)... as the likely damage from such
is probably much more than it's worth>
I have a 40 litre (10g) quarantine tank however I feel that the stress caused
from placing the shark in such a confined tank may outweigh the benefits gained
from quarantining.
<Agreed>
From what I have learned, keeping stress to a minimum may (arguably) be the
single most important factor in a successful introduction of livestock.
<Most cases, yes>
Am I on the right track??? Perhaps a simple freshwater dip is enough?
<I would skip dipping most sharks, most scenarios as well>
And how should I handle the shark when placing it into the tank? Should I use a
large net, or gently lift with gloved hands?
<Yes... this and/or a wet-towel>
Thirdly, in regards to my quarantine tank, is it reasonable to expect to be
doing small (10%) water changes (with main system water) every few days to
manage the water quality (i.e. ammonia/nitrites/nitrates)?
<Often, yes... daily...>
I understand that small tanks are almost guaranteed to be highly susceptible to
a large variation in water chemistry in a short period of time?
<Unfortunately, yes.... To be guarded against>
Finally (thanks for putting up with so many questions), when carrying out
freshwater dips I use a product called Bactonex from Aquasonic and each mL
of this solution contains 1.66mg Aminacrine Hydrochloride and 0.025mg of
Methylene Blue.. In your opinion, is this a suitable dip?
<Is more helpful than none>
Thank you immensely for taking the time to answer..
Joe
(Sydney, Australia)
<And you for writing, and so well. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Sick Eel, No - Injured & Hunger Strike = Typical
Behavior
Hi Crew,
<Steve>
I have a rather large (I would guess about 3 feet long) Snowflake Eel whom I have had for several years.
<Neat animals>
A little over a month ago he stopped eating and pretty much went into hiding.
<Happens>
At first I wasn't too concerned because he has done this before and always pulled out of it.
But this is the longest it has gone on and today he finally came out of hiding and I saw something disturbing on him. His right gill isn't
opening, so he's only breathing on one side. (I don't think I would have much of an appetite if I had a collapsed lung either.)
<No lungs, and likely not a problem>
Furthermore, that whole side of his body seems to be deteriorated, I attached a picture.
<Nice pic. Looks like a "simple" mechanical injury to me... a gouge if you will...>
After reading the FAQs I'm afraid it may be from me not feeding him a properly balanced diet. I regularly fed him raw shrimp (human edible
grade shrimp) and occasionally krill.. but I didn't do that too often because it's very messy and the shrimp is nice and clean.
I don't think he's ready to kick the bucket yet because he still keeps his head up (i.e. he doesn't just lay on the rocks waiting to die) and
he has started moving around more, but I don't know what to do about him not eating. Once a week or so, I've been waving some shrimp in his
face (with tongs of course) with no success. Is there anything that
can be done for him?
<Mmm, really... just patience at this point... an Echidna nebulosa of this size can go w/o feeding for months (really), and yours looks to be in good shape otherwise...>
I've been considering getting some live ghost shrimp to see if that will entice him to eat, but I'm afraid my clown
fish will just pick at the shrimp and make me watch them suffer.
<I'd try the shrimp... and adding vitamins to the water, food>
If I can get him eating again, can you suggest some other foods that are relatively clean (like shrimp) that would give him some variety in his
diet? Thank you. Steve Weatherly
<Most any live to fresh, frozen/defrosted crustaceans are worth trying. Bob Fenner> |
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