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FAQs about Caryophyllid Coral Disease,
Pests, Predation 7
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Question: Bubble Coral Skeleton,
no data of use 10/3/08 Hi there!
<Mindy> I've had 1 small and 1 medium sized bubble coral in my nano
cube for about 4 months now. They've been doing just fine at the bottom
of the sand bed until recently. I've noticed that the flesh covering
their skeletons have begun to recede and it seems like some algae has
started growing over those areas. <I see this in your photo>
Their flesh will no longer expand over the skeleton where the algae has
grown. I've included a picture of one of them for your reference. I
asked my LFS what could be causing this, and he said it's possible
they're being hit with too strong of a current, causing the fleshy parts
to recede and make the skeletons visible. <Mmm, possibly, but
doubtful this is the root cause here> I've since changed the
direction of the current so it does not affect them too much. What can I
do about the algae growth on their skeletons? <Improve conditions,
feeding...> I'm afraid to try to rub it off, <I would NOT do this>
I don't want to irritate the bubble corals. And is it possible to add
trace supplements like iodine to the tank to help the corals heal and
grow their skeletons? <Oh yes> Please advise. Thanks so much for
your help! Mindy <Please learn to/use the search tool, indices on
WWM... For today, start reading here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/carydisfaqs.htm and the linked files above.
You don't state anything re water quality, lighting, feeding... Read re
the requirements of Plerogyra... Bob Fenner>
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Torch coral damaged? Cnid. incomp., reading
-09/03/08 Hello guys, Can
someone please have a look at this picture of my Torch coral? It
seems to have either holes or black dots. <I see these... damaged
areas> My Hammer coral seems to be doing fine, <Oops... likely
stinging this other Euphylliid> but lately, this Torch has been
opening a lot less than usual. this morning I noticed this apparent
damage and am quite concerned. Thanks so much for taking the time.
water: ph 8.2 Alk 1.7 calcium 400 ammonia 0 nitrites 0.05
nitrates 2 - 2.5 SG 1.025 temp 78-80 <... read:
http://wetwebmedia.com/carycompfaqs.htm and
http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm and the linked files above.
Bob Fenner>
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dying bubble coral? Reading? –
07/21/08
I have a 6 month old BioCube 29, with 2 percs, hammer coral, modern brain,
<? Trachyphyllia?>
frogspawn, polyps, and a big bubble coral.
<... all in a 29 cube?>
For some reason it looks like the bubble coral is detaching from it skeleton.
<Likely>
We feed the coral calcium and iodine every week.
<? Added how?>
I target feed every other day. I feed Cyclop-Eeze and PhytoPlex everyday. I'm
just super confused as to why he would be dying...the clowns don't host him, he
gets fed, get enough light. Any insight?
<Allelopathy... Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and the linked files above, and re each of the species of Cnidarians you list...
Likely the Euphyllia is the "winner" here, but could be whatever you're
referring to as "polyps"... Bob Fenner>
Torch Coral, Deceptive Retailing - 6/20/08
Hello,
<Hello Jasen!>
I purchased a branching torch coral from a LFS and did not see the guy add it to
the bag.
<Uh-oh...Monday night quarterbacking: Always watch>
I got the coral home and the skeleton is smashed. They had all the pieces stuck
in some PVC pipe so it looked normal. The tentacles were all expanded nicely. I
placed the parts in some rock crevices, but I have little faith it will survive.
<Provided the polyps didn't lacerate themselves beyond recognition in the bag,
they should be okay...skeleton is only dead calcium carbonate>
One piece may still have the mouth. I called the store and they stated that once
it is paid for its mine.
<Policy is policy, but I wouldn't visit them again- and consider spreading the
word about their business practice. Word of mouth makes good shops, and breaks
the bad ones>
This will be my last purchase there. Any idea would be appreciated.
<If the polyps are damaged, pristine water quality and water flow may help heal
them, as well as supplementation of iodine in their general direction.>
Thanks, Jasen
<No problem. Good luck with your coral. Benjamin>
Euphyllia Health issues / hitch hiker
ID... likely allelopathy, env. 6/9/08
Crew,
<Mick>
Having some sort of problem with several Euphyllia species in my 180
reef system.
temp: 26°c
SG: 1.023
<A bit low... I'd raise to 1.025>
Ph: 8.2 (evening) 8.1 (morning)
Ammonia: undetectable
Nitrite: undetectable
Nitrate: undetectable
Phosphate: undetectable (but not using any phosphate reducers/absorbers)
<Good>
Alk: 12°dKH
Ca++: :460ppm
<A bit high... raised how?>
Lighting - barely adequate, but more on the way.
<Good>
Skimmer "Aqua Vital AKS-388" - makes about a cup of tea coloured liquid
containing a thick film of hard brown slime per week.
<Not familiar with this make/model... neither is Google evidently>
Tank, 180 us gal, sump/fuge approx 20 gal with DSB and algae ball
(unknown species) about 6500L/Hr flow.
80-100Kg Liverock
Fish:
6 Green Chromis
1 Yellow Tail Blue Chromis
1 Zebra Dartfish
1 Coral Beauty
1 lawnmower (jeweled?) Blenny
1 Pr Cinnamon Clownfish (spawn approx every 3 weeks, but not attempting
to breed/raise offspring (yet) - so any babies end up as
zooplankton/food I guess)
1 Foxface Rabbitfish
1 female Blue Chin Trigger - the male of the pair managed to dislodge a
rock and crush himself :o(
1 Rainford's Goby
1 Aracanthus Spp tang.
Inverts:
1 Euphyllia Ancora
5 Euphyllia Glabrescens
1 colony Duncanopsammia
1 Caulastrea Furcata
4x Goniopora - (only one of which is doing well - the other 3 came from
another system elsewhere that had a massive ammonia "event", bleached
and don't appear to be improving)
<Mmm... this Goniopora health, presence is likely involved here...>
3 Trachyphyllia spp
1 Cynarina Lachrymals
2 Lobophyllia Spp.
a few dozen assorted Zoanthids.
<Can be too toxic...>
1 Pencil Urchin
Several assorted Snails.
This particular tank was only assembled in march 08, but all livestock,
live rock and about 1/2 the substrate came from an old 55 that I had to
remove.
The Trachyphyllia, Lobophyllia and Cynarina were not put in as corals -
but live rock. they have come back from the dead.
<A good sign>
My problem is that ALL of the Euphyllia species I have in the last week
have gone from normal, apparently healthy specimens to retracted and
dying. So far the largest Ancora has only about 50% of the colony left,
and of the Glabrescens 1 is all but dead, 2 are very withdrawn into
their skeletons - don't even respond to direct feeding (even brine
shrimp escape them -fresh or frozen) the others seem slightly deflated
but otherwise still extend and still feed. tonight whilst doing my
normal maintenance I noticed multiple "flatworms" (possibly
Pseudoceros/Pseudobiceros Spp?
<Mmm, not likely... summat else>
pic attached) I'm wondering if these are part of the problem - I found
them on the edge of the Ancora where the polyp meets the skeleton, they
camouflaged quite well - I can only see them as they cross the skeleton
to another polyp. Can you learned Guys' Gals identify these, and if they
are coral predators, what do I do about them?
<Maybe nothing... I suspect their presence, influence is secondary here.
But do read: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pestflatwrmanthony.htm
and the linked files above>
Also attached are pics of the ancora, glabrescens and gonopodia - I
don't think there's much hope for the latter, but any advice that may
save it would be greatly appreciated.
<These Scleractinians could all "rally", as long as there is some live
tissue to them... I would move the Euphylliids... to another system,
pronto. Read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and the linked files above. I suspect the members of this genus are
largely losing to other Cnidarians here... all would/could be helped by
the added lighting, chemical filtration, an increase in RedOx... as
you'll find by reading. Bob Fenner>
TIA
Mick T |
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Re: Euphyllia Health issues / hitch hiker ID
- 06/09/2008
Hi Bob,
Thanks for your fast and informative reply. I thought I had looked through the
WWM, but that link was one I hadn't read - such a vast resource you and the crew
have created here, I'm sure there are millions of fish (and aquarists) worldwide
who owe their existence to you.
<Ahh!>
I don't usually add anything to raise calcium or carbonate - I have on hand "red
sea calcium +3" and "SeaChem reef builder" and good old sodium bicarbonate, but
hardly ever have to use them, water changes and my filter/DSB seem to be keeping
up. (filter path is - mechanical floss, carbon (just added today) 1" bed of
aragonite the water flows down through, 10"bed of aragonite that water flows
across (my DSB), then out into the refugium (where the heater and skimmer is
located - couldn't fit it anywhere else!) (fuge contains another aragonite bed,
maybe 3", and some algae 24 hrs lighting), then over an overflow into the pump
chamber.
<I see>
Hopefully my new set of T5HO's will arrive tomorrow, should do wonders on the
lighting front.
<Agreed>
BTW, skimmer is an Via-Aqua SK388, not as previously written, works ok, but
there are better skimmers out there (maybe will replace with a HOB type so I
have more room in the fuge - this is a huge skimmer with medium skimmer
performance)
<Agreed again>
The Zoanthids, they're the tiny green ones "green sea mat" I've seen it called
in some references.
<Mmm, these should be okay here>
Most of them were eaten a while back by a masked Foxface who took a liking to
them and ALL of my Corallimorphs!
(He is now in QT with a Valentini puffer awaiting another system.) The remains
of the Corallimorphs and some of the Zoanthid rocks are recovering in an 8gal
nano-reef with no fish, it's quite interesting to watch a tiny tattered piece of
flesh on a rock regrow into a complete animal again, these things - and many of
my other "presumed dead at the time" corals have amazing regenerative powers,
but from my reading you generally don't expect Gonoporia to survive in a captive
environment - should I remove it instead of the Euphylliids?
<Mmm, no... on your further information I'd leave all put... See if the light
helps... perhaps augment nutrition>
Unfortunately I don't have any other suitable system to put the Euphylliids into
- hopefully the carbon will reduce any allelochemicals present (there is already
decent distance between all) and the increased lighting will help. Also planning
(as per one of your links) to add a Halichoeres Chrysurus (Golden Wrasse) or a
Pseudocheilinus Hexataenia (6-Line Wrasse) - do you foresee any problems with
these and my existing stock? (from my reading they should be OK)
<Do you feed the Euphylliids, other Cnidarians?>
From the reading I have done, I would have expected the Euphylliids to win out
in a chem/stinging war - what have I missed?
<Nothing I see so far>
On another topic, my QT (containing the puffer and Foxface) seems to be growing
heaps of a tiny variety of pods. Being that I have only ever had fish (no corals
or LR in this tank) how could they have got there - can they hatch out of eggs
in frozen food maybe?
<Yes>
On yet again another topic, a reader was asking a few days back about a "Jebo
180" skimmer on a 300 Litre tank. I had this skimmer on my old 210litre (55Gal)
reef, and it wasn't quite enough. Jebo say its good for 700 litres in their
instructions, but I'd recommend using 2 on a 300L system from my past
experience. (mine is now on my QT - good cheap skimmer for a smaller tank with
low bioload).
<Thank you for this input>
Regards
Mick T
<And you. BobF> Re:
Euphyllia Health issues / hitch hiker ID - 06/10/2008
Gee Bob, That's a fast turnaround!
<Some days...>
Yes, I do feed the Cnidarians, usually gut loaded brine shrimp, soaked
in a mixture of rotifers, vitamins, etc (cant remember its name) and
chunks of krill.
But as stated, the affected Euphylliids don't seem interested in eating
now,
<Something going on here... again, spiffing up your skimmer, using
carbon, increasing RedOx... or moving the Euphylliids...>
whereas up till about 2 weeks ago they'd eat heaps (a Duncanopsammia
polyp that's managed to grab a whole krill looks kind comical - like
"the cat that ate the canary"...
<Have seen some really nice, quite huge colonies of this genus in recent
months>
Time to wait and see I guess. I'll give updates after the lights are in.
Thanks so much for your time.
MickT |
Possible cause of death for torch??
6/9/08
Hello,
<Hello>
I have a question about a torch coral I had. It was about three inches across
and looked great. I got it from a good LFS and it was packaged
upside down in foam in the bag.
<Good packing>
I set it on a rock midway up in my tank.
It got brown jelly on one head the second day in my tank so I cut the infected
head off and gave it a fresh water dip.
<Removing the infected head was good, provided no tissue damage occurred as
collateral to the other heads. Freshwater dips can be hard on corals, I'm a fan
of iodine solutions myself. Opinions vary.>
I placed it back in the tank and then next day it was brown jelly all over (the
other 2 heads).
I removed it but it did not make it.
<Unfortunate, but it does happen. Not much you could do about it.>
It looked healthy and fully extended at the store and the first day in my tank.
They had many great looking torches. When I was placing it I may have rubbed
some of the polyps lightly against the rock. Could this have been enough to
start the brown jelly?
<Probably not. Most likely stress of moving, something in the tank water. How
did you acclimate this coral?>
I want to get more Euphyllids but don't want them to die. I also got a rock with
several large frilly mushrooms at the same time and they are doing great. The
torch was at least 10 inches from any other coral , probably more. I have put a
lot of thought into the occurrence and my best theory is that I damaged some of
the tissue when placing the coral and this allowed the dreaded brown jelly to
start.
This was my first LPS but I would like to get many more. Any thoughts would be
much appreciated. Thanks for the help and all your help in the
past.
<Jeff, I would use/purchase a nitrate test kit. It is possible you have higher
nitrate in your tank, which would foster/cause/aid brown jelly and other
pathogenic organisms. If you do a test and this is the case, consider more
frequent water changes. Otherwise I would say try again, and unless this becomes
a trend fear not...an unfortunate coincidence that your first LPS had this
problem.>
Jeff
tank:
72 gallon bow front
20 gallon sump with 5 gallon section a refugium
80 lbs live rock
80 LPS aragonite fine sand
2 10,000k 65 watt pc
2 420nm actinic 65 watt pc
ph=8.4
ammonia=0
dKH=11
ca=500, should this come down to 450?
<Or 400>
5 to 10 gallon water change every 2 to 3 weeks - does not seem to lower ca
<I would recommend a 10% total volume water change weekly to maintain water
chemistry, clean water.>
frilly mushroom rock yellow sea blade - grows like crazy pink pulsing xenia on a
small island in the sand
Scopas tang
pink spot goby
scoter blenny
long nose hawk fish
three stripe damsel, mean and to fast to remove scarlet skunk cleaner - he just
started cleaning the tang after about
1.5 months in the tank, finally various snails and hermits for cleanup
<Sorry to hear about your torch, better luck next time! Benjamin>
Frogspawn branches breaking
- 6/3/08
I have had a frogspawn that has been doing quite well and growing
substantially over the past two years. In the last month or so I have
had two sizable branches with multiple mouths break off.
<This will happen from time to time.>
Do the branches simply deteriorate over time as their calcium is dissolved in
the water,
<Yes>
or is this the effect of having a low dKH/alkalinity for an extended period of
time?
<Also yes…would speed decay up>
For the last two years or so (I think) I was running (unintentionally and
unknowingly) a dKH=4-5 and calcium 350-450.
(adjusting manually with turbo calcium pellets only) I have now raised the dKH
to 7-8 in the past week with SeaChem Reef Builder, but I had
another sizable branch break off this morning. Could this be the work of my
gigantic long-spine urchin?
<Not the work of the urchin, no…though he poses other dangers to your corals
worth reading about in the fine articles to be had by searching this site.
Euphylliid corals have fairly open, brittle skeletons that shatter easily. Over
time they do break down, but this process is accelerated by low alkalinity which
causes expedited dissolution of Scleractinian product. The bad news is raising
your alkalinity won’t strengthen old skeleton, but it will prevent further decay
and help the coral to build sturdy new skeletal material.
Current Water parameters:
Nitrates=0
Phosphates=0
DKH=7
Calcium=410
<You’ll want to shoot for a slightly lower Ca to accommodate a higher
alkalinity. Continue to raise that, and everything looks great. No worries.>
Thanks!
<Welcome!>
Aaron Chandler
<Benjamin>
Torch coral declining
6/3/08
Hello crew!
<Hello Dan! Benjamin here tonight.>
I have been reading your site for quite a while, and also have a copy of "The
Conscientious Marine Aquarist", which I really enjoy.
<Great book to have>
Let me give a bit of background about my tank before I tell you about my recent
problem. I have a 14 gallon Oceanic BioCube in my office, which I started last
fall, so it's been in operation for about 8-9 months now. I've been keeping a
log of everything I've done with the tank.
<Bravo! Tank logs are great for helping solve problems, and for personal
scientific inquiry. I wish more people kept them.>
I started with about 6 pounds of live rock, added a cleanup crew of 4 hermit
crabs, 4 turbo snails, and 4 sand-sifting snails, and then slowly added fish
(there are currently two Percula Clowns and a Banggai Cardinal, and I don't plan
on adding any more). These fish have been doing great ever since I added them. I
feed them a combination of dry pellet food (which the clown fish devour but the
Banggai ignores), and frozen Mysis shrimp (which all three fish love). I try to
do water changes at least once every two weeks and sometimes more frequently. I
change about a gallon at a time. I also remove excess algae. I've been fighting
a never-ending battle with a fast-growing strain of Caulerpa (I like the fronds
but if I leave it alone, it quickly takes over the tank!).
<Sounds good…>
The beginning of last November I added a colony of purple Zoanthus, which have
been doing fine. About 10 days later I added a torch coral colony. This coral
has been thriving, and happily splitting off new branches, until about a month
ago. I started noticing that two of the heads nearest the bottom (the coral
sticks out of a live rock at about a 45 degree angle) had retracted. These two
heads eventually shriveled up and died, leaving just the skeleton. I thought it
might be because there wasn't enough light down there, and since the other heads
all seemed fine I didn't worry too much about it. However, as time has passed
more and more of the heads have started to shrivel up and die off, and the other
heads haven't been as extended as they used to. This coral used to be very
beautiful and fully extended during the day. Now it extends less than half of
the distance, on average, that it used to. I've read on your site about brown
jelly disease, but none of the heads have shown any brown film. They simply
shrivel up and die.
<Hmm…wasting away. Troubling.>
I've started troubleshooting what might be the cause. The first thing is water
quality.
<This is also what first comes to my mind…perhaps Ca+/ Alk problems?>
One thing that I've noticed with this tank is that the alkalinity drops pretty
quickly if I'm not vigilant. I let it get down to 6 degrees KH at one point! I
usually am able to keep it around 8 degrees KH. The LFS (a really nice place)
where I bought the torch suggested I slowly try to raise the KH to around 11-12,
so I'm working on doing that. My calcium is about 420 ppm and doesn't deplete as
quickly as the alkalinity.
<Ca is perhaps a bit high, which can explain the low Alk. But this shouldn’t be
causing your problem, as far as I know.>
Throughout the life of this tank, I've always read 0 for ammonia, nitrite, and
nitrate, and pH has been very stable at 8.3.
<And this is true also at present? Just want to double check, because poor
nitrogenous waste disposal/ build up would be another possible cause we can
check off the list if you’ve only just tested your water.>
Another thing that I thought might be the cause is lack of food. I've heard just
recently that feeding these corals Mysis shrimp is a good supplement to what
they get through photosynthesis. So, the last few days I've started target
feeding the individual heads. The ones that are most retracted ignore the food,
but the ones that are a bit extended do appear to grab some of the shrimp and
eat them.
<This could sure play a part. Starvation is a common cause of coral die-off in
an aquarium…most notably in situations where no supplemental protein is provided
for tissue growth, or where there is insufficient light.>
Another possible issue is water flow. There is currently moderate flow in the
tank due to the filtration system, and the polyps wave gently in the flow.
<Sounds fine to me, unless it is laminar current.>
Finally, I've noticed that two of my hermit crabs have started crawling around
the heads and nibbling at the edges of them. At first I thought they were just
eating the dead, shriveled polyps, but today I noticed them nibbling at the
edges of the live heads. Again, the clown fish and the Banggai Cardinal pretty
much leave the coral alone. I also noticed that one of the heads, instead of
shriveling up, had fallen off onto the sand bed. I gently picked it up (with
gloves on of course!) and relocated it on top of one of the live rocks. It
doesn't appear dead.
<AHA! We’re on to something, Watson! This is a rare event- total polyp bail-out.
LPS corals will do this as a last-ditch survival strategy when they simply
cannot survive any longer in a given environment. Be it from lack of light, poor
water, bad neighbors, this is an attempt to ride the current to somewhere that
they can establish a new skeleton.>
Today, I decided to rotate the colony a bit so that the heads pointed more
upward. In doing so, though I was trying to be careful, I accidentally knocked
one of the heads against the tank wall and then dropped the colony "head down"
onto the sand bed! I quickly picked it up and shook the loose sand off the
polyps. I sincerely hope I didn't just kill it!!! Edit: As I type this, the head
that had hit the sand is starting to extend its polyps once again, so I'm taking
it as a good sign.
<These corals are tougher than we give them credit for. I’m sure they’ll be fine
with your continued attentive care.>
Finally I should mention that the colony is a good 5-6 inches from the colony of
Zoanthus, and I've never seen the two physically touching.
<And there lies the rub: They don’t have to. Search WetWebMedia re allelopathy
and you’ll learn all about the noxious chemicals cnidarians leach into the water
to guarantee the demise of their competitors. Can I venture to suspect that the
first polyps to die may be those in water current that has recently passed the
Zoanthus colony?>
So basically, my question to the crew is, are there any other steps I can take
to try to forestall the continued decline of this coral? Should I break or cut
off the old dead branches? What should I do with the head that has fallen off?
<Make sure the head is somewhere it won’t be macerated by the current, and it
may survive. It is my suspicion at this time that the Zoanthus have become
stressed or sense the presence of the torch coral and are beginning to exude
extra toxins, or the low levels they have been emitting since November have
built up to toxic concentrations. I would run a little carbon in your filter and
change some water to help with the likelihood that this is the case. That said,
let us know about your water parameters and the proximity of the dead polyps to
the Zoanthus (or a current that just passed them) and anything else you feel may
pertain to the information you read on allelopathy.>
Thanks so much for your time. I've tried to describe the situation as detailed
as possible, since I don't have my camera here with me. Let me know and I can
try to attach pictures.
<Thank you for taking the time to write such a descriptive email- it really
helps us answer your question promptly and accurately.>
Thanks again!
<You are very welcome!>
Dan
<Benjamin>
Re: Torch coral declining -
6/4/08
Benjamin,
<Hello again!>
Thank you so much for your quick reply! I would like to answer several of your
questions and also report on the health of my torch coral, which seems to have
improved quite a bit since just yesterday.
<Glad to hear it!>
I did a water change yesterday and added some buffer to the tank to continue to
raise alkalinity (Seachem Reef Buffer). This morning, when I came in to the
office, all but two of the remaining live heads of the torch coral were
extended, and more so than I've seen them in days. Also, the head that "bailed
out" is sitting on the rock and seemingly doing ok for now. Needless to say I
was very encouraged. To answer your questions about water quality, here are the
numbers which I tested this evening:
Ammonia: 0-perhaps a trace. I measured this just after feeding, and didn't read
the color until a little after 5 minutes (this was using the API two-reagent
test kit), but it may have been ever so slightly green. I will keep an eye on
this to make sure it doesn't get beyond this. It has shown this ever-so-slight
green color before, which is so hard to tell from the reference zero color,
depending on the angle and brightness of the local light, that I haven't worried
too much about it.
<Color-based tests are, unfortunately, sometimes quite hard to read>
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0
Calcium: 420 ppm
KH: 10 (getting better!)
pH: 8.2
<Looks good. pH could be higher in ideal conditions, but 8.2 shouldn’t cause
problems as far as I know.>
Otherwise, to answer your question about which heads die first, it doesn't
appear to be related to which heads are in the path of the current that has just
passed the Zoanthus colony. In fact, two of the heads which appear to be the
first to get this current are two of the ones that are continuing to do well.
Thus, at least as far as I can tell, there doesn't appear (at least on the
surface) to be too much allelopathic competition between the two colonies (yet).
I unfortunately have ran out of filters, so I need to buy a few from the LFS,
which I should be able to do in the next couple of days. These are pre-made for
this particular aquarium and already have carbon in them. I suppose I could also
get a separate filter bag and put some carbon in.
<Okay. I still wouldn’t rule out some sort of allelopathic interactions, but it
is good to know they don’t seem to be directly harm each other.>
I should also mention that along with the Zoanthus, I have some sort of purple
anemone which I'm pretty sure is a type of Aiptasia growing in the middle of the
colony (I don't know why I forgot to mention this yesterday). It tends to keep
the Zoanthus polyps nearest it closed, presumably because it's stinging them
with its tentacles, but it's pretty enough that I'm loath to kill it.
<That could be problematic. Stressed Zoanthus will exude toxins into the water,
although they vary in potency based on the species, environs, etc. If the torch
continues to decline after alkalinity has been brought up and the coral is being
fed regularly the next step might be to deal with de-stressing your Zoas.>
If I could relocate it safely, I would, but I hear that these guys tend to get
out of control! Again, sorry I don't have any pictures (yet). I have my camera
today but forgot the USB cable to transfer the pictures!
<That’s okay. I am curious about this anemone nestled in your Zoanthus, but I
think for now we can chalk this up to starvation/water quality and dig more into
allelopathy if there continues to be decline.>
Otherwise, given the improvement in the torch colony since just yesterday, I
feel that the low alkalinity was an important factor. However, come to think of
it, since I also did a water change, I can see how removing some of the toxins
from the Zoanthus could also have been just as important. I will certainly keep
you posted over the next few days with the status of the colony.
<Sounds good. I hope all continue to improve!>
Again, thanks for your quick response, it is much appreciated!
<No problem!>
Dan
<Benjamin>
Frogspawn torch coral, hlth.
4/27/08
I have a quick question for one of you.
I was cleaning out my tank and while using a siphon tube, I accidentally
sucked directly onto my frogspawn coral. I only did it for about half a
second, but now it is shrunk up as much as it possibly can and looks
very odd colored. It is normally brown/green and now it is kind of
purple/green and like I say, it is very small. Maybe 1/16th of an inch
long polyps instead of the normal 1.5" polyps. Is there something I
should do?
<Mmm, likely no... but do keep that little crab away...>
About 10 of the heads escaped any damage, but 2 of them got sucked real
hard and I'm worried they wont recover unless I treat them somehow?
I have attached a picture.
Thanks for all the work you guys do, I've used your site a lot to get
very helpful information :-)
<Adding, boosting a dose of iodine/ide/ate would be worthwhile. Please
read here re: http://wetwebmedia.com/iodfaqs.htm
Otherwise, time going by, your good general care should see this colony
rebound.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Frogspawn torch coral
4/28/08
Thanks for the quick reply.
<Welcome>
That stupid crab has eluded me for a couple weeks now. It's an anemone
crab that used to hang out over on a power head intake, about a month
after I put the frogspawn in the tank the crab moved over to it. Every
time I try to catch it, it just crawls down underneath all the separate
heads and there isn't anything I can figure out to get it out. I could
jab some sort of stick or something into there but I think I'd harm the
soft edges of the
coral more than I would be able to chase the crab out.
<Try a small all-plastic trap, baited. Some folks re-package the "mouse"
ones from large hardware stores for this...>
I'll read about the iodxxx dosing for sure, thanks for the link.
<Welcome>
I was relieved when I got up this morning, the coral is certainly not
recovered fully by any means, but it does look a little better, maybe
twice
as swollen with water as it was yesterday, so hopefully over the next
week or two it will continue to recover.
<Very likely so>
I've been very consistent about keeping my water quality high, I do a
15% change every week and monitor all the appropriate parameters, so
hopefully this will assist in it recovering quicker.
<Yes>
Once again, I do appreciate the fast reply, I was hoping I could reach
someone at WWM quick enough that I'd be able to provide help to the
coral
quickly before any kind of permanent damage set in.
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Torch Coral Problem –
04/01/08
First off, good evening to all.
<<Greetings>>
I have 4 different torch corals in my tank. Recently, while cleaning I broke one
of the heads off the base and thought nothing of it because I did hit the coral.
Tonight I looked in my tank and noticed on another torch coral one of the
branches was deteriorated to where it was almost separated from the rest of the
polyps. All of the polyps in my tank are extremely healthy and fed 3 to 4 times
a week. What would be causing the branches to be so brittle or what could be
eating the branches? All my levels are good, the system has been running for
about 1 1/2 years and I would say this is the first time I've noticed this. All
the torch corals were purchased over a year ago and have doubled in size. Any
help would be appreciated.
<<Hmm, you say “all levels are good”…what does this mean, exactly? Have you
tested bio-mineral content (Calcium, Magnesium, Alkalinity)? How often do you
perform water changes? How much do you change? How large is this system? Do you
have any other stony corals? Are they malaffected as well? I can only guess that
your system is deficient in bio-mineral content and is “robbing” this back from
the coral’s skeleton. If this is not the case, then perhaps a boring sponge…
Regards, EricR>>
Re: Torch Coral Problem –
04/01/08
Thank you for the response.
<<Quite welcome>>
I do test Calcium and Alkalinity but have never tested Magnesium.
<<Ah! The three do “perform” together. If Magnesium is deficient (should be
approximately three times the Calcium level) it can cause difficulty with
maintaining sufficient Calcium and Alkalinity levels which can certainly cause
the coral’s problems with building their skeletal structures>>
I perform 80 gallon water changes on my +-300 gallon tank every three weeks.
<<Sounds good>>
All the other stony corals are doing fine and I haven't noticed any change.
<<Hmm…perhaps the lighter/less dense structure of the Torch Coral skeletons
means they are “the first to go”>>
I do notice these sponge looking growths by my overflow...they're about 1 inch
in diameter, ½ inch think and I have about 5 of them. I didn't think they would
do any harm so I haven't removed them. Unfortunately, I cannot take any pictures
of them where they're located.
<<I don’t think it likely these organisms are the/a problem>>
Do you think I should dose some trace elements?
<<Not without testing for the need first…but I would think your water changes
provide these just fine>>
I am running a dual chamber calcium reactor at 1 bubble per second so I wouldn't
think I need to add additional calcium.
<<Maybe…maybe not… If the tank is heavily stocked, bio-mineral content may be
depleted faster than you realize. But this can be evaluated with tests performed
a day or two apart for a week or so to determine how quickly the tank is
utilizing the available bio-minerals. At the least, do make sure the water
chemistry/bio-mineral content is “in balance”>>
Once again, thanks for the response.
<<Cheers, EricR>>
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Dying torch coral 03/28/08
Hi Bob: New here so hope I am not bugging you.
<Of course not, but Bob is in Malaysia... SaraM here.>
I have had a Torch coral for about 4 weeks and it seemed to be doing fine. I
placed it high in the tank. I have it in a medium flow area in a 180 gal tank
with 150 gal refugium. I feed home made phyto and feed somewhat heavy with the
fish food. Mysis shrimp perhaps once a week. About a week ago the coral started
receding. It is now totally receded. I moved it down to the bottom of the tank
to see if this would help. All my water parameters seem to be OK. Do I need to
spot feed him?
<might help>
I have a heavy lighting system with 3 10000K metal halides and 2 20000K bulbs
supplemented with 2 T5 actinic and moonlighting.
<What are the wattages of these bulbs? If the coral was too high up (or if the
light is too direct), there might be a localized heat problem. Strong, indirect
lighting is preferred.>
Top up water is RODI and I run a calcium reactor, UV sterilizer and a Euro Reef
240 Skimmer. I am running a deep aragonite sand bed (5"). The tank suffered a
unfortunate crash about 6 months ago but seems to be bouncing back well. At the
moment the tank is really not stocked very heavily as I wanted the system to be
well established before restocking. Chaeto grows very well in the refugium as
well as some grape Caulerpa. I harvest almost weekly. I do a weekly water change
of 20 gallons using Instant Ocean. Lots of copepods and micro fauna in the sump.
I know you probably need a lot more information to diagnose the problem , but
just thought you may have a particular suggestion regarding this coral.
<What is near the coral? Any leather corals in the tank?>
Thanks for your time in this matter, appreciate it.
<I'm sorry I can't give you a specific diagnosis. If you want my educated guess,
I think the lighting you put it under might have been too intense/direct. Did
you properly acclimate the coral?>
Bev Parker
<Best,
Sara M.>
Re: dying torch coral
03/28/08
Thanks so much for your quick response Sara. Yes the coral did come from a
much less lighted tank at the LFS. Bulbs are 3 -150Watt 10000K MegaChrome Blue
by Giesemann and 2 -250Watt 20000K.
<Ahh, I think this is your "problem" then. That's a lot of light! And if it was
under less light when you got it, the "shock" of suddenly being under intense
direct lighting could easily be the problem here.>
Yes there is a large branching leather coral upstream from the torch about a
foot away.
<Generally, you should avoid putting LPS corals in with leathers. That said,
many people do it anyway and swear they never have a problem with it.>
And no I did not do any reduction of light when placing the coral. Probably all
big mistakes I guess?
<It's how we learn, right?>
I will move the torch upstream and leave him near the bottom. Hope this will
bring him back.
<These are generally tough corals. If the lighting was the problem, moving it
near the bottom should help.>
Thanks again as I really appreciate the life of these corals and what we must do
to maintain them.
<Thanks, me too.>
Take care........Bev(dassystem1 on the forums)
Bev Parker
<Good luck,
Sara M. (Sihaya on the forums)>
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Hammer coral troubles... no
real info. 03/11/2008
Hi Crew!
<Wendy>
We are having troubles with our hammer coral. It was absolutely beautiful and
covered a very large area in our 75 gallon tank. Recently the heads have been
dying (shriveling up) and falling off leaving the bare skeleton. The strange
thing is that lots of new heads are growing back in its place.
<Mmmm, a clue possibly>
We have been doing weekly water changes, closely watching pH and chemicals,
<... need data re>
feeding DT's and oyster eggs, and occasionally feeding reef bugs. All of the
parameters have been within normal ranges.
<... ditto>
There is good water flow over the area but not too turbulent. We have not seen
any "brown jelly" signs or any critters on the corals that shouldn't be there.
The only new addition to the tank was a yellow tang about 5 months ago. He
doesn't seem to bother the corals at all and is doing fine. We are completely
stumped and would appreciate an expert opinion! It was such a showy coral and we
hate to see it going through this. Thanks in advance for your help. Keep up the
good work!
Wendy
<... need info... there is not enough to even proffer good guesses here...
Likely either an allelopathogenic effect, or some deficiency syndrome/poisoning
chemically... Read here re the former: http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Worm
infestation... no -12/28/2007
Hi crew,
I'm having a big problem with my LPS corals for the latest 2 weeks.
My aquarium is 75 gallons, 5x39 T5 and 6 months old. My water
param.s are
nh3,No3 zero, SG 35ppm, temp 79F, Ca 380-420, Alk 10-11 dKH, Mg
1300-1350.
In the last 2 weeks, on the hammer and torch coral some white worm
appeared as you can see in this picture
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img5113pt6.jpg.
<They are mesenterial filaments. Btw, nice photo!>
Last week I bought a Fungia and now I can see a few worm on it also.
I manually removed the worms with 2 sticks, then 15-20 min. dips in
Lugol's solution, but without success.
<Oooo... bad idea. These are not pests. They're part of the coral
(external digestive "organs").>
I think that they are predatory Nudibranchs, but I did not found any
quality picture on internet that will help ID those nasty creatures.
<They're not Nudibranchs.>
What other things I must try to save the corals ?
<Relax my friend, they are a normal/healthy part of the coral.>
Thanks,
Cristi
<De nada,
Sara M.> |
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