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FAQs on Reef Set-Up Related
Articles: Reef Systems,
Reef Set-Up,
Being Conscientious
Save money and the reefs
By Jennifer Smith,
Refugiums, Reef Filtration,
Marine System Plumbing, Marine
Aquarium Set-Up, Fish-Only
Marine Set-up,
FOWLR/Fish and Invertebrate Systems,
Coldwater Systems, Small Systems,
Large Systems,
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Related FAQs: Reef Set-Up 1,
Reef Set-Up 2, Reef Set-Up 3,
Reef Set-Up 4, Reef Set-Up 5,
Reef Set-Up 6, Reef Set-Up 7,
Reef Set-Up 9, Reef Set-Up 10,
Reef Set-Up 11, Reef Set-Up 12, &
Reef Tanks,
Reef Lighting, Reef
Lighting 2, Reef
Filtration, & Reef
Livestocking, Reef
Livestocking 2,
Reef Feeding, Reef Disease,
Reef Maintenance, Marine System
Plumbing, Marine Aquarium Set-Up, Live
Rock, Live Sand,
Fish-Only Marine Set-ups,
FOWLR/Fish and Invertebrate Systems,
Coldwater Systems, Small Systems,
Large Systems, Reef
Maintenance, Biotopic
presentations, Algal
Filtration in General, Mud Filtration
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Tank upgrade, reef?... Poor ideas/notions, not reading
4/24/07 To Crew I have been reading over your site, but I am
not sure if I am on the right track. I hope you will spare your time for
some advice. I am upgrading my current 75 gallon tank with heavy
bio-load to a 150 gallon tank. My current 75 has: 2 canister
filters, aqua c skimmer, shell substrate and some LR. Occupants are a
black volitans, porcupine puffer, majestic angel, marine Betta,
cardinal, maroon clown, Bannerfish, sailfin tang, ch. chip starfish,
black spike urchin and 3 tube anemones (separated as to not sting each
other). <Don't have to touch to toxify this system, each other...
See WWM re Cerianthus... is this the genus these animals are?> My
concerns regarding the 150 are: Use of a 1" sand bed is more
beneficial than shells, due to more organisms inhibiting the sand. I am
going to use regular aragonite sand and use 1 bag of "live" sand to seed
the "non-live". The LR will also be used, with the addition of more when
the $$ allows. Depending on the filtration, the skimmer can be placed in
the filter area. Due to the size of the tank, using the 2-3 watts per
gallon rule, can the heater be put in the filter area? <Can> If
so, would a 500 watt digital thermometer <?> in the filter and
the temp probe in the main display be advised or would it be advised to
use 2 250 watts in the main display? <The latter> My main
confusion is the filtration. The tank is not drilled, and I don't have
the means to drill it. <The manufacturer can/will, as well as your
LFS likely...> (If able, is there a formula for how many, what size
& where to place, the outlets?) <Yes, posted:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm scroll down, the
second tray...> Here I will use the CPR brand vs. the U-tube,
<Not recommended...> I understand they are recommended? <Not by
use> I not sure which to utilize here: Canisters- I've heard Eheim
Pro Series are a good filter. <Not the best approach to marine
filtration... again... Why didn't you look, read before writing here?>
These don't rely on gravity and use little electric. Would they be able
to maintain a 150 sufficiently with weekly maintenance? <No>
Wet/Dry/Trickle- One rated over 150 gallons. These using bio-balls would
help with the heavy bio-load and messy eaters? (watching the nitrates,
of course). Sump- Making a model of the 29 gallon sump featured on the
site. With the use of no bio-balls? If a W/D/T or sump is advised, would
it be of use to use a canister for carbon and water movement? In your
opinion, would you benefit more from the use of boxed "seawater" or
synthetic salt mix for bacteria and cycle time? Lastly, if the use
of a Magnum HOT filter is used for a QT or hospital tank, can you use
the sponge sleeve in the main filter to seed? Or these are not
recommended. Thank you in advance for your time and valued opinion
for the health of my livestock. <Have just skipped down. Please...
follow instructions. Use the indices, search tool on WWM... the answers
to your simple questions above and much of the needed related material
is gone over and over already there. Bob Fenner> Re: Tank
upgrade... Poor ideas/notions, not reading 4/25/07
Thank you for your reply, although you did not answer my question
directly. <Which? You need to READ... What isn't clear here?> I
know one answer does not pertain to everyone. After reading over
"millions" of Q&A's to find what your looking for it can get confusing
when there is no "like this" answer. (mainly between wet/dry or sump?)
<Not the nature of our sites... nor instructive IMO... there is just so
much "related material" that our current approach to making known what
needs to be made known... through articles (never going to be complete),
and others enquiries is about all we can do presently> Thus, "asking
a question". Please don't take this the wrong way, maybe re-reading I'll
find the answers to my "simple questions". I realize you donate your
time to this and think that's wonderful. (maybe you could post a
"specific like this" page) Quoting crew
<crew@mail.wetwebmedia.com>: <The search tool, cached
versions/views should get you this (highlighted terms...). BobF>
In a fix and need advice, SW set-up... pb... 4/21/07
Bob <Tom> Thanks for the advice and for getting me headed in the
right direction. I want to take the time to comment on the great
information you and your staff provide. I have learned so much over the
past month and would have made an expensive mistake it if had not been
for the information provided in the articles and related FAQ's. Once
again, thanks for shedding some light on things. <Welcome> Since
we last chatted, I cancelled the order for the sump, skimmer, and
calcium reactor. I have since purchased a CS250 Euro-Reef protein
skimmer. I am also in the planning stages on a sump that will be
72"x18"x24" that will be behind the display tank in an adjoining storage
room. <Nice> I have access to water (hot water tank feed),
electricity (gas furnace), and a drain. This looks like a good place for
the sump because I have ample space for equipment, can insulate room to
help cut down on the noise of external pumps, perform water changes, and
have a storage area for make-up water. The only negatives I can think of
would be if I had to get the hot water heater or furnace replaced. Any
thoughts on this plan? <Mmm, good to have such access, a "back
room"... do just leave space around/access to such appliances... as they
eventually do have to be serviced, replaced> Do you think the
humidity would be a detriment to the gas heater or to the room?
<Maybe... I'd contact the manufacturer re their suggestions> My
planned system is as follows: 1) 215 gallon Oceanic with 4
drains(1.5"), and 4 returns(1"), the center bulkhead will be feeding a
closed loop system for circulation using 1" PVC and 12-14 1/2" nozzles.
2) 72"x18"x18" sump with compartments for skimmer, refugium, chemical,
mechanical filtration. and return water. 3) two external pumps, one
for the closed loop and one for the return system water 4) three
250w heaters (Visitherm) 5) DSB of 5"-6" 6) 250-300lbs of
liverock 7) Outer Orbit 72" 3x 250w MH, t5's, HQI's and blue/white
led's for a total of 1062w Now for the questions, you just knew they
were coming lol. My goal is to have a system that will allow me to keep
fishes along with invertebrates in the beginning, I do want to be able
to keep corals sometime in the future after I do a lot of research and
reading. I want to do everything I can for the health and well being of
my "charges". I want this system set-up to be designed right from the
beginning and for the long haul as well as flexible enough to maintain
all marine life so long as I do my part. Questions: 1) Do you
feel that I will get sufficient flow from the three, 1 1/2" drains?
Would 2" at the same number be better? <Much> (woops, that was
two questions lol) 2) What percentage of the total flow rate(3225
gph-4300 gph at head) is ideal to push though the sump? <Mmm, the
refugium portion... much less... Posted:
http://wetwebmedia.com/refugpumpfaqs.htm> I know this has to do
with many factors, such as drain size/number, pump size, sump
design/size, and I am sure I am missing a few other things here, but, I
would like a solid number so I can design the sump to handle this flow
rate percentage. <Most all are covered on WWM... read on> 3)
Will using a true union valve between the sump and intake side of the
system pump (for removal and maintenance of pump only) cause too much
restriction on the pump if left in the "open position" while in normal
use? This will be an external pump. <Nope> These are the
questions I have at the moment, I do appreciate the time and effort you
put into this site and I do enjoy the learning experience. Thanks to
your wisdom, advice, and experiences, I know where I want to go, just
struggling with the how's and best methods to accomplish my goals.
<No need/use in "struggling"... take all a bit at a time... Reduce to
simpler questions, stated goals... You'll do fine> Hopefully, in the
end, I will have a system that is balanced, reliable, thought out, and a
real joy for the inhabitants (my wet friends) and for onlookers as well.
I know I can get there with proper guidance, time, and the information
provided here. Thanks and Best Wishes Tom P.S. Great Book,
"The Conscientious Marine Aquarist", Everyone should read it at least
once if not twice! <Thank you for this. Bob Fenner>
Upgrading to a bigger tank! Using WWM... 4/14/07 I am
upgrading from a 75 gallon tank with fish, LR & anemones <... not a
good idea to mix species...> to a 150 gallon tank. I have a couple
questions and would appreciate your help. I just got done with an
ick outbreak, due to adding a new fish w/o QT. Therefore, here are
my concerns. I want to use the LR in my current tank, would it still
house the ick? <Posted> Would you recommend bleaching it first
before adding it to the 150? <No> Do anemones? <What?>
In the 75 I have shells for substrate. <... not advised...> I
want to go with LS for the 150. I will use approx. 1", would using 50/50
(LS/non-L/S) be ok? <Posted...> I currently have 2 eheim
<Proper nouns are capitalized> 2026 canisters on the 75. Can these
be used on the 150, as they would not house ick? <...?> I know a
sump would be much better. If using a sump, would you recommend a
CPR overflow with one or two outlets? <Don't suggest such
overflows... which you would know if you had taken the time, read...>
Since the 150 is coming from another person, not brand new, would you
recommend bleaching it? Thank you for your valuable time. Dawnc
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/index.htm and learn to/use the
search tool. Bob Fenner> In a fix and need advice... Actually
just need to read on WWM re plumbing designs et al. related material
4/2/07 Hello, <Hi there> I am currently in the process of
setting up a 215 gallon reef. I want to use the oceanic <Product,
proper noun, capitalized> with the overflows, but, from what I have
read in you FAQ's, they are undersized. How can I get around this?
<Have them (custom order) or someone else drill more, larger...> I
want to be able to turn over the water at least 10 times an hour without
using power heads. Can you spec out a tank from oceanic with the proper
mod.s to allow for this? <You can... we/I could> The fix comes
in here, I have ordered a liferefugium 2 from _www.lifereef.com_ (http://www.lifereef.com)
. I need to know what changes I need to make to this set up work for
the size of tank I plan on setting up. I think the pump and sump size
might be of concern. Please advise me on this so I can make the
appropriate changes BEFORE he starts the build. Thanks in advance
Tom <Umm, much more to know/tell than this process of writing back
and forth will grant... For instance, issues of the size of your pump/s
volute/s, desired types of overflows, ancillary plumbing for
designated/dedicated circulation. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm The headings on
Circulation, Plumbing... in order, top to bottom. Knowledge is power; be
powerful. Bob Fenner>
I'm confused and grey matter is running
from my ears, Sm. Reef... to larger, set-up 4/1/07
Bob, <Sorry to disappoint, but tis' Brandon tonight.> Great site
- so great that my mind can't keep up! <Thank you. Bob will see.>
I have an established 29 gallon with 20 lbs live sand and 30 lbs live
rock with a few fish and a brittle star and black long spine
urchin. Small powerhead and hang-on filter that filters the system
about 4 times an hour. <This is really really low. Ideally you want
between 10-20 times an hour.> I also have a vacant 75 gallon
aquarium which I am READY to get started. I was considering an AMiracle
wet/dry filter system but after reading your site wasn't so sure. What
I've read on your site (which by the way is probably the MOST complete)
I had to wonder if a WD system would even be worth it. <Could become
a source of much unwanted NO3.> If I stock the 75 gal with 10lbs of
live rock and use the Remora Pro skimmer - will it be enough
filtration. I don't plan on having much in the way of coral (at least
for now). My main goal at the moment is a fish only with live rock
system. <You really should consider about 1-2 pounds of LR per
gallon. This would put you between 75-150 pounds.> Sorry for the
STUPID question - I'm just really confused and want to get this going
ASAP. <No need to apologize. We all started somewhere. In the
future do try to spell check before sending however. It takes time to
proofread all incoming mail. We are all volunteers, and this helps us a
lot. Brandon.> --Pete Do I need a W/D or is there a better
way? What if I introduce a few coral ? <You can remove
the filter floss and keep a sump. I would suggest reading up on
refugiums. NO3 can be both good and bad for coral. In low ranges it
feeds their Zooxanthellae. In high ranges, it will kill them.>
Re: I'm confused and grey matter is running from my ears... Brandon...
need titles that fit to find, re-find... FOWLR, Reef set-up?
4/2/07 Thanks for the response Brandon. <No
problem.> You are right, I should spell check. I meant 100lbs of LR
in the 75 gal (and other mistakes). <Ahhh. That sounds more like it
with the LR.> So, the setup without a WD would include two
powerheads, the skimmer, 75-150lbs of LR and what else?
<I would use a sump to create a refugium. You can get Plexiglas and
silicon and make compartments. One of these can be used to house your
skimmer. Probably a good idea to look into closed loop systems as
well. This is a really good way to get the flow rate that you need
without the cluttered and ugly look of all those power heads. You will
need more than two by the way. You can buy two really big ones (not
recommended) or you can buy for little ones and mount them in opposite
corners of the tank, and face them at each other. This is a better way
of doing it. Closed loop would be ideal though.> How does the left
over "gunk" get out of the water after they feed? <Well this is what
you want a higher rate of flow for. It will keep the "gunk" from
settling, and eventually it will be picked up by the skimmer/mechanical
filter. I would look into some sort of mechanical filter. Even if it
is no more than a sponge on a return pump. You will need some carbon
too. Beyond that, hopefully you are not feeding so much that the food
goes uneaten.> Much thanks. <You are most welcome. Do take some
time to read up on the topics I have outlined above. This will
eliminate a lot of the confusion. Brandon.> --Pete
Developing Reef Set-up - a Couple of Questions if You Please
3/30/07 Hello WWM Crew, <Scott> Thanks to your
extraordinary web site, I am moving forward on a 135 gallon reef
set-up, which has been up and running for about six months now.
<Ahh!> Now, if I may, I wonder if I can impose on you to
help me with the following questions. The system includes an
Ecosystem 3616 mud sump, which (based on reading your site and
Anthony Calfo and Bob Fenner's Reef Invertebrates Book) was stocked
with a "hand size" chunk of Chaetomorpha (after a four week
quarantine) in early February. Since then, the mud sump has been
running on a 24 hour illumination cycle and the size of the Chaeto
has almost quadrupled in size. <Mmm... I'd start allowing some
"lights off" time here... This algae needs to "do" the reverse rxns
of photosynthesis to stay healthy> By all appearance it seems to
be doing well. But yesterday, I was perusing your daily "Questions"
and saw a comment that suggested a 24 hour cycle is not good for
this algae. Would the system be better off if I turned off the
lights, say eight hours during the peak daylight hours? <Ahh!
Yes... better to have the lights off/on in some sort of regular (use
timers) arrangement with the main/display lighting... can overlap,
but have lights off in/on both for a period of time daily>
Referring to the attached photo, can you help me identify this
live rock hitch hiker. It came on an original piece of live rock I
used to set up the system. It was about the size of a nickel when I
first noticed it, and has since grown larger than a quarter. It
appears very solid (calcium skeleton?) <Yes... is definitely a
Scleractinian...> and has a very fine and short brown "fuzz"
(especially around the edges) which is hard to see from the photo.
<Parts of the living polyps> I have checked many sources to try
to ID this critter but can't make a positive ID. My best guess is
some type of SPS <Is a Faviid I think... Perhaps a member of the
genus Favites:
http://wetwebmedia.com/faviidae2.htm> but this seems
impossible given the fact that this is a relatively young aquarium
with associated "start-up" water chemistry. <Mmm, no... life
is persistent (thank goodness or its equivalent...)... Much does
"come back" on/with LR, LS> Lastly (and I hope I am not asking
too many questions) could I ask your opinion about suitability of
adding SPS to this system. The tank is currently stocked with a
cleaner shrimp and a blue legged hermit crab, five fish (flame
angel, bicolor blenny, purple firefish, sunrise Pseudochromis and
neon goby). Also a small colony of blue mushrooms - low in the tank,
along with some zoanthids, star polyps and various sponges which
came with my live rock. Water parameters are excellent (nitrates and
phosphates not detectable) and I am currently using additives to
stabilize Calcium around 400 ppm and Alkalinity around 10 dKH. pH is
consistently above 8.3 and water temp is 81-83F. Total water volume
(including mud sump) is about 160 gallons and includes about 150 lbs
of live rock and a 3/4" fine aragonite sand bed. Lighting
consists of three 150 watt HQIs and four 160 watt VHOs (three
Aqua-sun and one Actinic) which go on and off all day (max 480 watts
at a time to limit heat/light on the acrylic top of the tank).
Lights are roughly 10" above the top of the tank - acrylic top
covers have been removed for cooling and gas exchange. The tank
height is 24". <Mmm, could be done... the "SPS" colonies set
on rock, higher up, nearer the surface...> To address
potential "chemical warfare" between the corals, I use four cups of
carbon (in separate bags) in the mud sump per month; one cup changed
each week for stability. I also run a Euro-Reef CS-135 continuously.
<Ah, good> My goal (hope) is to add a few SPS - possibly
aquacultured Montipora, Bird's Nest Coral and maybe Acropora. Apart
from these additions, I am considering limiting any future additions
to a few (non coral) invertebrates (perhaps a tuxedo urchin, serpent
star, Fromia star and/or possible a few feather worms). <Good
choices> Now (finally!) for my last question - Do you think I
have adequate lighting if I place the SPS near the top of the tank?
<Yes> And would I have potential chemical aggression problems
between the soft corals and SPS given the above conditions?
<Mmm, not likely... at this age, start of their establishment...
placing the new specimens a bit away distance-wise, from the other
"older" cnidarians> I hope I am not being a bother with so
many questions. I believe I am on the right track but am by no means
and expert and would really appreciate learning your thoughts before
I do something stupid which could potentially hurt the
fish/invertebrates in my care. <No worries> Thank in
advance for your reply. Scott <Welcome my friend. Bob
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My first tank 03/23/07 Hi, great site that you have.
<Thank you and credit to all the crew> I think that this is a simple
question, but I can't ever seem to get the same answer twice. I'm
new at this. I bought a 72 gal, pre-drilled tank. I have an aqua pro
filter, with a built in protein skimmer. <I'm not familiar with this
filter system?> I have a 700-gph pump in it. <Would benefit with
the addition of a powerhead, extra water movement, we are aiming for
around 15x turnover and at the moment you have just under 10x> This
is the package that the store gave me. I put 100lbs of live sand in,
100 lbs of live rock that's been cycling for 3 weeks. I also have a very
big, very expensive light. <Do you know what type of light it is?
Fluorescent/VHO/Metal Halide and hopefully the wattage?> I haven't
had that on yet. Is it necessary at this point? <Wouldn’t do any
harm, it will help encourage growth of organisms on the live rock e.g.
macroalgae, coralline etc. And help in the cycle of diatoms> I'm in
no hurry, but I did put in a 2 emerald crabs last week (pressure from
the kids). They are doing fine, though we never see them. I plan on live
rock, some clams (2-3) <These will be highly dependent on the light
fixture. If you can find out the above questions Re the lighting then we
can talk about these further> 4-5 fish, and probably a few anemones
<Most have very poor survival rates in captivity and a lot of knowledge
is needed to keep them and for this reason I wouldn't recommend them for
your first tank, for yours and the animal's sake. I feel the addition of
a few simple soft corals would be a very good idea and add colour and
movement but with less demands on you and your tank> plus a standard
"cleaning crew". How far off, equipment wise, from being ready to put in
livestock? I don't want I don’t want stuff to die cause I'm improperly
set up, and to be honest, I've read until I'm completely confused.
<It is easy to become confused but with patience and guidance the
appropriate set-up for you and the animals in your care can be achieved.
You have started well by questioning first, before buying and gathering
information beforehand will help immensely. In terms of equipment if you
could email back those questions about the lighting and the filter that
will help us a lot. Also would be worth reading Re refugiums and an
addition of a small "fuge" See here -
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/refugium.htm There is much to learn
but we and other resources are here to help. Hope I've been of help,
Olly> Thanks, Rocky
New tank advice, Reef
Set-up 3/23/07 Hi Guys, <And girls, too! JustinN
with you today.> Having kept fw fish for many years i
would be very obliged if you could give me some advice on the my first
foray in to the world of marines. <Gladly, my friend.> I am
halfway thru purchasing the eqpt. for this and before any further
capital expenditure i would really appreciate your thoughts. <Sure>
I have a Juwel corner aquarium which is 120cm at its widest point, 85cm
in breadth and 48cm deep, my filtration is a Proficiensea fluidized sand
filter and a TMC V2 skimmer. <Sounds good> Lighting is an HQI
250w metal halide pendant (i think this may be inadequate) <I would
say that this is likely adequate, depending on what species you would
like to keep. Most photosynthetic life will do just fine under your
current arrangement.> and i am in the midst of buying three(?) of
the new propeller styled pumps run via a surge controller.
<Excellent.> I would be intending to stack live rock fairly
centrally to create a reef outcrop effect leaving swimming room to the
sides and back of the tank and having a layer of Araga live sand to the
floor. <If you will be adding live rock to this tank, save yourself
some money and skip the AragAlive. Just buy dry, sugar-fine oolitic
aragonite sand, and add it to the tank. Your live rock will serve to
provide the biota boost necessary to make the sand "live", and likely by
the time your curing and maturing process is complete, the sandbed will
be just as alive as the purchased one.> Being a bit scared of
drilling the tank and reluctant to use an overflow box after reading the
horror stories that these can create i won't be adding a sump or
refugium. <I would advise you to reconsider this. If you are not
comfortable with drilling the aquarium yourself, you can likely find a
professional to do it for you for a reasonable price. Beyond this,
overflow boxes are often given a bad rap, even though there is a simple
solution to increase their reliability. If you employ an overflow box,
simply employ a pair of identical ones for redundancy. That way, if the
flow of one is overtly clogged or problematic, you aren't running pumps
dry or overfilling tanks as there's still a regulated flow. I completely
understand your fears here, but the benefits of a sump or refugium
system far outweigh the potential risks, in my opinion.> Stocking of
the tank would be of the smaller hardier varieties of fish no longer
than 4inches individual length and some of the hardier invertebrate and
corals. <Excellent, sounds like you have a solid game plan, my
friend.> Are there any additions to equipment you can recommend? and
any potential risks that i can avoid before committing myself further?
or is the setup a non starter-your advice would be massively
appreciated. <Well, I think you've got everything under quite
sufficient control, Anthony. You've already avoided the largest pitfall
of the new aquarium hobbyist -- rushing into things. Simply by taking
the time to plan everything out as you are, you will avoid most the
pitfalls and common problems met by people entering the hobby.
Equipment-wise, the only thing you don't mention is temperature
stability, such as a heater. Make sure you leave amendments for
temperature control, and do consider my suggestions above. Beyond this,
I feel you will be successful in your plans.> Kind regards,
Anthony <The same to you and yours, my friend. -JustinN>
Reef System Setup...Improvements? - 03/19/07 Hey Eric...
<<Hey Linda!>> I was looking over my wet/dry (sump) and followed the
hose (the one that looks like a vacuum cleaner hose) up to the single
overflow box, when it clicked... the wet/dry only comes with one hook
up. (mine is on the side). <<Ah yes>> Oh boy...Would I need to
drill a hole and make another connection, buying the correct size
fittings, etc. if I wanted to add another single or even a double
overflow box? <<Mmm, is a consideration. Unless the hose/bulkhead
on the sump are sized larger than the overflow (nominal inside diameter
of 1.5") then yes, you would need to add a second throughput>> If
that is the case, I don't know about that kind of project. Not that
good with fittings, sealants, drilling holes in a sump...e-w-w-w...that
is scary! <<Hee-hee...not that tough really...but if you're not
confident...>> Unless you have a better way???
<<Oh yes! But involves drilling the display tank...getting a larger
sump...adding a downstream refugium...skimmer...lighting...et
al... Perhaps your setup is fine as is for now; give the removal of the
aluminum compound time to have an effect and then reevaluate/determine
what you want to change (if anything)... If you have more
questions/wish to discuss...you know where to find me, Eric Russell>>
Re: Reef System Setup...Improvements? - 03/20/07 Hahahaha Yep,
Eric...you have proven you are at my fingertips! hahaha Will keep you
posted on my "success" (positive thinking!) As Scarlett O'Hara
said..."After all, tomorrow is another day"...(smiling) Linda in GA
<<Sounds good... And frankly my dear...I "do" give a damn
[grin]... EricR>> Upgrading To a Larger Reef Tank – 02/27/07
Hello Mr. Fenner or whoever is on call today: <<Hello Patty...tis
Eric here this morning>> I would like to upgrade from my three year
old 90-gallon reef tank to a 180-gallon reef tank. <<Cool!>> My
tank is thriving and is quite full with fish and corals. All are
healthy and doing well. <<Excellent>> I do 20% weekly water
changes ever since I got the tank and have never had a problem except
for trading corals back to the aquarium shop because of no room.
<<Exceptional>> A nice problem to have. <Indeed>> I have one
day designated as "Tank Maintenance Day" and never deviate from it. The
tank has been paying for itself for two years now. <<Wish I could
say the same...>> I have not had to pay for supplies in quite
awhile. This I attribute from reading your website and the
Conscientious Marine Aquarist. <<Much useful info to be found>>
I am a firm believer that if you take care of the tank each day it will
run without problems. <<Mmm, a bit simplistic for the masses
maybe...but I like your attitude>> My question is: Can I transfer
all live sand, live rock, water, sludge and corals with fish into the
180-gallon and not jeopardize the corals and fish? <<In my opinion,
no...not “all” all at once. Sand beds experience massive die-offs of
their biota when disturbed/moved, which aside from the obvious pollutant
increase, also means they require time to regain their “balance”
(reestablish their “zones” and repopulate)>> I plan to add more live
sand and rock hoping the established fauna or microorganisms from the
old tank will establish the 180-gal quickly so I don't lose fish or
corals. <<This can be done...but I would recommend placing “new”
sand in the new tank and “seeding” this with several cups of sand from
the old system. Also, you need to make sure any new live rock added to
the new system has been “thoroughly” cured>> I was told this could
be done by someone from a shop wanting to sell me the upgraded tank. I
wanted to get your thoughts on this. <<It can/has been done...but do
consider my recommendations re the sand bed>> I am still learning
but don't test the water like I should. I rely heavily on the water
changes. <<This is indeed the single best thing you can do for your
(anyone’s) tank>> If you feel I should not do this would going to a
125-gal 72" long tank be easier on the corals or would it not matter?
<<Is of no consequence here>> Sorry for all the questions.
<<No worries my friend>> Tank - MH 150 l0K Cora life lights
w/actinics 30 gal sump Pro Clear Aquatic Protein Skimmer <<I
recommend you look in to a suitably sized AquaC/Euro-Reef/H&S skimmer
for this new system>> UV Sterilizer l.024 salinity <<May
seem like a small thing, but 1.025/026 would be better (closer to NSW)>>
450 calcium <<Getting a bit high...hopefully alkalinity is kept at
the lower end of the acceptable spectrum>> All other levels normal
whenever tested. 100 pounds LR Top-off system and dosing with
Kalkwasser...two cap-full’s of Reef Complete daily. <<Please do
test/keep an eye on calcium/alkalinity/magnesium and only dose “as
needed”>> RO/DI system Fish: 2 lg pajama cardinals 1
Banggai cardinal 2 clown fish 3-year old mandarin Fairy
Wrasse 1 serpent star 1 blood shrimp Corals: 1 huge (S)
leather l-ft tall (can't spell name) 1 huge colt Lg colony of
pompom pulsing Xenia Lg ruffled leather on other side of tank
Red candy coral Blue zooanthids Covered large rock of orange
zooanthids Yellow and orange zooanthids Large cascade of blue
mushrooms Red mushrooms Pink tipped frogspawn Large green
frogspawn l large torch Star polyps 3 small frags of SPS
corals (don't know names) <<A noxious and aggressive collection of
animals...hopefully there is some ancillary chemical filtration on this
system>> Your advice is appreciated. Patty <<I think you can
go ahead and make the move to the larger system, with my
reservations/recommendations re the sand bed in mind. Do be sure to
transfer as much of the water from the old system to the new as
well...lots of beneficial bacteria/microbes in the water itself. And
have those test kits handy for testing ammonia/nitrite/nitrate along
with a goodly supply of saltwater (preferably aged a week or more) for
any necessary water changes as indicated by the test kits. Regards,
Eric Russell>>
What's next? Order of reef Tank Assembly
- 02/21/07 Hello, <Hi Henry, Mich here.> I just got a
used 72g bow front tank. <Congrats!> It came with a sump,
skimmer, return pump and about 80lb. of live rock with a little water.
<An excellent start.> What do I do next? Put in the live rock and
how much? Or do I fill the tank and run the system? <Put in all the
live rock, preferable directly on the glass bottom and not on top of any
substrate. It will not hurt the rock to be covered with substrate and
this will avoid any problems with potential/tragic rock falls in the
future. It is best to keep your live rock wet, to keep it, well, alive.
Ideally, next add any substrate that you are planning on using. But if
you are not prepared it is most important to just keep the live rock wet
either in the tank or in a Rubbermaid-type container. As far as
substrate, if you are using brand new crushed coral or Southdown/Old
Castle type play sand it is best to pre-rinse to remove as much dust as
possible. If you are using sand from an established system, I would not
pre-rinse as you will be washing way beneficial organisms. Then add
your water and get your circulation running.>
Thanks For Your Help, <You are welcome. -Mich>
Henry Doubts... from Brazil....Setting up a New System
02/17/07 Hi guys, thank you for helping all of us... <Hello
Camilla, Mich with you tonight.> I am starting cycling a 100g today
and have been researching a lot lately, but I am not sure my English is
good enough I could get it all you guys do up there. Here in Brazil we
use to make things a bit different. I have fully cured live rock from my
other tank, and will use them with a 3 " sand bed and a small amount of
substrate I will get from a friend. <You tank may not
truly cycle (have an ammonia spike) if you are using fully cured live
rock from a previously cycled system.> Questions are: Should I
place the rocks on the substrate or on the glass and then add the
substrate? <I would place the rock on the glass and then add the
substrate. I think this is the safest option.> Is it
important/necessary to change all the water after cycle is finished?
why? <No, you don't want to change all the water. You can do
partial water change of 10-20% per week.> At which stage can I start
placing corals? <When you Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate levels
stabilize. This may be almost immediate.> I used to have hermit
crabs, turbo snails and a red star as a cleaning crew in my other reef,
but I thought I should add them as soon as I start the cycle,
<Generally, I would wait until after the tank cycles, but yours may not,
so it may be OK to add immediately, though there is no need to do this.>
and, why is that I shouldn’t use hermit crabs? <You can use hermit
crabs, provided they are one of the reef safe varieties.> down in
sump I have a box with 10" sand bed. Is it helpful? <Oh yes! Will
act as a natural nitrate reducer. A very beneficial addition.> and
I am thinking about using algae/ xenia on it, should I? <I would
definitely recommend a macroalgae. Chaetomorpha would be my first
choice, though many still use Caulerpa. Xenia could be kept in the sump
if you have enough lighting or in the display.> the last
one I swear! We don’t have many skimmer options here, right now I
have a Moratto, that is a Brazilian skimmer, venture. Now we can find
here (for more than double you pay there...) the octopus skimmer (I
found it announced in some American shops as well) it’s the only option
we have that is recirc, and with needle wheel. The other options are way
too pricey and rare in Brazil. Do you know anything about this product?
<I'm sorry, I do not.> should I use one ( recirc nw 150, ok?) or
wait for a bit more till I can find a way to get an aqua c, Deltec or
Euro reef? <Mmm, not really familiar with any Brazilian skimmers. I
have an Aqua C with which I am quite pleased.> thank you again...
best regards <You are quite welcome! -Mich> Camilla
Experimental staging tank - 02/09/2007 Hi Bob/Crew, If
you would allow me to prevail upon your collective wisdom...
<Well, just my small part> I have reached a point where I need a
sanity check in designing an Experimental 4 Ft tank that will
currently serve as a pre-staging area for a larger 600 litre reef
tank which will not be filled for another 6 months or more, as I
wish to plan it very carefully (oh YES.......... there will be
questions!...., but still researching for now). When the Main tank
is completed this Experimental tank will become a
fragging/quarantine tank. (Ever had a wood grain 600 litre tank in
your living room that you must resist filling...... <You HAVE
got discipline!> yes, I have nerves of steel, and laugh in the
face of the spindly killer fish) Please be tolerant (cover you mouth
when you laugh) , some of my notions may not be practical , but I
have devoted many hours of research and planning, and literally
hundreds of hours on your website over the last couple of years (no
joke). I am attempting to build a small sump/refugium which will
take care of wet/dry nitrate production, skimming and
denitrification ,.... in that order actually. Have attached a pic,
tried very hard to make it clear and understandable, hopefully
succeeded. I am aware that this is a fairly small sump and refugium,
but I am struggling for space. The basic concept is : Partition
one : Loose floating bioballs under the dump pipe with 2000 LPH
Air/Water Pump <Mmm, why this here? I'd rely on gravity> to
skimmer and overflow to partition two (skimmer). Hopefully being
agitated by water flow will help prevent debris trapping and will
nitrify my ammonia/nitrite for me without becoming too much of a
debris trap. <Shouldn't be an issue> Partition two:
Aqua-One SK388 Skimmer (took your advice and got one at last) with
enclosed, perforated plastic boxes full of ceramic noodles beside
it, overflowing to Refugium. OK here's the part where I want you to
try not to laugh...... The idea being to encourage an anaerobic
environment in the boxes for Denitrification whilst still
maintaining the 1ppm O2 plus requirement to prevent Sulfide
production, I may "feed" these suckers carbon, or I may not, do you
think I should? <I would> Do you know how I can tell if
these become Sulfur factories? . <Likely won't... but might
smell it if so> On the bright side, if they don't work, I can
just pull them out since they're boxed. <Yes> Partition/Box
three: Refugium with Live Rock (a little) , Ulva as Macro algae
(readily available to me from sea) <Mmm... Ulvales are not the
easiest macros to culture...> and either a DSB or whatever brand
of Mud I can get here in Australia if any (we really lag a long way
behind you guys in marine technology, half the stuff you guys talk
about we just can't get here. Even something as simple as Aragonite
is not easy to find, in Melbourne anyway!) 2000 LPH Water pump
(will probably enclose) returning to Spray bar. <Mmm, do look
into Loc-line... other distribution here> should I tee this back
to the refugium now , or just wait and see what the flow is like? Do
you think I would be pushing it to try for a DSB in this tiny and
short refugium? <I'd arrange bypass of some of the flow here...
with adjustable weirs perhaps> Only have 2mm Coral sand at the
moment and feel I would probably have to go about 4-5 inches plus
to make it anaerobic, don't think it will fit?? How deep does
miracle mud etc need to be? <An inch or more... you might be
able to collect your own...> Well , what do you think?, have I
gone mad at last? I really hope so, would explain so much..... I
feel constantly nagged by the concept of a wet/dry being so good at
Nitrate production and yet not being able to find anything stable
other than live rock or DSB's to deal with the Nitrates, not
interested in chemical treatments , not an elegant solution. I
realize water changes will still be necessary , but am trying to
build as stable an ecosystem as I can manage. <You have many
good ideas here... But I would add another intake drain of about the
stated 1 1/2" size, and do away with the valve illustrated... not
necessary> In the same vein of questioning, have seen Anthony
and others comment that submerged bioballs are a bad idea, but I
can't work out why? <Inherent design... much more useful in
oxygen rich environments... not sat. (7,8 ppm.) vs. 210,000 ppm...>
seems to me that if you had a coarse prefilter, flowing to some
wet/dry bioballs followed closely by some submerged bioballs in an
area of low O2,(ie Debris
filter->Nitrification->Denitrification) this should be good, .. no?
<Mmm, no... presence, even hypoxia negates anaerobic microbe
metabolism, presence> Is it because the balls are just not
porous enough to foster anaerobic conditions? <This and a lack
of surface area per volume> The reason I ask is because , in a
misguided moment (listened to LFS. Ho Ho..) I purchased a 2600 LPH
Minjiang Canister filter with 5W UV for the 600 litre tank when I
bought it ( as they said the glass was probably tempered and
couldn't be drilled) then I went one worse and bought a stack of
bioballs to put in it. The thing is... when I watch the hoses with
the air valves shut completely, I see no air going in and none
coming out, does this mean I can assume it's at least partly
anaerobic in there, or is there so much dissolved O2 that this is
never possible while it's flowing. <Bingo> I just want to
know if I'm doomed to high nitrates and frequent water changes in
the 600 litre display , or if there is some way I can still use the
canister for bio - filtration but avoid this. <Canisters... not
really useful for denitrification... too much flow, too little media
volume... though use of sintered glass, ceramic media...> Do you
know of any other way I could filter a system that can't be drilled
besides a canister? (Oops , there I go.. said I wasn't going to
discuss the 600 litre now.... sorry ). I can leave the canister
doing just mechanical and chemical and circulation , but I really
think this is a waste, although I will have a Weipro 2014 Hang on
skimmer and Live rock as well. <Do look into having this tank
drilled... yes, though tempered, can be done... the larger LFS,
glass shops...> By the way CMA and Reef Inverts are very
difficult books to get in Oz, <See Readingtrees.com for
Antoine's distributors there> everyone I've asked says 3- 4
months wait , do you have a distributor here, or will I have to get
them online? Which book do you think I would benefit more from with
respect to reef keeping? <Modern Coral Reef Aquarium series by
Fossa and Nilsen> Are you tired of seeing question marks??
<Not yet> Apologies for the essay, but it did say in the FAQs
that you prefer all your questions at once, hope it's not too
laborious to get through. Thanks for your time -Rama
<Welcome, BobF> | 
|
Experimental staging tank, Continued - 02/11/2007 Bob,
thanks very much for taking a look at my plans, But of course
one answer generates ten questions............ . <Ah, yes> I
am attempting to build a small sump/refugium which will take care of
wet/dry nitrate production, skimming and denitrification ,.... in
that order actually. Have attached a pic, tried very hard to
make it clear and understandable, hopefully succeeded. I am
aware that this is a fairly small sump and refugium, but I am
struggling for space. The basic concept is : Partition one :
Loose floating bioballs under the dump pipe with 2000 LPH Air/Water
Pump <Mmm, why this here? I'd rely on gravity> <<The
venturi? (probably not correct term for this) that came with the
skimmer is designed to sit on the front of a specific pump intake
and is very effective, I'm not sure of a good way of getting it
inline with the down pipe like a normal venturi, hence decided to
stick with pump, plus wasn't sure what force was going to be
generated.. >> >Ahh, sorry for this... Yes, the skimmer will
need this pump... and/but the skimmer needs to be in a "partition"
entirely, or there to be an overflow of incoming water... not
possible to balance the overflow from the main tank...< to
skimmer and overflow to Partition two (skimmer). Hopefully being
agitated by water flow will help prevent debris trapping and will
nitrify my ammonia/nitrite for me without becoming too much of a
debris trap. <Shouldn't be an issue> Partition/Box three:
Refugium with Live Rock (a little) , Ulva as Macro algae (readily
available to me from sea) <Mmm... Ulvales are not the easiest
macros to culture...> <<Hmm... this is true... have tried before
with Ulva in display tank which gradually diminished to nothing, but
had the feeling someone was munching on it ,(maybe Pseudochromis
bicolor?), >Not likely to its exclusion< will see if
Chaetomorpha (prolifera?) is available, but doubt it.>> >Ask
around... other national hobbyists...< ..2000 LPH Water pump
(will probably enclose) returning to Spray bar. <Mmm, do look
into Loc-line... other distribution here> <<What's wrong with
the Spray bar?, not enough movement?>> >That... from restriction
and the loss of ability to direct, re-direct flow direction<
should I tee this back to the refugium now , or just wait and see
what the flow is like? Do you think I would be pushing it to try
for a DSB in this tiny and short refugium? <I'd arrange bypass
of some of the flow here... with adjustable weirs perhaps>
<<Don't think I have enough space to employ adjustable weirs (only
about 30cm X 30cm), maybe the tee from return going back to
refugium , with just pump in a weir?>> >A good idea, yes<
Only have 2mm Coral sand at the moment and feel I would probably
have to go about 4-5 inches plus to make it anaerobic, don't think
it will fit?? <<would the inches here be right?>> >Yes<
How deep does miracle mud etc need to be? <An inch or more...
you might be able to collect your own...> <<Don't think I'm
brave enough, any clues on how to tell what sort?, have ordered some
CaribSea Aragamax online in any case, managed to find some.... Whew,
not cheap!, do you think 3 inches of sugar-fine will do, or am I
being stingy to my detriment !>> >Should be fine< <You have
many good ideas here... But I would add another intake drain of
about the stated 1 1/2" size, and do away with the valve
illustrated... not necessary> <<Valve/Tap is mainly just so I
can turn off flow to work/clean in sump>> >Do please check, make
sure that in the event of a power or pump failure the water will not
overwhelm the sump< In the same vein of questioning, have seen
Anthony and others comment that submerged bioballs are a bad idea,
but I can't work out why? , <Inherent design... much more useful
in oxygen rich environments... not sat. (7,8 ppm.) vs. 210,000
ppm...> << Do you mean that 7-8ppm would be submerged...vs.
Wet/Dry at 210,000ppm? >Yes< I realize this is better for
Nitrification, just wanted to know if you can use them in more
anaerobic conditions for Denitrification?>> >No, cannot be used
for such< seems to me that if you had a coarse prefilter,
flowing to some wet/dry bioballs followed closely by some submerged
bioballs in an area of low O2,(ie Debris
filter->Nitrification->Denitrification) this should be good, .. no?
<Mmm, no... presence, even hypoxia negates anaerobic microbe
metabolism, presence> <<Whoa!.. sorry, lost you here
,....presence of what?, >Of any measurable dissolved oxygen<
are you saying that Anaerobes don't likely completely hypoxic
conditions?>> Is it because the balls are just not porous enough
to foster anaerobic conditions? >Correct< <This and a lack
of surface area per volume> .....<Canisters... not really useful
for denitrification... too much flow, too little media volume...
though use of sintered glass, ceramic media...> << Does this
mean if I use something like Aqua-one CeramiSub (looks a bit like
ceramic live rock rubble) that I just bought, I might foster some
small anaerobic pockets in this canister of mine, otherwise I may
have to try for a hang-on 'fuge, not likely to get past management
though (yes ... married)>> >I would use such material... though,
you are correct that it is of little use in such a setting
(canister)< Do you know of any other way I could filter a system
that can't be drilled besides a canister? (Oops , there I go.. said
I wasn't going to discuss the 600 litre now.... sorry ). I can leave
the canister doing just mechanical and chemical and circulation ,
but I really think this is a waste, although I will have a Weipro
2014 Hang on skimmer and Live rock as well. <Do look into having
this tank drilled... yes, though tempered, can be done... the larger
LFS, glass shops...> << Can't seem to find anyone prepared to do
it ( even had to drill my own hole on the experimental tank ... 1
hour with a Dremel and a diamond engraving bit/water.... whew!!),
>Nerves... and patience for sure< and I understand that if I do
find someone to do it, they won't take responsibility. Blew the
budget with this tank , if they break it it's over., can't afford to
replace.... : - ( Actually, I originally spent over a week
designing (copying.. ) and building a beautiful hang on overflow
siphon box, only to throw it in the bin after reading more negative
opinions on WetWeb and thinking long and hard about the anxiety
factor at 4 am, ah well..>> Which book do you think I would
benefit more from with respect to reef keeping? <Modern Coral
Reef Aquarium series by Fossa and Nilsen> << Are you just being
modest here, I was referring to CMA vs. Reef Inverts., was hoping to
buy one of these to support your hard work. If you truly think the
Fossa book will be better for me I will get it, but would still like
a copy of Reef Inverts.>> Thanks again Rama >Ahh... Your
writing presents itself as you being a bit beyond CMA, yet, yes to
the RI book... I do believe you would gain by its perusal...
enjoyably even! Cheers, BobF> |
Tank
Rebuilding 2/3/07 Hey again, I'm not sure I quite
understand the concept of the SeaSwirl.. <Ah... yes> is it a
pump in itself or do I have to connect it (if so, how?) <The
latter... Please read here:
http://www.sea-swirl.com/> to the return from the built in
overflow..? Another option for me is to use a Tunze Turbelle stream kit
6100 + a single controller, and maybe one other small powerhead in the
back of the tank. <This is a vastly superior arrangement>
Another question, do you have any idea of how I might convert a Wet/Dry
w/ a skimmer and return pump in it, into a refugium? <Yes> I am
going to have to raise the water level in the wet dry almost to the top
correct? <Or perhaps build/install a baffle to raise the water level
in a section... likely the "front" area where water comes first> and
I am going to replace my skimmer with a Aqua C hang on tank version, but
I am not sure what to do about the return pump, can it sit on the sand
or mud in the refugium or would i have to raise it on something?
<Best to read on WWM re... there are other issues you are not likely
(apparently) aware of... that are also covered there> Next, as you
might be able to tell I am pretty much redoing my tank and going full
blown reef style for the first time. You have heard about the
circulation, the filtration, now the lighting, (https://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15486&prodid=30699&catid=3)
this is the fixture I am considering, however I have heard that Halides
can cause excessive heat to enter the aquarium if not raised high
enough.. since my ceiling cannot hold a hanging fixture, can you tell if
this fixture is one that I connect to the tank? or is it also of the
hanging variety? <Does connect, set on the tanks edges... as shown>
If it does connect to the tank will it be far enough away from the water
that it wont cause too much heat? <Mmm, likely will be fine...>
This whole renovation process has been quite mind boggling... <The
planning, anticipation can/should be a good deal of fun...> and I
haven't even started! Yes, one more question I will not have the room
for a calcium reactor so I will have to add trace elements manually..
which brand do you recommend? <Mmm, posted... am a big fan of Bob
Stark's B-Ionic for beginners as yourself> and will additives be
necessary if I maintain 10% weekly water changes with Reef Crystals?
<Mmm, not at first likely...> Thank you so much, Christian
(75 gallon tank w/ 440 watts VHO lighting 2 wt 2 bl,80 lbs LR and <1" LS
SeaLife Systems Skimmer (one getting replaced)) <I strongly
encourage you to read a good deal more before making the purchases
listed... So you have a much better idea, "comfort level" with your
choices... AND to join, participate in a marine/reef hobby club in your
area (a great deal of fun, input of use here...) and the chance of your
picking up a local "guru"... Bob Fenner>
Set-up, stocking
questions--a mixed bag 1/27/07 Hey hey. <What do
you say?> I have a 60 gallon, rectangular, soon-to-be reef tank
that's been up and running for 9 months. <Welcome to the reef my
friend.> I've asked you all a few questions before (to much benefit)
and now I think I'll try to get all the rest of them out of the way at
once. <Alrightly> So...After many hours of tinkering, upgrading,
and hundreds of hours of research (mostly on WWM), I'm almost satisfied
with my set-up. <Very good! Key word there being almost... if you
make it to satisfaction, I hope your time there is longer than the 10
minutes that most reef aquarists experience.> My tank
has a built-in overflow with bio-balls and a sponge filter inside, with
a 1-inch bulkhead return to my 20-gallon sump. My return pump is a Rio
2500, which I am replacing with a Rio 10HF. This will increase the flow
from ~330gph to ~510 gph (at 6ft of head). Do you think this will be too
much? <Will have to watch, a 1 inch bulkhead should handle around
600 gallons per hour.> I'm concerned about the adequacy of my drain
and the turnover in the sump/refugium (see below). <Understandable.>
I also have two Maxijet 1200 powerheads in my display, a 1 to 1.5 inch
live sand bed, and tons of live rock, maybe 80 to 100 pounds. It is
lit with Coralife 260W (total) PC 10K and actinics. This fixture is
mounted in my canopy. Coralife states the light is only to be used over
covered aquariums. Mine is covered at the moment, but when summer rolls
around it might get pretty warm. I have a small fan in the canopy (which
has an open back) and can put a fan over the sump, but if heat is still
an issue do you think it'd be okay to drill a bunch of small holes in
the tank covers for more ventilation? <I would think this would be
OK.> Moving on. I made the sump into a refugium, in the sense that I
added Chaetomorpha, an 18W PC light, and live rock. The Chaetomorpha is
doing great (despite the relative low light), and my nitrates are always
below 5ppm. I just added a culture of live copepods into it, also.
There's not too much room in there for much substrate due to the
equipment (there's also a skimmer in there), but I've read that copepods
prefer it. I think I could put about an inch in there (maybe in a
casserole dish?), if it'd be worthwhile. <A possibility.>
Another concern I have is that the copepods will get filtered out by the
skimmer, which has a sponge filter on the outlet to reduce bubbles. I've
heard many people prefer no mechanical filtration, or bio-balls for that
matter. Would you take out the bio-balls (over a period of weeks) and/or
the sponges? <You could if you find your Nitrates are increasing. I
think I would lose the bioballs immediately, may be worth trying to keep
the sponge just as a physical barrier for the microfauna.> My fishes
at the moment are an ocellaris clown, a royal Gramma, a yellow-streak
fairy wrasse (C. luteovittatus), and a neon goby. I'm thinking of adding
3 chromis and later down the road--here it comes--a mandarin or
Rainford's Goby. <Please allow your tank to establish itself for
several months and build up a large supply of microfauna before
attempting either of these fish. In general the Rainford's Goby
(Amblygobius rainfordi) is a better choice.> I know they are
difficult, so if you recommend against it I will probably go with a
flame angel or coral beauty instead. <Would be a better choice as
long as you re aware of the risk of these angels nipping at your
corals.> My Gramma is very shy, and I'm hoping that the Chromis will
make him more comfortable about coming out of the rockwork.
<May, may not.> As for invertebrates, I'm thinking a Scarlet Cleaner
Shrimp, a Fromia Star, a Hawaiian feather duster, pulsing xenia, Green
Star Polyps, a leather coral, and torch or frogspawn. I'll do more
research on the exact species before I buy, and will make sure to keep
plenty of space between them. What do you think of the plan, in general?
<Fromia is a poor choice. I would not add this. It is doomed to
starvation.> Okay, one last thing. I just set up a 10-gallon
quarantine tank and put it's sponge filter in my sump to grow bacteria.
I'll add 75% tank water and 25% new water. How long do you think it'll
take to cycle? <Mmm, not sure, seeding the sponge will
help, but you should monitor your levels with a test kit.> Sorry to
bombard you with questions, I guess I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
<As are many others.> Thanks again for all your help.
<Welcome! -Mich> Scott
Re: Ich, Low pH, Low Calcium,
Possibly Elevated Magnesium... reef filtr. 1/21/07
Mich, Now that I have the protein skimmer up and running what should I
do next?...live rock or new filter? <Definitely live rock.> What
kind of filter would you recommend? From what I've read wet/dry is the
way to go. any particular brand or set up? I've been on the Dr Fosters
website trying to get a better idea of what they are and how they
work. Again, don't really want to rely on the LFS around here.
<Wise to not rely on LFS, better to rely on yourself. Please do some
reading on this topic. Wet/dry will produce measurable nitrate
levels. Here are some suggested readings for you to start with:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/reeffilt.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/reef1.htm Thanks!! Jennifer
<Welcome, -Mich> Re: Ich, Low pH, Low Calcium, Possibly
Elevated Magnesium... skimmer f' 1/21/07 Thanks
for all of you help Mich!!! <Hi Jennifer, You're
welcome!> Got the protein skimmer up and running and I know it's
supposed to have a 24-48 hr break in but within 3 hrs I have dirty water
in the bottom of the skimmer.. YIKES!! <Yep, not surprising.> I
hope that's a good thing! Jennifer <Just like Martha, It's a good
thing... -Mich> Message for Crew Member Chuck Rambo - "I Got
a new tank for Christmas" 1/12/06 <That soils
engineer type told me he put this in my in-folder because it is
"marine"...> I saw your message to Bob about the lack of emails from
newbies that received new tanks for Christmas. Well, "I got a new tank
for Christmas" and we're all newbies in one way or another. <Oh yes>
I am going from a 65 gallon reef to a 75 gallon reef. While the new tank
is only 10 gallons, the extra foot in length should make for a much
nicer setup. 99% of my questions I can answer by reading the daily FAQs
and researching the archives, but when I saw your message to Bob, I
figured I would run a few things by you since I am working on a new
setup. Here's what I plan to do.... Suggestions and criticism are
welcome. - 75 Gallon "reef ready" glass aquarium with stand and
canopy. <Mmm, do take a read on WWM, elsewhere re the
fitting/plumbing of such reef not-so ready set-ups... Companies have
improved the number and size of through-puts, but...> - 440 watts of
VHO with 2 Actinic white and 2 Super Actinic bulbs. 3 moonlights
controlled by a Lunar Tracker. <Okay... but I'd likely switch out
some of the actinic for more white... more functional and aesthetic IMO>
- 30ish (30X16X18) gallon sump/refugium with ASM G-1X skimmer and Mag 18
return pump - Tunze TS07 kit with one 6000 power head and one
controller (on order) - 90 to 130 pounds of live rock depending on
how much makes it look aesthetically pleasing and still be
functional. 80 pounds are in current reef and 50 pounds are curing.
- Shallow sand bed in display and Miracle mud and Chaeto in sump. -
Red Sea 100mg ozonizer and ORP controller - Two 250 watt heaters
I realize that everyone has an opinion but I welcome yours, Bob's, Salty
Dog's, Eric's, Sabrina', Justin's, and any other crew members that care
to offer one. The more ideas/opinions/suggestions one has, the better
the decisions one can make. <Agreed> I currently have 5 fish - 2
black Perculas, 1 Carpenter Fairy Wrasse, 1 Court Jester Goby, and 1
Bicolor Blenny. Corals are LPS and some softies but I would like to
try some SPS like Montipora if possible. Here are the areas where I
appreciate your opinions. Circulation - I had originally planned a
closed loop system with a Mag 24 sump return pump feeding the
loop. However, the quote/unquote "Mega Flow" portion of my
quote/unquote "reef ready" aquarium will only handle 700 gph,
<Yes... if that> or so the propaganda that was attached to the
aquarium claims. I went ahead and plumbed a 1/2 inch PVC loop with four
1/2 outlets that should be able to produce approximately 200 gph from
each nozzle with a Mag 18 after losses. <Sounds about right>
According to what I have read on this site, this will not be enough to
produce the random, turbulent flow I need. <Mmm, no, not by itself>
I am leaving it in place because it will at least disperse the sump
return water more evenly and I ordered the 1850gph Tunze kit to augment
the flow. Do you think this set up will be sufficient to allow me to
tweak and manipulate the flow to meet the needs of Montis? <Yes,
likely so> Also, can you suggest how you would position the Tunze to
get the results needed. <Something of this power... flow rate... by
itself... needs to be mounted up near the surface, on the side, facing
toward the other end... as you will find... surprisingly forceful...>
Refugium - I am currently using Carib Sea Miracle Mud at about a 1.5
inch depth in my refugium. I have been using this for about 3 months
and the main thing that I have noticed is that my skimmate doesn't smell
nearly as bad as it did when I employed a DSB in the refugium. Also,
all the corals look as good or better. So I plan to continue with the
Miracle Mud approach. I have read on this site about mixing and
layering the mud and sand. The mud has some very fine particles and
could use some sand on top to keep it in place. Will a layer of sand on
top of the mud significantly inhibit or slow the release of the trace
elements from the mud? <Mmm, not much, enough to be concerned if
there is sufficient mud period> Can a DSB go on top of the mud and
the benefits of both be realized? <Mmm, better to make two separate
areas here> If so, what are your recommendations for the desired
depth of each? <Posted on WWM.
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/index.htm scroll down...>
This website and the dedication of hobbyists like you and the rest of
the crew are a godsend. You willingly devote your time and efforts to
share knowledge and experience in an effort to help others get the most
enjoyment out of this hobby. <Yep> "If I had only known then
what I know now", I WOULD have tested my water, I WOULD have done water
changes, I would NOT have mixed incompatible species together only to
watch them stress each other until one died, I would NOT have spent $30
on a blood red fire shrimp that only lasted 30 seconds because I also
had a Huma Picasso Triggerfish in the little 65 gallon, <Snack
time!> I would NOT have lost $390 dollars worth of fish because I
didn't quarantine and introduced velvet into my tank, and so on and so
on. I learn something new from this site every day and have had pretty
good success for the past 3 years because of it. <And this scant
knowledge and inspiration coupled with your intelligence and
application...> I am trying to forget the years preceding my
finding this site. Thanks for everything. I promote this site at
every opportunity. P.S. I hope my grammar will past inspection with
a minimal amount of editing on your part. <Heeeee! Better than mine!
Cheers, Bob Fenner>
Conversion...FO To Reef 12/27/06
G'day Crew! <So far, so good, Dan.> I'm currently in the process
of converting a FO aquarium to one that can hold some soft corals such
as corallimorphs, zoanthids and some leather corals, as well as a bubble
tip anemone. <Not a good idea mixing corals with anemones.> My
tank specifications are below It's an AquaOne120 (280 L capacity)
that includes an inbuilt filter/lighting system. The filter sits on top
of the aquarium and contains filter wool, mesh and ceramic noodles. I
have two full spectrum fluorescents and one 10000K Actinic (all 30W). I
also have a hang-on Jebo120 Protein Skimmer that I have modified the
tank to accommodate. Currently my tank holds: 20 kg live rock( I
plan on slowly adding more) 1 Flame Angel 1 Pinstripe Wrasse
<Is known to eat certain types of snails, tubeworms, etc, and requires a
tight fitting lid as it is a jumper.> 1 Valentini puffer <This
guy will eat invertebrates such as found in reef tanks (shrimp, crabs,
etc), and is semi-aggressive toward other fish, often taking bites
out of their fins.> 2 Saddleback Clownfish 4 Green Chromis
Some Corallimorphs, Zoanthids, a head of Duncanopsammia axifuga
containing about 20 polyps, and three bubble tip anemones (I had a large
one that recently divided - I am going to sell two of them). Water
stats read Ammonia = 0, Nitrite = 0 and Nitrate = 20 ppm and everything
is running well as I do a lot of maintenance on it. I have a couple
of questions. Firstly, since I am upgrading my system to take some
more corals I am going to invest in a new filter. I have discussed this
with the guys at my LFS and am leaning towards purchasing a 1200 L/hr
canister filter. I will keep the older filter running too but replace
its media with bio-balls. I know this is an unconventional
configuration, but due to the nature of this aquarium I am really
limited as to what I can do with it. I would like to add several more
fish including a yellow tang, long-nosed hawkfish, midas blenny and
maybe some PJ cardinalfish or a Comet Grouper (Marine Betta), <The
comet won't fit into this scenario, a predator which does not appreciate
bright light such as you will need for your corals. With your other
fish, the tang will grow too large for the size tank you have. Need to
make a choice here.> as well as some more corals. Do you think
this is a workable configuration for what I'd like to achieve? <Yes,
with my exceptions.> Would these stocking levels be too high?
<Yes, if you include all but the betta and puffer.> And is my
lighting going to be ok to sustain the corals I plan on keeping? (soft
corals) Are there any species in particular you would recommend?
<Your 90 watts of lighting isn't going to do the trick. For soft
corals, you will need to be around 350+ watts. You didn't mention the
depth of your tank, so an accurate wattage number cannot be given.>
Thanks in advance! <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Daniel
Re: Conversion.. FO To Reef 1/9/07 Dear Crew, <Dan>
Thanks for the reply to my last email (James) <You're welcome, and
sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Too many things going on right
now.> I've been in consultation with my LFS about changing the
lighting system on my tank. They seem to think that the 90W coming from
my fluorescents should be sufficient to keep these soft corals if I
change the bulbs regularly, say every 6 months. They tell me that the
corals we get here (Australia) are largely collected from deep water.
<How deep is deep? You didn't mention what types of corals so I assumed
so hard corals would be included in your scenario.> They seemed to
think that 350W was a big overkill for keeping soft corals. <Tis, if
that is all one wants.> One other option they did suggest was to
install 4 x 55W power compacts, but that still only gives 220W - not
quite the 350W you suggest. What do you think about this? <Need more
info on the corals you wish to keep.> And one additional piece of
information that you mentioned, my tank has a depth of 20inches.
<OK> Also, you said that a yellow tang would outgrow my 280L (75
gal) system. >From my reading I was under the impression that yellow
tangs are ok in tanks over 55 gal. I will also give the comet a miss,
but FYI the valentini puffer is actually very well behaved and tends to
mind his own business, I may have been lucky in getting a good one!
<You may have. As for the tang, they can attain a length of up to 8"
under aquarium conditions, to me, a little large for a four foot tank,
but for must have aquarists, I wouldn't put one in a tank smaller than
55 gallons. In short, these guys just do better in larger systems.>
Your advice is massively appreciated, you guys to a fantastic job with
your website! <Thank you. James (Salty Dog)> Daniel
Reef Set-up Qs 12/20/06 Good day everyone, (Hoping for an answer
from Bob, Anthony or Steven) <Good day to you Jeremy, Mich with you
tonight. I hope you're not too disappointed.> I think I have
finally confused myself to the point that I'm not sure what I'm doing
any more and have no idea in which direction to proceed. <Hehehe,
yes, I have been there too. Sounds like information overload to
me. Step away from the books, step away from the computer. Slowly
inhale, slowly exhale, repeat.> I've read several books
and a great many of the articles and FAQ on WetWebMedia which I found
very helpful and now I'm hoping for a little personalized advice. <I
shall try.> I have kept reef aquariums for about 7 years and have
kept a wide variety of corals and livestock. <OK> I
set up my initial tank with the advice of my LFS owner and have tried to
educate myself with books and articles to fill in the gaps, but I have
deviated from my initial setup very little. <OK> I
would have to say that my success thus far has been a combination of
blind luck and good advice. <As is often the case.> After moving
cross-country and selling off my tank I am at the point of contemplating
setting up another reef system. <It's like a bad horror
flick that just sucks you back in.> I've spent about a month reading
everything I can get my hands on, but all I've managed to do is
completely confuse myself. <Ah, yes information overload indeed.>
I have most enjoyed keeping LPS corals and mushrooms and polyps and
xenia, I like the movement and the colors and the interesting shapes.
<Yes, lots of beautiful creature fall into these categories.> I also
have always kept an anemone with either a single or mated pair of
clowns. I think I would like to set up a tank geared towards caring for
this type of reef life. <OK> Are any of the above
not compatible in lighting or water condition requirements with each
other? <Mmm, with appropriate placement should be OK together.>
I want to set up a manageable reef tank. I've had 58gal, 110 gal, and175
gal tanks in the past and honestly the 175 was a bit much. I'm thinking
about a 135 gal that is 72Wx18Dx25T.Is there a problem with a tank that
is only 18" deep? <No, easier to setup/maintain in many ways.>
The tanks I've had in the past ran VHO lights on icecap ballasts and I
ran an ecosystem mud filtration system, no skimmer, no refugium, no
other filters. I am planning on running the ecosystem filter again, but
based on the advise of your site will probably add a protein skimmer.
<I would highly recommend a protein skimmer.> Anything else I should
consider? I assume that a deep sand bed is still not recommended with a
mud system? <Are you committed to the mud system? I think a deep
sand bed would be a better choice.> How large should a refugium be
for this size tank? <I think bigger is better in this case. I would
try to get a sump that is as big as I could fit into the stand or what
ever your limiting factor is. I would dedicate a good portion of the
sump to the refugium.> My biggest confusion centers around lighting,
lots has changed since I last set up a tank. I gather that there are
more efficient lighting systems than VHO on the market now.
<VHO is still quite popular.> Knowing what I want to keep, what type
of lighting system would you recommend? PC? Halide? HQI? T-5? I want
something that is going to provide as much lighting as needed, but not
too much. I'd also like something that is not going to break the bank
each month with my electric bill. I'd rather pay a little more up front
to get reduced energy consumption. I like the look of the Current Orbit
lighting systems, but don't know which one would be the most appropriate
or if there is a better solution. What would you use if you were me?
<All could be used. This is really very much a personal choice. Each
lighting possibility/combination has benefits and draw backs. This is
something you really need to figure out for yourself. Many things to
consider.> My last concern is with setting up a
species/region specific tank. I have done the mixed garden type of
setup in the past and I think it would be nice to set up a system more
in keeping with a particular region and stocking fish and coral that
would naturally be found in close proximity to each other. <A good
philosophy.> My only problem is that I don't know enough to know
what regions you would find LPS corals in and what fish would be found
in the same locations. If you were setting up a tank that focused on LPS
corals what region would you base it on and what would you stock it
with? Corals? Fish? Inverts? Anemone? <I think you might enjoy a
book by John H. Tullock. The book is titled Natural Reef Aquariums,
simplified approaches to creating living saltwater microcosms. There are
several chapters dedicated to setting up systems which reflect the wild
reefs of various geographical areas. I think you will find several
corals of your liking in the chapter titled The Gulf of Mexico.>
Sorry for the length of this e-mail, but I really appreciate any help
you are able to provide...thanks...Jeremy <I hope I have been of
assistance. -Mich>
New System In The Works! - 12/06/06
First let me say thanks for establishing this forum for avid salt water
enthusiasts. I’d be remiss it I didn’t also offer a heartfelt thanks to
the WWM team for their expert advice. <And thank you for the kind
words! Scott F. here tonight!> I am a frequent visitor to your
site. I just purchased the Conscientious Marine Aquarist and can’t wait
to read it. I’ll be setting up a 180 gallon reef aquarium. It will
house predominately stony corals, but I have minimal experience with
them. I had a 150 gallon reef tank 6 years ago (my how things change in
a short period of time), but with the exception of a Hammer & Galaxea,
it was stocked with soft corals. Fish will consist of Anthias (unsure
what type: recommendations?), a Scott’s Fairy Wrasse, Chromis or other
dither fish that Anthias associate with (suggestions), 3 tangs: Powder
Blue, Sohal, and Purple, a Blackcap or Dottyback, a pair of shrimp
gobies/pistol shrimp, a pair of cleaner shrimp and later, a Mandarin &
Tridacna clams. <That's quite a big fish load! I'd cut the Tang
choice to one of them- most likely, the Purple Tang. Tangs get quite
large, need significant amounts of physical space (3 would need hundreds
of gallons) and can be aggressive in tight quarters You'll be surprised
how tight 180 gallons can e with 3 tangs!).> I have a 180 gallon
All-Glass stand (24” clearance to tank) and I plan to set-up a 180
gallon acrylic aquarium. I’ve read on your site that if I go acrylic,
I’ll need to place plywood under the entire aquarium. Is it possible to
use additional plywood to “raise” the tank to accommodate an AquaC-240
skimmer without affecting the structural integrity of the stand?
<Well, I think what we're getting here is that you need to make sure
that the tank is on a very level surface for long-term structural
integrity.> I’m also considering a Euro-Reef skimmer since these two
are the models you prefer. Based upon my desires, is the Euro-Reef
worth the extra $? <Yes, they really are. I've used a number of high
end skimmers in my time, including Deltec, Tunze, and Euroreef. I must
say how impressed that I am with my Euroreef! It's simple, well-built,
and amazingly productive. Worth every penny, IMO.> Lighting will
consist of 3 MH (2-175 & 1-250), & two blue actinics for
aesthetics. How high above the water level should the lights be
mounted? <I'd opt for 6 inches or so, myself.> With the Scott's,
should the tank be covered? <You might want to cover the tank- they
are jumpers. At the very least, you could use some eggcrate over the
cutouts for protection.> I will incorporate a Wave2K as well. Would
you recommend 1 center or 2? <I'd start with one, as they are rather
expensive, and you won't know your tank's water movement needs until the
rockwork is set> You’re a proponent of Calcium Reactors. Should it
be set up initially or can it be added later? <Well, it would be
nice to have it set from day one, but you can also use two part
additives (like B-Ionic) or Kalkwasser until you assess your systems
calcium needs.> What do you think of U/V & Ozone? <Both have
their place, but I'd be more inclined to use ozone before UV; I think ti
is more useful for most of us.> I welcome your feedback on this
set-up. I want to do it right the first time and will invest the time,
money & resources necessary to prevent replacing inefficient
equipment later. You can’t put a price on having a piece of the ocean
in your living room!! <Amen to that! Don't skimp on your components.
Get the best ones that you can and think about the long term. Get some
feedback from other hobbyists, and make your choices based on the needs
of your inhabitants.> Thanks again and God Bless you this Christmas!
<You're quite welcome! And the very best to you and yours this holiday
season! Regards, Scott F.>
New Set-Up- New Questions! 11/01/06 Hey crew, <Scott
F. your Crew Member today!> First off let me start by saying, "Thank
you for a great resource on the net!" This place has been a great spot
for all sorts of late night and bathroom reading. <That's why laptop
computers were invented! LOL> I know my question has been answered
in different ways and different places but I want to make sure I am
on the right track. I am setting up a new 55 Gallon reef tank. I have
been out of the saltwater hobby due to grad school for a few years now.
(A yellow tang buys a lot of Raman Noodles!). <And peanut butter!>
I would like to keep corals and the works with this set-up. I used to
run a 38 Gallon set up with only live rock, sand, and a skimmer for my
filters. I just got passed a 55 Gallon tank for me to "play" with. It
came with a Aqua Clear Aquatics Wet/Dry, another Red Sea Skimmer (I have
two now), 75lbs of live sand, and two 48" PC (one 4 x 65W and one 2 x
65W). I also have a 20 Gallon I was going to hook up as a refugium.
<Sounds nice!> First off let me start by telling you the "advice" I
have gotten from my LFS and you tell me if this sounds off to you. Run
the overflow from the 55G to the 20G refugium. Run a skimmer in the
refugium with a heater. Use a pump to pump from the refugium to the
Wet/dry. Use the bio-balls in the wet dry with a carbon filter under the
ball but before the drip pan (seems kind of hard to change the
carbon that way), put the other skimmer in the sump of the wet dry, and
maybe think about putting another heater in the sump before returning to
"super clean" water back to the tank. I also might want to consider
running a 36W UV set up in the refugium as well. Does something seem
over kill here or is it just me?!? <I'd dump the bioballs from the
wet dry. I would also use the carbon "passively" in a media bag just
kept in the sump where water can flow through it and you can easily
access it.> Second, I have read many different things about using a
wet/dry. I have never used one before and am a bit weary of how they
work. I just went and bought 2 gallons of bio balls but now am reading
about how they are useless. Any thoughts? <Well, not useless...They
are actually really efficient. It's just that they tend to accumulate
nitrate over time, which is sort of counterproductive in most reef
systems.> Third, Can you give me a clue as to a R/O system that I
should be looking at. I am in the market because running to the LFS for
water to change every week is a chore (plus you see what I have to deal
with at my LFS as far as advice). Should I be looking at a 3 stage, 4
stage, 6 stage, or hiring a person from the South Pacific to bring me
Fiji water?!? <I have used a Kent "Maxxima" 3 stage RO/DI system for
years with good results. Captive Purity and Spectra Pure are also nice
systems They also have come out with "Sea Water" taken from the
ocean. This is new to me but at 4 gallons for $14 sound like a rip off.
Any truth to the claims that it is the best things around since frozen
brine shrimp?!? <Well, it can be useful, but there are so many good
brands of synthetic salt mixes out there that it seems more economical
to buy a good RO/DI unit and a quality salt mix. Over time, this will be
just fine, IMO.> Fourth, (I know I have met my three question quota
for the day but bear with me.) What are your thoughts on UV lights? My
last saltwater set up got a plague of green hair algae before I took it
down a few years ago. I fought that stuff for about a year before it
finally got the better of me. I have read conflicting reports on if a UV
set up works but I would also hate to deal with algae ever again.
<Well, algae is a reality; we have to live with some of it. Nutrient
export (i.e.; water changes, use of chemical filtration media and
overall good husbandry techniques) are the key to combating nuisance
algae. UV has it's place, but I've never used it much and I would rather
invest my money elsewhere.> Ok that is about all I got for this
session. Thank you so much for your help to all of us new (and starting
out again) in the hobby. Brandon Gray <Best of luck to you,
Brandon! Regards, Scott F.>
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