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Lighting, Heat and Ventilation
Hi, I'm a newbie to the Saltwater arena and have purchased an Oceanic 72
Gallon Bow Front RR, with canopy. I also purchased the JBJ power compact fixture
48" 65W*4, Formosa -DX. Yes it has a hood. My concern is the heat created
in the canopy. The fixture has fans, but there is little room on the ends for
air to circulate. The sides of the canopy (Flexible plastic) do get
warm to the touch, but not intolerable. The canopy is open in the back, but that
is the only source of air. I have had suggestions of cutting holes in
the end of the canopy, but I'm concerned about damaging it and it's aesthetic
value.
<Hmmmm, if the unit has fans and was designed for this use, not to worry for
it's sake. If heat is an issue, and it well may be, then additional fans,
perhaps a raised or suspended fixture may be a better route for you. Look into
additional fans and also brackets for supporting your fixture above the tank rim
online at one of our sponsors like Foster and Smith. JBJ would be the place to
start.>
My concern is the heat build up and potential damage to bulbs and fixture.
Retrofits really are not an option as the top of the canopy will not support
them.
<Brackets hold fixture on aquarium rim for support. They make then for
48" fixtures/tanks. Also, use eggcrate instead of the plastic
stuff that came with your tank to increase ventilation.>
Any suggestions? My plan is to have corals as well as fish. I know I could
eliminate the canopy, but would rather not.
Thanks in advance from a "new comer". John
<Well, there are several ways. You will find that aesthetics combined with
proper and needed function has a price. Poor function is not an option and
that's what you have now. There is no doubt that if heat is a problem, something
will have to give. The degree you choose to mix these is up to
you and your situation/taste/pocketbook. Also consider your locale,
if your summer weather is hot and you don't have AC, best to open things up and
maybe think of a chiller! Best to start with simple ventilation
first! Craig>
Lighting Fan
Help Please:
<No problem Steve!>
My 125 gallon reef tank is running 84 degrees. I have ordered 2 ice cap 4 inch
fans to cool the canopy lighting power compact 72496 retro. Do you recommend
that the fans blow into the canopy or out from the canopy? Also, do you
recommend that the fans be installed inside the canopy or outside the canopy?
<Where they are mounted, inside or out is a matter of taste and where they
fit best. Most are mounted inside with the finger guard on the outside. Mount
one exhausting and one blowing.>
I also ordered an ice cap 4 inch fan to cool the lighting for the ecosystem
filter lighting. Should the fans blow inside towards the lighting or blow out
from the lighting? Thanks, Steve
<Mount it exhausting (blowing out). The incoming cool air will fill the hood
from wherever air can fill it. Blowing in is less efficient and cools less.
Should keep you cooled a few degrees. Craig>
Lighting
I have a lighting question for you. I just bought a custom 120 (used) with
no lights. I currently have a FOWLR 75 gallon with only 30 watts of light. The
LR has some coralline algae and seems to be doing fine. I really didn't
understand anything about lighting until the last few weeks. I have been doing a
lot of research. I have read your book The Conscientious Marine Aquarist but
still am not sure what to do. Firstly I was bound and determined to go with MH.
After learning how hot they get and the cost I decided to move on to another
option.
<All lighting generates heat, MH's no more than others.
<<... no... wrong... RMF... Varying technologies produce a very wide/disparate
amount of heat. None more than MH>>
And not that much
more expensive initially compared to other lighting options that give the same
intensity. One 175 watt MH will cover a 2' x 2' x 2' area pretty completely. To
get the same sort of coverage and intensity would require 4 55 watt PC's or 4 75
watt VHO's. MH lamps will go at least one year before replacement is needed,
some up to three years. VHO's need replaced every 6-9 months and PC's every 9
months to one year. IN the end, MH's are more cost effective.>
Next I was going to use VHO, which also seems to create some heat. Then I
decided to just fill the entire hood with fluorescents T-12. Now after reading
more you seem to be a real fan of compact fluorescents. What I really would like
to do is take your advice
directly. The tank is going to be a FOWLR for a little while longer. I would
really like to get some good things growing on my rocks before I change over to
reef. The lights will be about 2 inches above the water and from the top of the
water to the bottom of the tank is 23 1/2". Please let me know also if you
think the lights should lay on a piece of glass or if it will be OK for the
lights to just sit directly over the water on the 2 glass beams.
<You have to follow the manufacturer's recommendation on this point. Some
fixtures are ok, other not.>
So what is your professional recommendation. I was thinking
somewhere along the lines of 440 watts of light with full spectrum and
actinic. Thank you.
<Any specific recommendation depends on what corals you wish to keep. What is
needed for same Yellow Porites would kill many LPS. Decide on this and then look
over the FAQ's for any specific recommendations. -Steven Pro>
Lights & Heaters
Hi Bob and or Crew: A couple quick questions in regard to lights and heaters.
First with heaters I currently have two Visitherm 300 Watt heaters in a 110G
reef tank which I would like to move to the sump. Is mounting horizontally a
problem with these heaters?
<I have never had a problem mounting them this way.>
Is this too much wattage for a 110?
<maybe slightly more than needed, but they are thermostatically controlled
and will not overheat your water. They merely have extra capacity to heat your
water if need be.>
Would I be better off with two Jager-Jager 200 or 250 Watt (I like the 2MM
thickness especially in a sump)?
<They are a better product.>
Now on to lighting, I am about to buy a Giesemann 2x250 watt metal halide with
actinic PCs which I will hang about a foot above
the water surface. This light uses the double ended metal halide bulbs which
create a very brilliant light but also seem to throw more heat than the common
socket metal halide. Any info in regard to these lights and/or bulbs?
<I have not seen any comparative info on difference in heat output. These
double ended units put out more light than the same wattage single ended lamps.
-Steven Pro>
Light vs. Heat
Anthony
<Anthony is off at the Backer Trade Show. You get Steven this morning.>
I just purchased a 260 watt power compact, with fan, for my 110 gallon tank. The
unit is raised about 1 inch from the glass which is all the room that I have
under the canopy. I noticed that my tank's temperature has risen by 2 degrees in
the six hours that the light unit is on. Will this cause any problems for the
fish
<You do not want the temperature to fluctuate so you may have to use your
heaters to maintain a warmer temperature as long as the maximum temperature is
82 or below.>
and if so how can I help to dissipate the heat.
<The proper use of fans and vents is the easiest way. You want the light fan
to be able to blow the hot air outside of the canopy. Else, purchase a second
fan to do so and mount it on the back of your canopy.>
The canopy is solid on top with airflow coming only from the rear. Thanks as
usual. Joe
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Light vs. Heat II
Steven,
A continuation of my heating problem..
I kept my hood open to see if the power compact light was causing the heating
problem. (the house temperature was about 79-80* due to a current heat wave)
<Pittsburgh has hit 86F today. Strange weather indeed.>
The water has not heated up any further so I think that the use of a fan in the
hood might be the answer. Which way should the air flow be directed; exhaust or
inflow?
<Exhaust>
The water temperature in my 110 gallon tank is at 83* and has not gone down in
spite of air-conditioning the house overnight to 75. The quarantine tank on the
other hand only raised to 80* in the heat but went down overnight to 77* and is
being controlled by the heater. I am assuming that the temperature fluctuation
in the 10 gallon is a lot faster than in a 110.
<Correct>
How should I go about lowering the main tanks temp or do I allow the cooler
house temp to control it and if so how long should I expect it to take.
Conversely, it heated up quickly.
<If you keep your house at 75, I would think using an exhaust fan would bring
the big tank down to 77 in another day or so.>
Should I look into the use of a chiller or do you think that the use of the
exhaust fan in the hood will control most of the heat source?
<If you usually run your AC, I would not worry about the chiller. Even if you
keep your house at a modest 78, you should be able to keep the tank at 80.>
Thanks again.
<A couple more general points. Minimize the usage of powerheads. Much better
to use external mounted pumps which dissipate their heat into the room and not
into your tank. -Steven Pro>
Lighting (concerns re heat production, elimination)
Hi Mr. Fenner,
I have a question concerning lighting. My saltwater tank is 60" long x
30" high x 16" deep. The problem is at the top, the middle third has a
glass brace across it that is 5/8" thick ( same as the tank sides).
<A good idea>
How badly will this affect the tank concerning the lighting, since it is already
a deeper then average tank,
<Actually, the depth of this length/run and volume is a few inches less than
"average">
if I want to eventually make it into a reef tank? I know have a FOWLR. I cannot
put anything that will heat up a lot. (The top along with the sides are
completely enclosed in a custom built cabinet, and it is a see-through to both
sides, and already on hot days I have to keep the top door open for heat
dissipation, even though my current lighting is way under in terms of sufficient
lighting which consists of two 48" fluorescents.)
<Good description>
I am currently trying to figure something out to vent the enclosure without any
light straying out .
<Perhaps some openings on the top with a "light barrier" to allow
air circulation, block light... or drilling through the tank, running a clear
pipe up through the bottom with cool air... or... >
The cabinet is in the kitchen/living room wall, and stray light will not be
convenient. A thought: the current enclosure has particle board on the top (
hidden by molding around the edge), if I cut out a big section, and replace it
with something heat conductive, such as aluminum, or such , do you think this
will make a difference to dissipate the heat up, and out of the enclosure,
instead of a fan or such, or will this not make enough of a difference to merit
the trouble of the modification?
<Interesting... but don't think this would make much difference>
In other words, does passive heat dissipation in this way, work as well as an
active design?
Thanks, Greg
<Consider the "chimney" approach with or w/o muffin fans to move
air over the top and not to worry about the changes in light (some loss of
intensity, phase shifting... not too appreciable). Bob Fenner>
I have a question about lighting my 90 gallon reef tank. As of
now I have 4 standard 40 watt bulbs and one 30 watt over it. As far as
corals go I only have a few polyps which I place as close to the light as
I can and they seem to be doing fine , even growing and spreading. I
would still like to move up to four 55 watt PC's but I am concerned with
the amount of heat that they produce. With my standard fluorescents I am
barely able to keep the temperature at 79-80 degrees , I am concerned if I
put PC's over it, the temperature might go up even more. I know the extra
light would give me more versatility with keeping corals but if they heat
up my tank too much I don't know if it would be worth it. How much more
would the PC's heat up my tank and would it be worth it to get the extra
60 watts over the tank? Not to mention $300-$400 dollars is a lot of
money for an extra 60 watts. Any advice would be appreciated , thank you.
>>
The power compact fluorescents actually won't heat your water much... probably
not even noticeably more than your current lighting arrangement... It takes a
lot of energy to raise water temperature. If you find that the heat is too much
period in your system, I would encourage you to do two simple things about it:
switch the lighting regimen to having the lights on more/all at nighttime rather
than day, and look into passive and active venting of the hood. A simple muffin
fan cut into the electrical supply to the lights (so it runs at the same time
while they're on), or just some holes drilled into the top/sides of the top will
lower the temperature a few degrees different.
Do agree with you concerning the net gain from the proposed vs. present
lighting. If it were me, I'd switch to four 96 watters... FFExpress has them on
sale now, I think for $421... or thereabouts. If you think you might go with
more small polyp stony corals, giant clams, I'd invest in these instead.
Bob Fenner
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